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[Biosman]

I was expecting an ending along the lines of Mass Effect 1, gotta be the best ending in a game ever, the tears rolled down my cheeks unabashed as Shep picked himself out of the rubble, sadly they decided to kill him off, they should patch out the "breathe" clip though, makes no sense and just cheapens the ending of ME3 now after the EC.

[cyrexwingblade]

[double post of below]

Modifié par cyrexwingblade, 30 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[cyrexwingblade]

Sorry for double-post. I would like an ending choice like the OP's (marking previous post blank)

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Because one of the defining characteristics of Shepard--possibly the ONLY defining characteristic, given the level of player choice to his personality and beliefs--is that he can engage any foe and any problem, and fight them on his terms, compromising when it suits him,

Like Ashley and Kaiden? Earth's fleet and the Destiny's Ascension? Or even Mordin on Tuchanka? Balak or the hostages? The Alpha Relay and the Bahak System?

Shepard isn't always able to get the optimal outcome and sometimes must make actual choices that aren't exactly ideal. I'm not saying the expectation of a happier ending is silly because of my examples, but it's more just a counterpoint to the idea that Shepard is always able to make the best out of the situation even if it doesn't seem obvious or even if it seems impossible.

I just wanted to chime in on this point.

Yes, the writers pushed these choices on us multiple times. I enjoyed the games *despite* them, not because of them.

I love having choices with consequences, and having legitimate choices that end up killing friends is strong writing. However, it shows a failure of imagination to not have a 'better' solution in each case. It's very 'real', and not the breath of fresh air we want from a hero immersed in just enough reality to keep us going.

The fact that I am still willing to play ME3 despite the fact that it kills off most of my favorite supporting characters is a testimate to how good *the rest of the game is*, not how compelling those specific choices were.

Mordin's "I MADE A MISTAKE" line is one of the most powerful emotional moments in the storyline. His death following it wouldn't affect the power of that meaning. Why can't I go up with him, taking shrapnel for him with my shield, and then we both leap out the window into the shuttle Steve is piloting with true action-movie flare? I'm not saying 'this is the only way'. I'm saying I would like to have that choice.

Some fans love noble sacrifices, and those do pull them deeper in. Those fans would let Mordin take the noble sacrifice route to allow him to show that strength beyond contestation. I personally never had doubt he had the guts for it, so I didn't need to see him die. Instead, I must bid farewell to a friend in a bittersweetness that reminds me all too much of my real life endeavors, and how success is always marred by disaster of some form.

Why can't I help Thane fight Kai Leng? Why can't I do the amazing heroic moment and save both Kaiden and Ashley when no one thinks it's possible?

I don't claim to speak for anyone else, but *I* don't play ME for gritty, hard-hitting reality. I play it for the ability to compose a story that comes to life in front of me.

I like my happy ****ing endings, thank you very much. Yes, I want the silly, fluffy, everyone goes out and gets drunk together on a Reaper's corpse ending. I want an N7 mission where I help Kal-Reegar instead of that comm station with the unfortunate techie lady. 

I want to be there for my friends when they need me, not hold their hand as they die and pray for me. If they must die, by G'd will I stand by them, but why can't I do it better?

That is all.

Modifié par cyrexwingblade, 30 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[Shadowvalker]

Modifié par Shadowvalker, 30 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[dsprado956]

Everyone wanted this type of ending. But I think that one of the themes of this story was, War. War has casualties, not everyone makes it.

[Shadowvalker]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

ph34r-X wrote...

I mean look at the refusal ending. Why can't we have that in the refusal ending, but if you're readiness is too low you get the current refusal ending.

I'm just asking this to facilitate discussion, so I'm not trying to pour salt on the wound or anything (my that sounds ominous...).


I see your opinion come up, and I often state my opinion and perspective.  I want to try something a bit different.  Many feel "why can't we have that in the refusal ending?"

Which is a fair enough point.  The writers/designers could have easily allowed that to be an option (what happens in the game is literally whatever they put in).


Just to be direct though:  Why should this be an option for the refusal ending.  Or even more generally, why should there be an ending that contains the following:

Shepard Lives, reapers defeated by conventional means, Geth/ EDI lives, Shepard walks off into the sunset with love interest.

I'm just asking to hear your thoughts on the subject.  Open question to others that feel the same way.

Well perhaps for the same reason people involve themselves with each other on many levels - why do a lot of  people get married? OH - surprise - they seek happiness in each others company - wan't a nice life - kids
- a reason to keep on going for things that to them are important.

I haven't met many people that from day one stated and acted accordingly to a statement like: I dislike life - I wan't only bad luck - no furture - love hopelessness and of cause I enjoy a kick in the quad.

I personally don't need to beat the reapers through conventional means - that would take too much out of what ME was about - high stakes! And not to provoke but I for one didn't feel I won the game regardless of which
ending I toke!
I am Mordin kind of guy - get the job done and go home! Isn't that what any soldior wants? If not then they are not much different than suicide bombers.

