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[Geneaux486]

maaaze wrote...
Wrong! He is taking the old live out of the equation by accending them and resetting the Universe so live can evolve for the young ones.

Ironically this controlled evolution led to an unexpected galactic evolution, represented by the Crucible, which developed over countless cycles until finally organics were able to perfect it, build it, and use it.  No plan is perfect.

[DRTJR]

Armass81 wrote...

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Depends is the woodchuck... Chuck Norris?

[Swisspease]

Armass81 wrote...

This is it corrected:

Yo dawg, I heard you didn't want to be killed by synthetics so you created me, a synthetic to find a solution to the problem of organics vs synthetics. As a solution I killed your ass and stuck your brain in a cuttlefish then killed  and preserved every advanced organic every 50000 years from then on so organic life in general won't be killed by the synthetics the advanced organics make.

Happy now?

Couldn't have put it any better

[DEATHSCOPE]

The Catalyst's solution is flawed. It's a paradox, but being the annoying child that it is, it doesn't want to admit it. So, here we are, 37 million years later.

[Jonata]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

The Catalyst's solution is flawed. It's a paradox, but being the annoying child that it is, it doesn't want to admit it. So, here we are, 37 million years later.

Well we can stop him. Destroy him, taking Control of his tools or use his "final solution" and change the shape of the Galaxy. Either way, no more deads.

I don't see this as a problem.

[Cyricsservant101]

Galiredon wrote...

...I heard you don't wanna be killed by synthetics. So I made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you won't be killed by synthetics.

This was one of the biggest problems I had with the endings and although I thought the Extended Cut were an improvement they didn't address this core issue for me.

To the people who like the new endings, what do you think about this issue before/after the Extended Cut?

Yo Dawg...

I heard synthesis is inevitable and can't be forced on organics.  So I decided to force it on them, so it won't be forced on them. 

[Galiredon]

maaaze wrote...

I will just copy/paste an updated answer from another thread

maaaze wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

GabrielK wrote...

I am the Catalyst. Conflict between organics and synthetics is inevitable. I do not wish to see organics destroyed by synthetics. Hmmm...what to do....well, I do have these Reapers just hanging around waiting for something to do....

Maybe I could have my Reapers fly into space and tell everyone to stop fighting. I'll enforce the peace if I have to. Hmmm that seems a little heavy handed, and they may not appreciate having peace enforced on them.

OK. Let's think. What else can I do....

Thinking is hard. I know, I'll just have my Reapers fly in and turn everyone into liquid goo. Kinda sucks for them but they'll be preserved forever. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

Ooooh look, my Reapers have control of some Geth. Maybe I could tell them to stop killing their creators? Nah. I'll have them help me wipe them out. I mean preserve them.

This is the nonsensical starbrat in a nutshell.

Post like these really incline me to think that some didn´t get the ending at all. 

1. Catalyst doesn´t think like a human.
2. Catalyst was given a task to find a permanent solution in conflict.
3. Telling the Geth to stop would not stop them to rebel sometime in the future in much more powerful state.
4. Synthetics will eventually become more powerful than the reapers/organics so eventually all organics will perish.
5. Task requires organics to not be extinguished.
6. Catalyst values every organic the same.
7. Organics get preserved
8. Therefore reset every 50 000 years.

Is this concept so hard to grasp?

any questions? 

1. How do you know synthetics will become more powerful than reapers/organics?
2. Why not protect the galaxy like god Shepard does in the Extended Control ending?
3. If peace between synthetics/organics is so impossible why was Shepard succeful with Geth/Quarians?

[Mazebook]

Geneaux486 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
Wrong! He is taking the old live out of the equation by accending them and resetting the Universe so live can evolve for the young ones.

Ironically this controlled evolution led to an unexpected galactic evolution, represented by the Crucible, which developed over countless cycles until finally organics were able to perfect it, build it, and use it.  No plan is perfect.

Yeah, he failed to foresee that organics would be the one who would become powerful enough to overcome his solution. 

[Galiredon]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Galiredon wrote...

