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[BiffBuffington]

Reapers had galaxy spanning relay network, so synthesis is restricted to Milky Way. What happpens when threat from neighboring galaxies arrive and is resistant to being synthesized?

[Reptilian Rob]

BiffBuffington wrote...

Reapers had galaxy spanning relay network, so synthesis is restricted to Milky Way. What happpens when threat from neighboring galaxies arrive and is resistant to being synthesized?

Sex, lots and lots of nasty ass sex. 

PEACE THROUGH SEXY!

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

No. As I said in a previous post, you don't get blacks and whites to coexist by making everyone mulatto.

you only saw crossbreeding...you missed that other word...INTERACTION!...I saw a lot of that in the Civil Rights Movement between blacks and whites...and in the game, among synthetics and organics...but clearly you dont want to see anyway but your way...

Synthesis is not an interaction but an alteration at the genetic level. It's much more similar to crossbreeding than an intellectual exchange.

[Dusen]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with synthesis. I can hear the new wonders now!

"I lost my wife in the war. The reapers killed her, impaled her on their dragon's teeth and then turned her into a rotting, grotesque abomination we used to call a husk. . . but thanks to green space magic she's family again! Oh honey, you're leaking bodily fluid out of that hole in your abdomin."

What a utopic dream!

[BiffBuffington]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

BiffBuffington wrote...

Reapers had galaxy spanning relay network, so synthesis is restricted to Milky Way. What happpens when threat from neighboring galaxies arrive and is resistant to being synthesized?

Sex, lots and lots of nasty ass sex. 

PEACE THROUGH SEXY!

Stop being cloaca.

[zambot]

People take synthesis waaaaay too seriously. Rape? really people...chill out.

Synthesis is magic and rainbows! It can pretty much mean whatever you want it to mean!

[C9316]

Synthesis is completely wrong because it goes against the themes of diversity in Mass Effect and how it brings unity. You basically end up doing the Reaper's job for them because in a way by making everyone more or less the same through synthesis you remove the so called chaos of organic life, and it is that same chaos which drives life forward, the conflict that we face in life is indeed worth it when we advance on our terms, and this ending just takes all that away. At this point I can only imagine the world experiencing stagnation after the initial honeymoon period.

[Lili Dragunova]

Oh joy, another one of these topics.

Now if only I had the link for that "destroy" banner...

Modifié par Lili Dragunova, 29 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[GeoFukari]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

BiffBuffington wrote...

Reapers had galaxy spanning relay network, so synthesis is restricted to Milky Way. What happpens when threat from neighboring galaxies arrive and is resistant to being synthesized?

Sex, lots and lots of nasty ass sex. 

PEACE THROUGH SEXY!

We'll bang okay?

No, but yes, this is a serious thing. You get peace though forceful understanding. But when other Galaxies decide to drop by.... They have a different agenda, Do you think THEY should be forced into thinking the way you forced everyone else to?

[darkiddd]

Synthesis is stupid and it gets even more stupid when you see everyone is fine with it. Yay for mind**** to everyone.

If they are all fine with it then there are more things wrong with synthesis than I had just thought. You've have basically killed everyone and who they were to accept the change.

[Dusen]

Since we're using the "by force" perspective for sythesis let's look at this example:

You have two children who always fight each other. Now which is the better conclusion?
1) You teach the two to respect each other and that violence is wrong to the point that they understand and neither one fights the other again
-or-
2) You tie them both to chairs and brainwash them against their wills into agreeing with your pacifist mindset

[Tealjaker94]

Lili Dragunova wrote...

Oh joy, another one of these topics.

Now if only I had the link for that "destroy" banner...

Here you go.
http://img846.images...88/bannersr.jpg

[chuckles471]

miracleofsound wrote...

It is quite clear from the slides that synthesis leaves each race and even each individual with their own identity and diversity. Krogan build back their blocky megastructures (and are clearly still able to reproduce organically and naturally), Quarians rebuild their slick, linear Rannoch cities, humans co-operate to rebuild earth... everyone on the Normandy clearly retains their individual personalities.

