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[Mcfly616]

The extended cut endings were brilliant....period

Modifié par Mcfly616, 29 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Miezul_Carpatin]

shurikenmanta wrote...


Easy. Do the Control ending. That's a happy ending and I felt like a total boss.

I think the problem is that a 'happy ending' is fairly subjective. To truly provide an option for a universal happy ending, the team would have to craft a special personalised ending for each player, which as we all know is pretty unrealistic.

I too am a fan of control. However others have raised interesting points such as the reapers still existing and the possibility for the cycle to start again sometime in the future which is why it still feels like a very forced victory. Imagine after the war that not everybody will be pleased with the reapers being in the galaxy. Some maybe will try to destroy them. What happens then? They retaliate and everyone dies or they retreat in dark space. But at some point the conflict between organics and synthetics may start again and the reapers will have to intervene and the cycle will start again.

[Forbry]

Bfler wrote...

Forbry wrote...

....

I think this statement is so off the grid! If you want a game that exactly suited your needs and wishes, make your own! Of course, this is still Bioware's story! Don't like it? Well, don't buy/play it! Bioware already did more than enough to please the fans! I think a lot of people here took "this is your story" WAY to literally!

So you can also say that if you are not satisfied with your government then go and build your own country.It is simply not possible. I also can't build my own game, so I depend on them. You know that.
And I don't know it is in Bioware's interest if a lot of people say: "I don't like it. Ok, then I will buy a game from another developer." 

Of course most of us can't make their own game and of course, I knew that when I wrote that. Wasn't trying to offend you and I'm sorry if I did.
But still I think, as I already said, you (and many others) haven taken the "this is your story" way to literally. I feel for you, that you (and others) didn't get what you want, but still, maybe from now on, you schould play other games then. Apparently, this is how Bióware wanted to end the game, so you just have to accept that and if, in the end, it's not in their own interest, well then... they have to accept thát!
I think Bioware already tried to compromise with disappointed fans by giving them the EC!

[Syokhan]

I would have wanted this to be an option, yes.

I didn't want this to be the default ending, but something you had to work really hard to achieve, just as you had to make the right choices throughout the whole game whenever you talked with the Illusive Man in order to be able to make that final paragon/renegade check at the end of the game. Or just as you had to make the right decisions in ME2+3 in order to achieve peace between the Geth and the Quarians. This felt like an accomplishment to me, the result of my actions, and it was incredibly satisfying even though I just watched a friend sacrifice himself. Same thing for the Genophage plot.

After ME2, whenever I thought about how ME3 would end, that's actually what I would envision. A paragon ending, a renegade ending, a bad ending, and a few more in-between, all resulting from the choices you had made throughout the games.

I mean, ME1 did the "victory against all odds" + "sort of uplifting ride into the sunset" ending, you could do it with ME2 as well, why not with ME3? That's part of the reason I felt so disconnected from the ME3 endings, because the pattern changed completely and it threw me off.

And for those who insist on there being sacrifices, well in the best of cases billions have already died, some of your friends have died for the cause, Khar'shan and Thessia fall no matter what, Earth has been devastated, shouldn't that be enough?

That's my view on the subject anyway.

Modifié par Syokhan, 29 juin 2012 - 08:39 .

[warlock22]

shurikenmanta wrote...


Easy. Do the Control ending. That's a happy ending and I felt like a total boss.

I think the problem is that a 'happy ending' is fairly subjective. To truly provide an option for a universal happy ending, the team would have to craft a special personalised ending for each player, which as we all know is pretty unrealistic.

I've been all over the forms, HTL, Retake and from what I've seen, Almost everyone wants a ending where Shepard is alive and reunites with their LI and crew. That seems to be the universal happy ending people want (me as well), and that wouldn't be hard to do. Most people (my self included) would be willing to pay for an ending like this, provided they put time and effort into it. Have dialogue and dialogue choices between Shepard and LI as well as crew and have in game cinematic's instead of a picture slide show. I would gladly pay for that, and I'm not sure why some people including BW are worried or dont want BW to have this ending because it would be cannon and most people would choose it. Well because thats what most people wanted/were expecting.

