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[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Your response makes absolutely zero sense. The entire idea behind synthesis is that coexistence is impossible between synthetics and organics. That's like resolving the differences between blacks and whites by making everyone mulatto. Noone truly learns anything, they're just now the same.

clearly you need to watch the EC synthesis scene again...thats not the case

If there are no longer synthetics and organics, how the **** can they coexist? Here's a definition for coexist-
2. To live in peace with another or others despite differences
Getting rid of differences cannot lead to coexistence. It's simply existence then.

wow dude youre just nerd raging and making no sense...every individual keeps their individuality...no one was huskified making them the same...

[frylock23]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The notion is authoritarian. That falls on both sides of the political line.

However, if you believe that people are not inherently equal because of "X", you are on the right side of the political line.

Socialism isn't much better though. It too is forced.

Sure, if you're thinking along the European political axis of left-right.

[Sylvianus]

Jamie9 wrote...


I agree with you. Unfortunately, every ending has Shepard like this.

Destroy - Oh? Guess you don't think synthetics are equal?

This isn't at all what destroy is about. This isn't because you think that synthetics suck or aren't equal that they are destroyed, that's because it's only a  consequence if we choose to destroy the reapers. When shepard decides to save the galaxy while killing 300 000 batarians, did you think that's because they aren't equal ?

No, shep did what he needed to do with the infortunate costs to save the galaxy.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 juin 2012 - 03:24 .

[Jamie9]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I agree with you. Unfortunately, every ending has Shepard like this.

Destroy - Oh? Guess you don't think synthetics are equal?

Control - The Reapers are synthetic. Not equal?

Synthesis - They have to be more similar. Guess they couldn't get along, eh?

Refuse - They all die.

I believe organics and synthetics can co-exist peacefully without synthesis. That's not why I picked it, even if the Catalyst thinks that. He's wrong.

Off topic: And this is exactly why I still can't like the ending, we can't escape from these assumptions.

Yep. But the endings are satisfying enough for me that I can look past it.

In the synthesis ending, organics and synthetics are co-existing. I like to think that this is less because of their DNA, and more because they want to build a better future, and recognise that future is better together.

Wow, that sounded stupid. Oh, well. 

[Taboo]

My education in politics was Eastern. Western politics cover a VERY small area of the political spectrum.

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

If there are no longer synthetics and organics, how the **** can they coexist? Here's a definition for coexist-
2. To live in peace with another or others despite differences
Getting rid of differences cannot lead to coexistence. It's simply existence then.

wow dude youre just nerd raging and making no sense...every individual keeps their individuality...no one was huskified making them the same...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

[jla0644]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The notion is authoritarian. That falls on both sides of the political line.

However, if you believe that people are not inherently equal because of "X", you are on the right side of the political line.

Socialism isn't much better though. It too is forced.

Well, at the point that you made that post, no one had said anything about equality, so I'm not sure why you're making the distinction now. And even if they had, I still disagree. The belief that people are not inherently equal has never been exclusive to the right. People are far too enamored with the right/left dichotomy.

But we are now in danger of derailing the thread. /tangent

[Jamie9]

Sylvianus wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...


I agree with you. Unfortunately, every ending has Shepard like this.

Destroy - Oh? Guess you don't think synthetics are equal?

This isn't at all what destroy is about. This isn't because you think that synthetics suck or aren't equal that they are destroyed, that's because it's only a  consequence if we choose to destroy the reapers. When shepard decides to save the galaxy while killing 300 000 batarians, did you think that's because they aren't equal ?

No, shep did what he needed to do with the infortunate costs to save the galaxy.

I know, you certainly don't have to think that.

It's the way it's presented. It makes the synthetics seen inferior. Sure, I'll kill all AI and the Reapers. Collateral. Oh well... 

It's the way it's presented, not what the player believes.

[alienatedflea]

Jamie9 wrote...

Yep. But the endings are satisfying enough for me that I can look past it.

In the synthesis ending, organics and synthetics are co-existing. I like to think that this is less because of their DNA, and more because they want to build a better future, and recognise that future is better together.

Wow, that sounded stupid. Oh, well. 

I, too, like to think that the co-existence is less because of their DNA, and more because if you can take away an organic's natural irrationality and a synthetic's cold calculated rigid ways...then you can also find harmony...

[NeecHMonkeY]

Thornne wrote...

It must be something in the water then, because everyone is smiling, and there is not one soul that appears to be freaked out by the instantaneous galaxy-wide transformation of all life.