From what I can see, all it does is link everyone together in a subtle way that gives greater understanding and acceptance of their differences - almost like it just shares the collective knowledge and memory of the many previous cycles with everyone. The green tech effect could almost be seen as a metaphor for this gentle unity - at least that's how I see it.

When people complain about synthesis being exactly what Saren wanted, I feel they are missing the point, no? 

Would you want everyone to know your internet history?
Synthesis is sickening, my thoughts are mine and mine alone.  If I had my own mind after it, I would sucide bomb a reaper.

[GeoFukari]

Dusen wrote...

Since we're using the "by force" perspective for sythesis let's look at this example:

You have two children who always fight each other. Now which is the better conclusion?
1) You teach the two to respect each other and that violence is wrong to the point that they understand and neither one fights the other again
-or-
2) You tie them both to chairs and brainwash them against their wills into agreeing with your pacifist mindset

But, we already did 1. The Geth/Quarian mission remember?

2 is pretty much what Synthesis is.

[Sisterofshane]

C9316 wrote...

Synthesis is completely wrong because it goes against the themes of diversity in Mass Effect and how it brings unity. You basically end up doing the Reaper's job for them because in a way by making everyone more or less the same through synthesis you remove the so called chaos of organic life, and it is that same chaos which drives life forward, the conflict that we face in life is indeed worth it when we advance on our terms, and this ending just takes all that away. At this point I can only imagine the world experiencing stagnation after the initial honeymoon period.

This, QFT.

After society is rebuilt, and everyone has achieved "immortality", what is next?  What challenges come after that to keep society advancing?

As to the OP, it is homogeneity.  EDI even says so - she says the lines between "synthetic" and "organic" blur.  Eventually they will reach a point where there is no line.  You have taken two distinct forms of life and removed what made them distinuishable.

The point that they retain their "individual" personalities for the time being is irrelevant.

Modifié par Sisterofshane, 29 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Dusen]

GeoFukari wrote...

Dusen wrote...

Since we're using the "by force" perspective for sythesis let's look at this example:

You have two children who always fight each other. Now which is the better conclusion?
1) You teach the two to respect each other and that violence is wrong to the point that they understand and neither one fights the other again
-or-
2) You tie them both to chairs and brainwash them against their wills into agreeing with your pacifist mindset

But, we already did 1. The Geth/Quarian mission remember?

2 is pretty much what Synthesis is.

That's just the point though, we already have shown that it is possible and I'm showing that it is the better option, yet Shepard doesn't bring it up in front of the catalyst. My metaphor was pointing out that synthesis doesn't actually solve any problems as it is far too drastic and doesn't directly attack the problem. It is effectively taking the easy way out to avoid truly productive decisions which is instead more troublesome and leaves us with far more problems than before. It would be like trying to stop an infection in the arm by amputating that arm. Sure the problem doesn't directly affect you anymore but did you really solve the problem? . . .and at what cost?
 
. . .just my thoughts on synthesis anyways.

Modifié par Dusen, 29 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[KingZayd]

GeoFukari wrote...

Dusen wrote...

Since we're using the "by force" perspective for sythesis let's look at this example:

You have two children who always fight each other. Now which is the better conclusion?
1) You teach the two to respect each other and that violence is wrong to the point that they understand and neither one fights the other again
-or-
2) You tie them both to chairs and brainwash them against their wills into agreeing with your pacifist mindset

But, we already did 1. The Geth/Quarian mission remember?

2 is pretty much what Synthesis is.

and 1 was working.

People who chose Synthesis must clearly think 1) isn't enough.

[alienatedflea]

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

By...FORCE.

This is the diffence.

you imply force was not legitimate? consented? or whatever?

Of course it's by force. You have forced people to come to an understanding. That's what Synthesis does.

What the hell are you trying to argue?

my point is that shepard was given consent by everyone the whole time....is it still force when everyone trusted shepard to do the right thing?  REMEMEBER no one knew what the catalyst does before the end.  The simple fact that the civilizations of the galaxy wanted shepard to lead the fight to retake earth and the fact that they protected shepard all the way to the transporter beams says alot.  Shepard was the candidate to activate the crucible and when we learned about our options, we decided with implied consent with everyone in the galaxy...Much like in politics when you elect a representative...they will do/vote for what you deem is the "greater" good.