[Jackums]

No. That would be a horrible ending and would make moot the other endings for most people. The majority, seemingly, already go with Destroy because it potentially allows Shepard to reunite with his/her LI. Put this fairy tale ending in and say goodbye to any of the other choices receiving substantial attention. And lol at a conventional victory being possible versus the Reapers. Way to retcon everything that's already been established about their military power.

mechalynx wrote...

I wouldn't. Not one big fat happy
ending at least. I wouldn't be able to buy it at all. The fact that I
had to choose between saving Shepard and saving the synthetics made the
destroy option that much harder and more meaningful. There has to be a
downside that has not already occurred, like the deaths of Mordin and
Thane.

Shepard reuninting with his/her main squeeze? **** yeah!
But I should be able to feel that that happiness came at a price.

+1

I'm pro-Control and I'd have been happy with seeing a holographic Shep talk to his crew.

Modifié par JackumsD, 29 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[Forbry]

Miezul_Carpatin wrote...

Forbry wrote...

I agree with your opinion about the artistic value of happy and sad endings, but if Bioware díd chose to let Shepard live happily ever after, I would have accepted that as well, because it is Bioware's story, not mine.

So if the Crucible were a giant banana and the Catalyst was Donald Duck you would accept it because it is "their" story? Really man, big companies make lower quality games because of this attitude "Yeah it's their game, I can't do anything about it, I just play what I get". People should be outraged by average products and should strive for better and better games that can please everybody. Of course they will make **** games if nobody complains about it.

First of all, the ending was not thát outrageous, There were people who liked the ending already in the first place (like me) and there are a lot of people who like the ending now. Secondly, yes I would accept that. I would be very surprised and probably very disappointed, but a) only about the end, not about the series as a whole  I wouldn't have bought/played the next game and thát would/could make them strive for better/other products. What done is done and I make my future decisions based on that (negative or positive) experience.

[Mcfly616]

I could care less if he reunited.....even.when the original.endings.were what we had, it was never a reunion that was the problem...therefore the lack of one does not effect the quality of the EC....

I hated the original endings...

But I'm not going to sugar coat it....EC explained everything, and it gave closure......EC did its job superbly......people are really pathetic for saying blatant lies that the EC is bad, simply in spite of the fact that they didn't get their lame ass Cinderella ending....

Waaaaah wah waaaaah.......lil troll babies....just.complaining for the sake of complaining

[Rucent]

I'd pay real money to be so easily appeased as some people are.

[Bivo]

Allan Schumacher wrote...



Just to be direct though:  Why should this be an option for the refusal ending.  Or even more generally, why should there be an ending that contains the following:

Shepard Lives, reapers defeated by conventional means, Geth/ EDI lives, Shepard walks off into the sunset with love interest.

I'm just asking to hear your thoughts on the subject.  Open question to others that feel the same way.

This would be much more Shepardish than relying on the goodwill of the glitched magic troll IA who concieved cannibals and brutes, and whose views are perfectly in opposition to every theme developed in ME1/2/3

It would also give more meaning to all the work done uniting species.

[Forbry]

And what do you mean by "everybody"? I myself would consider the series less epic if there was given "a (clear) happy end! Yes, even the pure notion of it in one of more options would have made it less epic to me. Besides, what some others already pointed out, not everybody degrees on what constitutes "a happy ending" or that the option for "a happy ending" was not already given...

[Jadebaby]

Mcfly616 wrote...

The extended cut endings were brilliant....period

/opinion.

[Jadebaby]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I could care less if he reunited.....even.when the original.endings.were what we had, it was never a reunion that was the problem...therefore the lack of one does not effect the quality of the EC....

I hated the original endings...

