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[Persephone]

warlock22 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

No.

If I want schmaltz and kitsch, I'll watch a Rom Com or a Japanese Cartoon. I neither want nor need it in something like Mass Effect.

Then dont choose this ending

What if the "High EMS & Refusal lead to this bunnies & roses ending" was true?

Would I HAVE TO have low EMS (As in screwing up everything in ME3) in order to avoid it? Yeah, that would be great....

[Dessalines]

No, I cannot agree with the conventionalmeans option of the opening posts. Basically,what are stating that in the countless cycles before now, no one has had enough fire power, and ability to come together to defeat the Reapers until now. This reduces the reapers to a schoolyard bully.

[warlock22]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Seeing how many people are still pissed off at the endings, all that time and effort is already wasted.  And I seem to recall winning conventionally in the past two games.

[Persephone]

warlock22 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Seeing how many people are still pissed off at the endings, all that time and effort is already wasted.  And I seem to recall winning conventionally in the past two games.

I the first game you beat ONE Reaper. BARELY.

In the second game you wiped out one base.

Literally child's play compared to a FLEET OF REAPERS.

[Dragoonlordz]

warlock22 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Seeing how many people are still pissed off at the endings, all that time and effort is already wasted.  And I seem to recall winning conventionally in the past two games.

Not going to happen.

If want such a victory then you need to rely on fanfic, that is your stories how you want to tell them.

The game however is Bioware's story and how they want to tell it. Like I said not a candy store where you pick and choose what you want removed or added to the 'goodie bag' prior to buying it, in this case a  game after left the store after already bought it as a product already.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[warlock22]

Dessalines wrote...

No, I cannot agree with the conventionalmeans option of the opening posts. Basically,what are stating that in the countless cycles before now, no one has had enough fire power, and ability to come together to defeat the Reapers until now. This reduces the reapers to a schoolyard bully.

Well we are the only cycle to have beatin a reaper in ME1 and got new tech from it as you see in ME2, and we are the first ones to bring the galaxy together so... And Javik even says that they lost because they were not able to bring the galaxy together and there was no diversity in his cycle. The reapers from what it sounds like threw all the ME games have never had this hard a time trying to wipe out a cycle, so maybe we are the first to do it, its not out of the realm of possibilitys.

[Dragoonlordz]

warlock22 wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

No, I cannot agree with the conventionalmeans option of the opening posts. Basically,what are stating that in the countless cycles before now, no one has had enough fire power, and ability to come together to defeat the Reapers until now. This reduces the reapers to a schoolyard bully.

Well we are the only cycle to have beatin a reaper in ME1 and got new tech from it as you see in ME2, and we are the first ones to bring the galaxy together so... And Javik even says that they lost because they were not able to bring the galaxy together and there was no diversity in his cycle. The reapers from what it sounds like threw all the ME games have never had this hard a time trying to wipe out a cycle, so maybe we are the first to do it, its not out of the realm of possibilitys.

And while it might make good fanfiction, that does not mean should rewrite the game to match.

Also @ OP, as can see no we do not all agree relating to your thread title and first post content.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 juin 2012 - 08:56 .

[greggm2000]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

Plans can change, and the plot hooks are there if they want to revisit Shepard. Moreover, while the endings aren't going to change, and this story arc is done (aside possibly from some sidestory DLC), that does not mean that there won't be content occuring after the endings.

One could also make a case that there's another Shepard trilogy forthcoming, based on the bit after the credits. All speculation of course, but I think it's too early to say what they're going to do.. I think even *they* don't know what they're going to do yet.

[Xilizhra]

I'm far from opposed to it in principle, but doing so without using the Crucible would make the entire game a waste of time. The whole point is just to delay the Reapers until the Crucible can be built; there was never any hint at all throughout any of the games that the Reapers could be defeated conventionally.

It's true that Shepard's built a career on performing the impossible, that's undeniable. However, it always required focused effort, and to build up a force specifically for fighting the Reapers conventionally would have required an entirely different story and focus, and to add it on to this game as a means of defying the Catalyst would... just not work at all.

Also, I quite frankly don't see where Shepard would ever have to sacrifice her morals, at least if they're anything like mine, who has "save as many as possible." Which ending would do best at this is open to interpretation (Synthesis as purely in keeping everyone alive, Control if you don't want to alter anyone's makeup, Destroy if you both don't want that and don't want the potential of Shepard going nuts later), but all can fulfill it in the end.

[Dragoonlordz]

greggm2000 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

Plans can change, and the plot hooks are there if they want to revisit Shepard. Moreover, while the endings aren't going to change, and this story arc is done (aside possibly from some sidestory DLC), that does not mean that there won't be content occuring after the endings.

One could also make a case that there's another Shepard trilogy forthcoming, based on the bit after the credits. All speculation of course, but I think it's too early to say what they're going to do.. I think even *they* don't know what they're going to do yet.

You know 100% there is no more Shepard trilogies. The entire premise of ME3 is the end of Shepards story.