Except maybe that first husk. That still cracks me up.

That's kinda the point though... after Synthesis happens, they wouldn't freak out about it because they would all have an understanding of exactly what has happened and know that it took everyone to a higher level of existence.

As for the husk, he's probably just surprised that he can think at all and is no longer a mindless drone. :-p

[Jamie9]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

Yes, and no. They are more similar now, but still retain difference.

[Taboo]

There are two sides on the left and two side on the right. Authoritarian and Libertarian. The political compass espouses that personal freedom is valued more on the right, while freedom for all is on the left.

Nelson Mandela is on the bottom left, libertarian side. Ayn Rand is on the bottom right libertarian side.

They are NOT the same.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 juin 2012 - 03:31 .

[Tealjaker94]

Jamie9 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

Yes, and no. They are more similar now, but still retain difference.

 
You're missing the point. Synthesis prevents synthetic-organic conflict by making everyone a hybrid. In this case the cure is worse than the disease.

[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

If there are no longer synthetics and organics, how the **** can they coexist? Here's a definition for coexist-
2. To live in peace with another or others despite differences
Getting rid of differences cannot lead to coexistence. It's simply existence then.

wow dude youre just nerd raging and making no sense...every individual keeps their individuality...no one was huskified making them the same...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

[GreyLycanTrope]

Taboo-XX wrote...

My education in politics was Eastern. Western politics cover a VERY small area of the political spectrum.

Off topic but very true.

[Taboo]

alienatedflea wrote...

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

By...FORCE.

This is the diffence.

[DRTJR]

From 1:50 on

[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

Yes, and no. They are more similar now, but still retain difference.

 
You're missing the point. Synthesis prevents synthetic-organic conflict by making everyone a hybrid. In this case the cure is worse than the disease.

Hybrid -  "person or group of persons produced by the interaction or crossbreeding of two unlike cultures, traditions, etc. "

if thats what you mean then isnt that co-existences/\\?

Modifié par alienatedflea, 29 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

You're no longer even countering my points. Are organics and synthetics not the same hybrid thingy now?

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

It seems neither of us is making any progress in convincing the other. You see a utopia, I see something like 1984 or Brave New World. Oh well.

[PsyrenY]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Thornne wrote...

It must be something in the water then, because everyone is smiling, and there is not one soul that appears to be freaked out by the instantaneous galaxy-wide transformation of all life.

Except maybe that first husk. That still cracks me up.

That's kinda the point though... after Synthesis happens, they wouldn't freak out about it because they would all have an understanding of exactly what has happened and know that it took everyone to a higher level of existence.

As for the husk, he's probably just surprised that he can think at all and is no longer a mindless drone. :-p

Ordinary people WOULD probably be freaked out, yeah.

But by the time people are synthesized, they are anything but ordinary, so the shock is easily buffered.

[alienatedflea]

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

By...FORCE.

This is the diffence.

you imply force was not legitimate? consented? or whatever?

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Yes, and no. They are more similar now, but still retain difference.

 
You're missing the point. Synthesis prevents synthetic-organic conflict by making everyone a hybrid. In this case the cure is worse than the disease.

Hybrid -  "person or group of persons produced by the interaction or crossbreeding of two unlike cultures, traditions, etc. "

if thats what you mean then isnt that co-existences/?

No. As I said in a previous post, you don't get blacks and whites to coexist by making everyone mulatto.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Ordinary people WOULD probably be freaked out, yeah.

But by the time people are synthesized, they are anything but ordinary, so the shock is easily buffered.

So it gets into your head? That's not a comforting thought, though it explains why everyone was smiling.

[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Yes, and no. They are more similar now, but still retain difference.

 
You're missing the point. Synthesis prevents synthetic-organic conflict by making everyone a hybrid. In this case the cure is worse than the disease.

Hybrid -  "person or group of persons produced by the interaction or crossbreeding of two unlike cultures, traditions, etc. "

if thats what you mean then isnt that co-existences/?

No. As I said in a previous post, you don't get blacks and whites to coexist by making everyone mulatto.

you only saw crossbreeding...you missed that other word...INTERACTION!...I saw a lot of that in the Civil Rights Movement between blacks and whites...and in the game, among synthetics and organics...but clearly you dont want to see anyway but your way...

[Taboo]

alienatedflea wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

By...FORCE.

This is the diffence.

you imply force was not legitimate? consented? or whatever?

Of course it's by force. You have forced people to come to an understanding. That's what Synthesis does.

What the hell are you trying to argue?