But I'm not going to sugar coat it....EC explained everything, and it gave closure......EC did its job superbly......people are really pathetic for saying blatant lies that the EC is bad, simply in spite of the fact that they didn't get their lame ass Cinderella ending....

Waaaaah wah waaaaah.......lil troll babies....just.complaining for the sake of complaining

Then you didn't hate the original endings, you just didn't understand them.

Because fundamentally they are the same endings. Unless of course you chose rejection. They only thing it did was clean up plotholes through retcons because they couldn't write themselves out of it.

[Forbry]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I could care less if he reunited.....even.when the original.endings.were what we had, it was never a reunion that was the problem...therefore the lack of one does not effect the quality of the EC....

I hated the original endings...

But I'm not going to sugar coat it....EC explained everything, and it gave closure......EC did its job superbly......people are really pathetic for saying blatant lies that the EC is bad, simply in spite of the fact that they didn't get their lame ass Cinderella ending....

Waaaaah wah waaaaah.......lil troll babies....just.complaining for the sake of complaining

Then you didn't hate the original endings, you just didn't understand them.

Because fundamentally they are the same endings. Unless of course you chose rejection. They only thing it did was clean up plotholes through retcons because they couldn't write themselves out of it.

Agree

Edit: I think that's the reason the EC did not add that much for me. Just some more scenes, no new ideas or  a lot of extra clearance.

Modifié par Forbry, 29 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[Keltic]

Syokhan wrote...

I would have wanted this to be an option, yes.

I didn't want this to be the default ending, but something you had to work really hard to achieve, just as you had to make the right choices throughout the whole game whenever you talked with the Illusive Man in order to be able to make that final paragon/renegade check at the end of the game. Or just as you had to make the right decisions in ME2+3 in order to achieve peace between the Geth and the Quarians. This felt like an accomplishment to me, the result of my actions, and it was incredibly satisfying even though I just watched a friend sacrifice himself. Same thing for the Genophage plot.

After ME2, whenever I thought about how ME3 would end, that's actually what I would envision. A paragon ending, a renegade ending, a bad ending, and a few more in-between, all resulting from the choices you had made throughout the games.

I mean, ME1 did the "victory against all odds" + "sort of uplifting ride into the sunset" ending, you could do it with ME2 as well, why not with ME3? That's part of the reason I felt so disconnected from the ME3 endings, because the pattern changed completely and it threw me off.

And for those who insist on there being sacrifices, well in the best of cases billions have already died, some of your friends have died for the cause, Khar'shan and Thessia fall no matter what, Earth has been devastated, shouldn't that be enough?

That's my view on the subject anyway.

Sort of have to agree with this as its what i thought as well.

Modifié par Keltic101, 29 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[MadRabbit999]

Nope, I got bored of "They lied happily ever after" when I was about 5.

I used to watch anime like Devilman with bad endings (Both as in story, and as in poorly executed) when I was about 8, Akira (Another unhappy ending), Fist of the North Star, then much later came stuff like Berserk (Again, with ****** poor endings IMO and very depressing).

Anyhow, I always found more believable if stories do not end well when so much is at stake, maybe that's why I like the ME endings, or maybe is just the influence that those media I used to watch had on me.

That said I actually did like JC's Avatar, even if is filled with Hollywood happy cheese, so there are exceptions

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[Ageless Face]

No, to be honest. I think it is fine as it is. Making everything have a happy ending without any cost to it is (in my personal opinion) wishfull thinking. Mixed with bad writing if BioWare went that way. A war is no disneyworld. In a war you can't have everything you want. You want the synthetics to be saved? You must sacrifice Shepard for this, as well as saving the reapers in the process. You want to save Shepard and kill the reapers? There is a cost for that. You can't have everything in a war, esspecially against an enemy as the reapers. And I believe the EC made the future look brighter.

[warlock22]

Bivo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...



Just to be direct though:  Why should this be an option for the refusal ending.  Or even more generally, why should there be an ending that contains the following:

Shepard Lives, reapers defeated by conventional means, Geth/ EDI lives, Shepard walks off into the sunset with love interest.