Modifié par Shadowvalker, 30 juin 2012 - 11:47 .

[Uncle Jo]

dsprado956 wrote...

Everyone wanted this type of ending. But I think that one of the themes of this story was, War. War has casualties, not everyone makes it.

Agreed. However the problem is that Destroy the Reapers which always "seemed" to be the most adequate solution (hence what you did all along the three games, what Hackett, Anderson, your Allies and your squademates tells you from the beginning to the end) is tied to the genocide of the Geth and the death of EDI for no real reason, while Synthesis and Control don't appear to have any downsides. The big problem is for me the balance between the three choices.
Even more now with the EC. Just take a look at how Synthesis and Control are depicted and compare it to the Destroy ending. Ah, yes in destroy we have the breathing scene... Come on...

Let alone the Reapers becoming retarded tools and the synthetics the real problem....

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 30 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[davishepard]

All the endings have good and bad things. I don't see sense in people complaining about the downsides in the Destroy. There can be no perfect ending, so it's a good thing that they put the Geth and EDI casualties in Destroy. How far would you go to Destroy the Reapers, even knowing that other options exist?

[pablosplinter]

dsprado956 wrote...

Everyone wanted this type of ending.
But I think that one of the themes of this story was, War. War has
casualties, not everyone makes it.

I don't understand people who are saying that a reunion, Shepard living happily ever after ending would be too cheap, as there should "have to be sacrifice" and "This is what war is like" etc.

Did any of you actually play the game? .....BILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DIED!! Shepard reuniting with his LI and having a nice life would not bring them back to life.

A reunion scene, slides of what happens to your crew, with also scenes which show the sacrifices already made, would be bittersweet enough for me.

Modifié par pablosplinter, 30 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[Anduin The Grey]

My view is there simply isn't any context for a Shepard happy ever after story, as mentioned before by others in different ways by many others. There was never going to be a happy ever after ending for Shepard with so many lost and so many attrocities committed.

However, the writers still deliver on an happy ever ending right afer the credits, because of Shepard and now, possibly despite him/her, we do get an happy ever ending.

The only theory I can come up with is that some want a total badass character in the same vain as some archetypal Hollywood/Bollywood character beat all the odds (insane as they are), prove everyone wrong and kick the Reapers in the collective butt, something no-one has been able to do in 37 million years.

[jeff359]

Nope, what would be the negative to that choice? Then the other ends would be removed if that was the case.

[ph34r-X]

Exactly what anduin said Shepard is a character created to do the impossible and beat the Odds. So why can't he beat the reapers his own way. The reapers are viewed as godlike and shepard in some instances viewed similarly. If you have an absolutly perfect playthrough, why can't you overcome things your way. Its just sill and Biowares attempt to make him appear fallable. You beat the suicide mission in Me2 with nobody dieng, or you beat the suicide mission THE WAY YOU WANTED TO, why cant you beat the reapers THE WAY YOU WANT TO.

[Reever]

Can´t help but wonder how people can say things like "I invested so many hours in building up Shepard, him dying is like losing" etc. etc.
If you´d really identify with your Shepard, sacrificing yourself for the freakin galaxy wouldn´t really mean losing (now, having qualms with the choices provided is something else entirely, of course ^^).
But that argumentation just shows that the people only want to see their Shepards alive and well, with them blue babies...

Don´t get me wrong, I´d like an ending with rainbows and fluffy bunnies as well, but sometimes it just isn´t meant to be like that. Deal with it.

[Benrosan]

The destroy ending is probably the most artificial. There is no good reason why Edi and the Geth should die. Unfortunately, since the other two choices both have a major drawback (Shep dying), BW has no choice but to add this condition to the destroy ending in order to balance it out with the others.

It's bad writing.

[saracen16]

ph34r-X wrote...

Exactly what anduin said Shepard is a character created to do the impossible and beat the Odds. So why can't he beat the reapers his own way. The reapers are viewed as godlike and shepard in some instances viewed similarly.

No, at the end of the day, Shepard is just a man. He even acknowledges that through his feelings about the war.

[ph34r-X]

God dammit I promised Miranda I'd come back. But losing the gets n edition is BS. Just bs

[TwilightChamp]

I disagree that I'd like the happily ever after ending.

Shepard is an epic hero, the savior of the galaxy. Hate to point out here, but usually saviors die.
Even look at the name. Remind you of anyone who dies to 'save' everyone.

This isn't so much a point about Shep being an icon of any particular mythology or faith, but the truly epic legendary heroes die. Only in faerie tales do they live happily ever after. Once the eye of story moves away the legendary hero is usually not living off to the side. It would cheapen his heroism if he did, because he could never live up to who he was during the trilogy. He'd no longer be a legend.

In light of the EC, the difference between the choices is far more clear, and I feel that the Catalyst was shown to be honest when he suggested that Synthesis was the ideal solution. When you look at what the outcomes are you see why.