Your arguement is flawed.

Modifié par alienatedflea, 29 juin 2012 - 10:43 .

[alienatedflea]

KingZayd wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Dusen wrote...

Since we're using the "by force" perspective for sythesis let's look at this example:

You have two children who always fight each other. Now which is the better conclusion?
1) You teach the two to respect each other and that violence is wrong to the point that they understand and neither one fights the other again
-or-
2) You tie them both to chairs and brainwash them against their wills into agreeing with your pacifist mindset

But, we already did 1. The Geth/Quarian mission remember?

2 is pretty much what Synthesis is.

and 1 was working.

People who chose Synthesis must clearly think 1) isn't enough.

so forcing AI individuality is fine and peace but not synthesis...yea okay

[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

No. As I said in a previous post, you don't get blacks and whites to coexist by making everyone mulatto.

you only saw crossbreeding...you missed that other word...INTERACTION!...I saw a lot of that in the Civil Rights Movement between blacks and whites...and in the game, among synthetics and organics...but clearly you dont want to see anyway but your way...

Synthesis is not an interaction but an alteration at the genetic level. It's much more similar to crossbreeding than an intellectual exchange.

alternation...sure but also interaction as well...its not crossbreeding...dude...if thats the case, you crossbreed everyday when youre at school/college? >.< 

[TudorWolf]

With Synthesis, I always got the feeling that the "technorganic" idea was something they were always heading towards, just look at "even you are partly synthetic" Shepard. When you pick that option, you're just catalyzing that process. The point was, the galaxy is ready for this, as the best epilogue spells out (there are variations that aren't so positive of course)

The homogenization argument was always ridiculous, but the catalyst's dialogue on the option is still stupid

[Jamie9]

MY GOD! EVERY BODY RETAINS PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES. I DID NOT CHOOSE SYNTHESIS BECAUSE I DISTRUST SYNTHETICS. I CHOSE IT SO THAT ORGANICS CAN EXPERIENCE SYNTHETIC'S POV, AND SYNTHETICS CAN EXPERIENCE ORGANICS' POV.

THEY CHOOSE TO STOP CONFLICT, I AREN'T FORCING IT.

MY. GOD.

/rant over

[Tibbur]

BiffBuffington wrote...

Reapers had galaxy spanning relay network, so synthesis is restricted to Milky Way. What happpens when threat from neighboring galaxies arrive and is resistant to being synthesized?

Take them to illum and the azure for free thatl shut em up

[Forbry]

TudorWolf wrote...

With Synthesis, I always got the feeling that the "technorganic" idea was something they were always heading towards, just look at "even you are partly synthetic" Shepard. When you pick that option, you're just catalyzing that process. The point was, the galaxy is ready for this, as the best epilogue spells out (there are variations that aren't so positive of course)

The homogenization argument was always ridiculous, but the catalyst's dialogue on the option is still stupid

Agreed

[Forbry]

alienatedflea wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

I dont know...It appears that because of synthesis, we put our differences aside...even tho we are a step closer to being the same

By...FORCE.

This is the diffence.

you imply force was not legitimate? consented? or whatever?

Of course it's by force. You have forced people to come to an understanding. That's what Synthesis does.

What the hell are you trying to argue?

my point is that shepard was given consent by everyone the whole time....is it still force when everyone trusted shepard to do the right thing?  REMEMEBER no one knew what the catalyst does before the end.  The simple fact that the civilizations of the galaxy wanted shepard to lead the fight to retake earth and the fact that they protected shepard all the way to the transporter beams says alot.  Shepard was the candidate to activate the crucible and when we learned about our options, we decided with implied consent with everyone in the galaxy...Much like in politics when you elect a representative...they will do/vote for what you deem is the "greater" good.

Your arguement is flawed.

Agreed, totally.