[warlock22]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Seeing how many people are still pissed off at the endings, all that time and effort is already wasted.  And I seem to recall winning conventionally in the past two games.

Not going to happen.

If want such a victory then you need to rely on fanfic, that is your stories how you want to tell them.

The game however is Bioware's story and how they want to tell it. Like I said not a candy store where you pick and choose what you want removed or added to the 'goodie bag' prior to buying it, in this case a  game after left the store after already bought it as a product already.

Thats a cute post, oh and about it being BW story, Casey Hudson has always said that ME is about "your" story not "a" story look up his quotes. And I like how you said product, because BW keeps hiding behind their "artistic vison" about the endings. But once you buy it, it is no longer art it is a product, a product that you are trying to appeal to fans. So if this is want fans want and are asking for because they dont like what they got, then why not give it to them, especially if most of the fans wont ever buy a game from you again, because that show much the story and characters mean to them. But then again I'm talking to someone who liked the original ending (the 5 %) so I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

[greggm2000]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

Plans can change, and the plot hooks are there if they want to revisit Shepard. Moreover, while the endings aren't going to change, and this story arc is done (aside possibly from some sidestory DLC), that does not mean that there won't be content occuring after the endings.

One could also make a case that there's another Shepard trilogy forthcoming, based on the bit after the credits. All speculation of course, but I think it's too early to say what they're going to do.. I think even *they* don't know what they're going to do yet.

You know 100% there is no more Shepard trilogies. The entire premise of ME3 is the end of Shepards story.

Oh, I grant that it's relatively self-contained, and that the odds are that it's the end of Shepard's story... but if they really wanted to close it off as an option, it wouldn't have been difficult to do so. No, they've written things in such a way that they can smoothly add another trilogy involving her if they decide to. Will they? We'll see!

[AkeasharK]

 Nope.

I've always been happy with my great sacrifice of all synthethics.

Besides... they can't have been that broken if everything is up and running afterwards anyway.

[greggm2000]

warlock22 wrote...

Thats a cute post, oh and about it being BW story, Casey Hudson has always said that ME is about "your" story not "a" story look up his quotes. And I like how you said product, because BW keeps hiding behind their "artistic vison" about the endings. But once you buy it, it is no longer art it is a product, a product that you are trying to appeal to fans. So if this is want fans want and are asking for because they dont like what they got, then why not give it to them, especially if most of the fans wont ever buy a game from you again, because that show much the story and characters mean to them. But then again I'm talking to someone who liked the original ending (the 5 %) so I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

Not only that, art has always been about pleasing an audience (even if the creator and the audience are one and the same). Art and money go hand in hand. Great art, the sort of art that people point out as the pinnacle of human expression (such as the Mona Lisa) would not exist without the money and approval of their patrons...

[warlock22]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm far from opposed to it in principle, but doing so without using the Crucible would make the entire game a waste of time. The whole point is just to delay the Reapers until the Crucible can be built; there was never any hint at all throughout any of the games that the Reapers could be defeated conventionally.

It's true that Shepard's built a career on performing the impossible, that's undeniable. However, it always required focused effort, and to build up a force specifically for fighting the Reapers conventionally would have required an entirely different story and focus, and to add it on to this game as a means of defying the Catalyst would... just not work at all.

Also, I quite frankly don't see where Shepard would ever have to sacrifice her morals, at least if they're anything like mine, who has "save as many as possible." Which ending would do best at this is open to interpretation (Synthesis as purely in keeping everyone alive, Control if you don't want to alter anyone's makeup, Destroy if you both don't want that and don't want the potential of Shepard going nuts later), but all can fulfill it in the end.

I agree with you about the Crucible, it would need to be used. I think this Leviathan of Dis could play a huge roll in this. Have it connect to the Citidel just like Sovereign did in ME1, It now has control of both the Citidel and the Crucible. It could send out a virus to teh other reapers and (just for exp) take out thier sheilds, that way they could be beatin conventionally. The starkid does say the first reaper rejected its form, this Leviathan may be the first reaper and it did kill one of its own so it doesn't like its kind for some reason.

[KLGChaos]

I think it's perfectly fine that Bioware decided not to give us our happy ending. Just as I think it's perfectly fine that I won't be buying any of their games again after this, DA2 and TOR all left me feeling hollow. Yeah, it may not put a dent in their wallet, but it's one less fan they have (a fan since the original Baldur's Gate at that). All I wanted was what they promised-- an ending based on my choices. In the end, it was an ending based on THEIR choices. I'm never  going to be able to trust what they say before a game is released again. They're as bad as politicians-- promising things they can't deliver.

But that's the game industry these days. Drive away your most hardcore fans and go for the money of the casual crowd. Ah well, I'll keep looking forward to Borderlands 2 and the next Fallout... At least Bethesda really does listen to the fans.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 30 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[Menagra]

One thing could make it possible: Leviathan.