Synthesis = Shepard becomes part of all life synthetic and organic. Shepard's ability to overcome adversity, challenge, and difference is imparted to all life. This also means, Shepard does not die.
Control = Shepard becomes the Catalyst effectively. He does not die, but becomes a sort of god. This also works out pretty well, though I can't say how well this works out if its Renegade Shep.
Destruction = Shepard commits xenocide (and lets leave out the Geth and EDI for a second). Shep maybe lives on as Shep in this one. But he's probably haunted by questions of what's going to happen if the Catalyst was right? And what about the weight of committing xenocide? I like to imagine that Shep develops a drinking problem and splits up with the LI in this instance as the weight of 'saving the galaxy' turns him into a mess.
Refusal = Shep dooms everyone and is not really a hero any more.

One thing about heroes. They tend to make choices for other people that turn out to be the best. Everyone may not like the choice they make because usually it's a leap of faith into a new world. Synthesis and Control are both like that. Refusal and Destruction are not, as TIM points out, many people did not see the opportunities offered by the ME Relays and wanted to blow them up too, that more than anything else points out why Destruction is the most flawed of the original endings and EC makes it much clearer that it is.

[Scolai]

TwilightChamp wrote...

I disagree that I'd like the happily ever after ending.

Shepard is an epic hero, the savior of the galaxy. Hate to point out here, but usually saviors die.
Even look at the name. Remind you of anyone who dies to 'save' everyone.

This isn't so much a point about Shep being an icon of any particular mythology or faith, but the truly epic legendary heroes die. Only in faerie tales do they live happily ever after. Once the eye of story moves away the legendary hero is usually not living off to the side. It would cheapen his heroism if he did, because he could never live up to who he was during the trilogy. He'd no longer be a legend.
 

Luke Skywalker
Han Solo
Indiana Jones
Buffy
Mal Reynolds
Aragorn
Frodo
Samwise

[Benrosan]

TwilightChamp wrote...

I disagree that I'd like the happily ever after ending.

But would you have objected if it had been one of the original endings? 

[ph34r-X]

It wouldn't be a happily ever after ending the galaxy would be in disarray from rebuilding all this damage. Bad people often take advantage of that.

ALL I WANT IS THE MASS EFFECT STORY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD BUT KEEP ITS AUTHENTICITY!!!! I don't want to see only prequals and side stories because they will all end with everyone becoming synthesized

The synthesis ending completely sucks because it takes away mass effects scientific viability adds "space magic" and makes to universe TOO PERFECT.

Oh there's a new threat in the galaxy.Oh don't worry our reaper saviors are perfect so they'll save us. I mean really if there is an enemy more ridiculous than what the reapers HAVE BECOME, we may as well just put Q in mass effect who can magic ly do anything or the great gazoo. Hello Bioware dumb dumbs

[warlock22]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't see why aging means you have to throw away liking a feel-good, triumphant ending...which is what we had for ME and ME2, correct? I have no problem with people wanting the ending the way it is. That's fine, but I don't. I want to SEE Shepard alive. I don't want to image it, or dare I say speculate about his whereabouts and if that name plate scene insinuates that the crew is coming to save me. I wanted to SEE it, but I guess that's asking too much.

Exactly, I all wanted was to see it happen.

This is pretty much what she said to me when I called her out on her twitter post.

[greggm2000]

warlock22 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't see why aging means you have to throw away liking a feel-good, triumphant ending...which is what we had for ME and ME2, correct? I have no problem with people wanting the ending the way it is. That's fine, but I don't. I want to SEE Shepard alive. I don't want to image it, or dare I say speculate about his whereabouts and if that name plate scene insinuates that the crew is coming to save me. I wanted to SEE it, but I guess that's asking too much.

Exactly, I all wanted was to see it happen.

This is pretty much what she said to me when I called her out on her twitter post.

Yes, well, one thing that hasn't changed, EC or no, is Bioware's PR, and I remain pretty displeased about that...... though the way I try to look at it, they can say anything they like as long as they DO the right thing... and while the EC is far from perfect, it's still a major improvement over the original ending... so I have some hope we'll see a Shepard-based ME4 and/or Reunion DLC despite what they've said informally in the past.

[Persephone]

No.

If I want schmaltz and kitsch, I'll watch a Rom Com or a Japanese Cartoon. I neither want nor need it in something like Mass Effect.

[warlock22]

Persephone wrote...

No.

If I want schmaltz and kitsch, I'll watch a Rom Com or a Japanese Cartoon. I neither want nor need it in something like Mass Effect.

Then dont choose this ending I dont like the synthesis ending, its wrong on so many levels and goes against what ME has always been about, diversity. So I wont ever choose that ending. Its as simple as that.

Modifié par warlock22, 30 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[Dragoonlordz]

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 juin 2012 - 08:39 .