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[Gogzilla]

Siansonea II wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

In the original version no one knew WTF synthesis was so like whatever right.

In the EC you get a better sense of whats happening to the galaxy post-synthesis.

However still
When it comes to synthesis people entirely miss the point.
All i hear is rhetoric.

And what is this point we're all missing, O Enlightened One? 

That depends entirely on you, <_<
I am unfamilar with what exactly your views on the matter are. I would rather not assume as my statement was meant to be taken generally.

If you think synthesis is peace,utopia,slavery,homogenity or something of the like then you missed the point.
if you think its unethical and infringes on our views on liberites, they yhea your right.
If you think its space magic , then yhea your mostly right i guess. You can headcannon some of it to make sense.

If your going try to spin arguments arround how it can't be the "final evolution"  or someother over analysed line like "I am alive", may i suggest a less literal examination or revlauation of semantics and consider the changing persepective of charecters.

This what i think anyway, so please dicuss if you wish and not just becuase you happen to think i am wrong and here is why.

[Siansonea]

Gogzilla wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

In the original version no one knew WTF synthesis was so like whatever right.

In the EC you get a better sense of whats happening to the galaxy post-synthesis.

However still
When it comes to synthesis people entirely miss the point.
All i hear is rhetoric.

And what is this point we're all missing, O Enlightened One? 

That depends entirely on you, <_<
I am unfamilar with what exactly your views on the matter are. I would rather not assume as my statement was meant to be taken generally.

If you think synthesis is peace,utopia,slavery,homogenity or something of the like then you missed the point.
if you think its unethical and infringes on our views on liberites, they yhea your right.
If you think its space magic , then yhea your mostly right i guess. You can headcannon some of it to make sense.

If your going try to spin arguments arround how it can't be the "final evolution"  or someother over analysed line like "I am alive", may i suggest a less literal examination or revlauation of semantics and consider the changing persepective of charecters.

This what i think anyway, so please dicuss if you wish and not just becuase you happen to think i am wrong and here is why.

Ah, then we are of one mind on this subject. Sythesis is heinous, but because it's marketed in-game as the Sunshine And Bunny Rabbits Ending, and because it's the feel good Joker Gets His Sex Doll ending, people gloss over the ethical implications of it, and the fact that you've essentially wiped out all life in the galaxy and replaced it with something else. Changing all living things on a genetic level without their consent goes beyond "questionable", as far as I'm concerned.

[Bladedrummer]

Siansonea II wrote...

Bladedrummer wrote...

My personal opinion.

The only homogeneity is in sentiment. Each individual appears as if they still hold true to their own identity, but as an added bonus they share in the same pool of perception of one another. They gain pure empathy. They are in many ways part of the same thing AND they now know it and feel it, hence they have no interest in hurting each other as it would, quite literally, be like hurting themselves.

Basically the focus has shifted from trying to gain the most benefit for each individual, planet, race, galaxy or faction to a more universal gain for all civilizations as a whole. "We are all in this together as one". Each individual works towards the infamous "common good" which results in changes for the better for everyone. Example: Geth and Quarians help each other rebuild the world that they had previously destroyed by being at war.

To me, this is a good thing.

Sounds like Borg assimilation to me.

Yeah, Borgs are known for their empathy...

To me, synthesis in the ME3 ending simply means you share a common ground, through DNA, that allows you not to perceive other species as a threat. No threat, no fear, no misunderstandings, no war, life gets better for everyone, period.

Each individual retains free will. The reason individuals work together instead of waging war like before is because now they fully understand each other so there is no need to argue, everyone sees how it's counterproductive to the galaxies' goals.

[Gogzilla]

Bladedrummer wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Bladedrummer wrote...

My personal opinion.

The only homogeneity is in sentiment. Each individual appears as if they still hold true to their own identity, but as an added bonus they share in the same pool of perception of one another. They gain pure empathy. They are in many ways part of the same thing AND they now know it and feel it, hence they have no interest in hurting each other as it would, quite literally, be like hurting themselves.

Basically the focus has shifted from trying to gain the most benefit for each individual, planet, race, galaxy or faction to a more universal gain for all civilizations as a whole. "We are all in this together as one". Each individual works towards the infamous "common good" which results in changes for the better for everyone. Example: Geth and Quarians help each other rebuild the world that they had previously destroyed by being at war.

To me, this is a good thing.

Sounds like Borg assimilation to me.

Yeah, Borgs are known for their empathy...