Modifié par infraredman, 30 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[warlock22]

greggm2000 wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

Thats a cute post, oh and about it being BW story, Casey Hudson has always said that ME is about "your" story not "a" story look up his quotes. And I like how you said product, because BW keeps hiding behind their "artistic vison" about the endings. But once you buy it, it is no longer art it is a product, a product that you are trying to appeal to fans. So if this is want fans want and are asking for because they dont like what they got, then why not give it to them, especially if most of the fans wont ever buy a game from you again, because that show much the story and characters mean to them. But then again I'm talking to someone who liked the original ending (the 5 %) so I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

Not only that, art has always been about pleasing an audience (even if the creator and the audience are one and the same). Art and money go hand in hand. Great art, the sort of art that people point out as the pinnacle of human expression (such as the Mona Lisa) would not exist without the money and approval of their patrons...

Well said

[Ryudoz28]

Persephone wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TullyAckland wrote...

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings.

End of story.

You cannot have conventional win, not now and not ever because of the invalidation of all the remaining choices. The balance of consequence will also become out of sync and make months and months of development time, resources and money being wasted. This is not your local sweet store where you can buy pick'n mix goodie bags and pick and choose what you want cut or added to the bag as you see fit.

Seeing how many people are still pissed off at the endings, all that time and effort is already wasted.  And I seem to recall winning conventionally in the past two games.

I the first game you beat ONE Reaper. BARELY.

In the second game you wiped out one base.

Literally child's play compared to a FLEET OF REAPERS.

^ this  ^

And your entire galaxy fleet ( the one you gathered and wich its most of all race's fire power ), got almost wiped out, only by the reapers attacking earth, remember they are attacking almost every system by end of game at once. Earth might have the worst of the battles, but still was enough to almost wipe all fleets, how can you possibly want "us" to kill em conventioanlly? ....<_<

Modifié par Ryudoz28, 30 juin 2012 - 09:23 .

[warlock22]

infraredman wrote...

One thing could make it possible: Leviathan.

Agreed.

[Dragoonlordz]

warlock22 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not going to happen.

If want such a victory then you need to rely on fanfic, that is your stories how you want to tell them.

The game however is Bioware's story and how they want to tell it. Like I said not a candy store where you pick and choose what you want removed or added to the 'goodie bag' prior to buying it, in this case a  game after left the store after already bought it as a product already.

Thats a cute post, oh and about it being BW story, Casey Hudson has always said that ME is about "your" story not "a" story look up his quotes. And I like how you said product, because BW keeps hiding behind their "artistic vison" about the endings. But once you buy it, it is no longer art it is a product, a product that you are trying to appeal to fans. So if this is want fans want and are asking for because they dont like what they got, then why not give it to them, especially if most of the fans wont ever buy a game from you again, because that show much the story and characters mean to them. But then again I'm talking to someone who liked the original ending (the 5 %) so I'm just wasting my time arguing with you.

You are getting into territory best you avoid else this thread will get locked. The story is Biowares, you played it with some flexibility they allow within the predefined variables they was willing to give you during their story. Sticking with artistic integrity just means keeping their story not replacing it with your fanfic alternative. Nothing more and nothing less. Here is another quote for you one that is newer and more relevant from them "Cannot please everyone" plus another "Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy". All your doing right now is setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[Ryudoz28]

infraredman wrote...

One thing could make it possible: Leviathan.

i dont think so, but will love to see our "own" reaper fighting others , they could make him twice harbringer size or something, just want it on cinematics thought, if they add it.

[ghost9191]

would love to have a happy ending, i get wanting to have a bittersweet ending but isn't life depressing enough?

[Subject M]

ph34r-X wrote...

 Simple paragon ending. 

Shepard Lives, reapers defeated by conventional means, Geth/ EDI lives, Shepard walks off into the sunset with love interest.

Is this basicly what we all want? 

No.

I would argue that conventional victory should never be an option. That does not mean that I do not think that the Reapers should have been "unbeatable" or their harvesting unstoppable, just that the military might of the galaxy only had one goal they could hope for: buying the allied races time to find an alternative way to deconstruct the reaper threat.

[shodiswe]

It would invalidate all other endings or the reason to build the crusible..

In other words you want a generic, happy ending like in Mars attacks where the voice of an old Operadiva on an old gramophone disc or something kills all the bad aliens where all weapons and sofisticated tech fails. The unbeatable overwhelming is beaten... wait thats the destory ending... You want a simple We pick our guns and kills them ending... Why did we need the cucible again? Why waste all those resources on it? Why the desperation? all we needed was a few guns and the guts to fight? Why did earth get invaded to begin with? If we coudl beat the reapers conventionaly then it woudl have been easier with the full fleet, working comms, and active defence instalations... nm the reapers cut through that like it was nothing, we had to flee and hide because anything that got in their way was destroyed and lost. But take hearth, greatly weakened and drained of resources we will finf the will to fight and beat them!! They cut through our strongest defences? don't you worry about a thing, out starvign soldiers and cipples and few remaining warships will win this war.... yeah... you just need to belive it.. Every homeworld in the galaxy has been invaded? all defences destroyed? no problem the survivors will fight back.. There are a few old people and wounded left. There arn't that many woudned though, most people who encouters the reapers dies immediately or get huskified.