I'm just asking to hear your thoughts on the subject.  Open question to others that feel the same way.

This would be much more Shepardish than relying on the goodwill of the glitched magic troll IA who concieved cannibals and brutes, and whose views are perfectly in opposition to every theme developed in ME1/2/3

It would also give more meaning to all the work done uniting species.

Agreed.

[Feixeno]

I think "Because it would be cathartic" is a pretty acceptable answer.

[Jadebaby]

HagarIshay wrote...

No, to be honest. I think it is fine as it is. Making everything have a happy ending without any cost to it is (in my personal opinion) wishfull thinking. Mixed with bad writing if BioWare went that way. A war is no disneyworld. In a war you can't have everything you want. You want the synthetics to be saved? You must sacrifice Shepard for this, as well as saving the reapers in the process. You want to save Shepard and kill the reapers? There is a cost for that. You can't have everything in a war, esspecially against an enemy as the reapers. And I believe the EC made the future look brighter.

If they had of shown Shepard reunion with LI that would be happy ending with sacrfice.... You obviously never cared about Shepard's self-preservation anyway.

[Ageless Face]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If they had of shown Shepard reunion with LI that would be happy ending with sacrfice.... You obviously never cared about Shepard's self-preservation anyway.

LI refuse to put the name on the wall. S/he feels that Shepard is out there somewhere. A second later, we see Shepard breathing. I think it's enough to tell us Shepard and LI will reunite. You just have to fill in the gaps. Specualtions are not ALWAYS so bad.

[HooblaDGN]

Why do I keep reading people say that a heroic "disney" ending would be unrealistic? Think about how much has been sacrificed already just to get you to the end of the game. Even the best and happiest of endings would still have been sad because of all of the sacrifices of the last three games. Shepard and the galaxy have both given more than enough, and they've earned that heroic victory.

[Feixeno]

Also I forgot to point out.

I suppose I'm just speaking on behalf of myself (many people didn't like them obviously), but it made me evaluate the choices purely internally. Each of the choices had a potential cost to them, coupled with some uncertainty over the reliability of the Catalyst, and each of the choices made me reflect on myself as a person. At what point am I willing to bend on my ethical beliefs if I feel the end justifies the means?

The thing is, Destroy already has enough negative implications that cheapens EDI and the Geth's demise. In Control the negative implication that the galaxy may be a police state now and what happens to people who disagree with god-emperor shepard?

Synthesis has questions of free will and diversity amongst species now. Shepard just made a for real real serious personal choice for everyone. Would you like it if someone forced you to remove your hand and get it replaced by a superior mechanical one? What if it's other more intimate body parts? 

Destroy's negative implications are beyond the mass genocide that Shepard just pulled (which was against my Shepard's morals, but so is choosing Control and Synthesis) is that the Catalyst is gone and the only arbiter for Organics and Synthetics to help prevent their conflict is Shepard, and Shepard won't be around forever. His message might even be ignored like his warning about the Reapers.

So yeah, with that in mind, EDI and the Geth dying just feel like a tacked on "sacrifice" because Shepard potentially doesn't die.

Modifié par Feixeno, 29 juin 2012 - 09:38 .

[Eire Icon]

No I most certainly do not want that

Winning by conventional means should not be an option under any circumstances

[riesenwiesel]

HagarIshay wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If they had of shown Shepard reunion with LI that would be happy ending with sacrfice.... You obviously never cared about Shepard's self-preservation anyway.

LI refuse to put the name on the wall. S/he feels that Shepard is out there somewhere. A second later, we see Shepard breathing. I think it's enough to tell us Shepard and LI will reunite. You just have to fill in the gaps. Specualtions are not ALWAYS so bad.

Not always but in this case. The target of ME3 and especially the EC provide closure to the story of Shepard. So why to leave room for speculations or headcanon here and why "only" in this ending scenario? Why stay one step/picture away from final closure if that was the target?