To me, synthesis in the ME3 ending simply means you share a common ground, through DNA, that allows you not to perceive other species as a threat. No threat, no fear, no misunderstandings, no war, life gets better for everyone, period.

No ammount of technology will change "Human nature", that choice has to be made by each and every individual.
Sythesis would only help facilitate it does not write your futuer for you.

Each individual retains free will. The reason individuals work together instead of waging war like before is because now they fully understand each other so there is no need to argue, everyone sees how it's counterproductive to the galaxies' goals.

Understanding alone will not change reality, conflict often arises for justified reasons.

Modifié par Gogzilla, 30 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[Elite Midget]

That change wasn't subtle and that's just the beginning. Eventually they will all become very similar looking that utilizes a form that best helps all the races. There's no point in being different anymore, especially since they can now freely alter/upgrade themselves and aren't tied so strictly to the laws of organic life anymore.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 30 juin 2012 - 09:25 .

[Gogzilla]

Siansonea II wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Gogzilla wrote...

In the original version no one knew WTF synthesis was so like whatever right.

In the EC you get a better sense of whats happening to the galaxy post-synthesis.

However still
When it comes to synthesis people entirely miss the point.
All i hear is rhetoric.

And what is this point we're all missing, O Enlightened One? 

That depends entirely on you, <_<
I am unfamilar with what exactly your views on the matter are. I would rather not assume as my statement was meant to be taken generally.

If you think synthesis is peace,utopia,slavery,homogenity or something of the like then you missed the point.
if you think its unethical and infringes on our views on liberites, they yhea your right.
If you think its space magic , then yhea your mostly right i guess. You can headcannon some of it to make sense.

If your going try to spin arguments arround how it can't be the "final evolution"  or someother over analysed line like "I am alive", may i suggest a less literal examination or revlauation of semantics and consider the changing persepective of charecters.

This what i think anyway, so please dicuss if you wish and not just becuase you happen to think i am wrong and here is why.

Ah, then we are of one mind on this subject. Sythesis is heinous, but because it's marketed in-game as the Sunshine And Bunny Rabbits Ending, and because it's the feel good Joker Gets His Sex Doll ending, people gloss over the ethical implications of it, and the fact that you've essentially wiped out all life in the galaxy and replaced it with something else. Changing all living things on a genetic level without their consent goes beyond "questionable", as far as I'm concerned.

If you would indulge me i pose a question.

I am going to assume that your are of the view that all the endings are morally twisted.

On that notion do you think regecting those options and choosing to die trying as in refuse or fighting a conventional war and winning, is not, any more or less morally twisted ?

Not that i am trying to make a statement but i am trying to gauge what is a morraly acceptable end to the reaper war

In my understanding war is never about the ideal situation.

[Bladedrummer]

Gogzilla wrote...

Bladedrummer wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Bladedrummer wrote...

My personal opinion.

The only homogeneity is in sentiment. Each individual appears as if they still hold true to their own identity, but as an added bonus they share in the same pool of perception of one another. They gain pure empathy. They are in many ways part of the same thing AND they now know it and feel it, hence they have no interest in hurting each other as it would, quite literally, be like hurting themselves.

Basically the focus has shifted from trying to gain the most benefit for each individual, planet, race, galaxy or faction to a more universal gain for all civilizations as a whole. "We are all in this together as one". Each individual works towards the infamous "common good" which results in changes for the better for everyone. Example: Geth and Quarians help each other rebuild the world that they had previously destroyed by being at war.

To me, this is a good thing.

Sounds like Borg assimilation to me.

Yeah, Borgs are known for their empathy...

To me, synthesis in the ME3 ending simply means you share a common ground, through DNA, that allows you not to perceive other species as a threat. No threat, no fear, no misunderstandings, no war, life gets better for everyone, period.

No ammount of technology will change "Human nature", that choice has to be made by each and every individual.
Sythesis would only help facilitate it does not write your futuer for you.

Each individual retains free will. The reason individuals work together instead of waging war like before is because now they fully understand each other so there is no need to argue, everyone sees how it's counterproductive to the galaxies' goals.

Understanding alone will not change reality, conflict often arises for justified reasons.

Synthesis doesn't change the nature of humans, at all.

Understanding why someone believes something will bring open conflict to resolution. Imagine if I could know and feel exactly what you know and feel. It would be way easier for us to reach an understanding on any matter and most certainly we would probably see that violence would not help either of us.