...I heard you don't wanna be killed by synthetics. So I made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you won't be killed by synthetics.

This was one of the biggest problems I had with the endings and although I thought the Extended Cut were an improvement they didn't address this core issue for me.

To the people who like the new endings, what do you think about this issue before/after the Extended Cut?

Yo Dawg...

I heard synthesis is inevitable and can't be forced on organics.  So I decided to force it on them, so it won't be forced on them. 

Exactly!

[MongoNYC]

My head hurts.

[Geneaux486]

vivaladricas wrote...

Wouldn't the creating race be like "I think this thing is broken. It wants to turn us into cuttlefish and make us purple ones at that."

Wouldn't someone also be like "Why the hell did you create an AI to answer that question?"

Thats a lot of power for an AI to put people into that form, does it take over people's bodies and FORCE them into being a cuttlefish?

Never go full retard. Ever!

Not as  bad as what I thought the Reapers' origins were when playing the first game.  Getting to the end of that quest where you find the source of the hack into that casino on the Citadel (geez, it's been so long I can't even remember the name of that club), finding out that it's an AI theif that's about to upload itself into a starship, I was thinking "...is... is that where they came from?"

Modifié par Geneaux486, 29 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[squee365]

His logic is flawed.


People don't realize, thats the point.
Its like that south park episode "I get it Token!...I don't get it"

[Shaigunjoe]

Basically, I think that if the reapers are Lovecraft type horrors, then the catalyst is Lovecraft.

Lovecraft feared technological growth, it was a huge theme in his writing, he basically created the unimaginable horrors in his books to discourage people from making unimaginable horrors, for fear the world would descend into chaos, sound familiar?

[akenn312]

When the Catalyst said he was originally created to end the synthetic and organic conflict peacefully but when he couldn't do it, he resorted to the "Yo dawg" solution, i felt that was a better explanation. He's just a crazy AI that turned on it's masters, now the creation of the Crucible makes sense because it basically shackles him to an extent. At least that's how interpreted it.

So the way this all started is way more interesting to me now. Especially when he said the creators didn't like that he eventually harvested them, I kinda thought it was funny.

Modifié par akenn312, 29 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[Seracen]

Before EC: He's lying, it's Harby!!! (no, I was never into IT, but I still saw the cases for parts of it)

After EC: the AI progressed along similar paths to the movie "I,Robot" and I can still consider the true origins of the Reapers as an unkown (I always thought they works better as mysteries).

[Geneaux486]

akenn312 wrote...
So the way this all started is way more interesting to me now. Especially when he said the creators didn't like that he eventually harvested them, I kinda thought it was funny.

I had always figured that's how Harbinger was born, though I didn't know if the Catalyst came up with the idea and his creators were just "Okay, let's do that then" or if it was against their will.  Now we know.

[KingZayd]

Geneaux486 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

It made it worse:

Synthetics will always destroy Organics, so Organics created a Synthetic (Starchild) to prevent Synthetics from destroying Organics. The Synthetic decided to kill the Organics (made them into a Reaper) and created the Reapers to stop Organics from creating Synthetics which would kill Organics.

That's only half of it though.  The Reapers preserve the organics, mind and body, in Reaper form before they can be killed by synthetics, which not only preserves those races, but allows them to ascend to what the Catalyst considered (before the Crucible proved it wrong) to be perfection.

I only dealt with the start of it So yeah the first half.

The second half is HOW the Starchild uses the Reapers to stop organics from creating synthetics.

ergo:
Synthetics will always destroy Organics, so Organics created a Synthetic (Starchild) to prevent Synthetics from destroying Organics. The Synthetic decided to kill the Organics (made them into a Reaper) and created the Reapers to stop Organics from creating Synthetics which would kill Organics by killing the Organics that before they create the Synthetics. This particular Synthetic though? It's alright, because it says it is.

Also, I wasn't aware slavery counted as ascencion? "I control the Reapers"

[Galiredon]

maaaze wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
Wrong! He is taking the old live out of the equation by accending them and resetting the Universe so live can evolve for the young ones.

Ironically this controlled evolution led to an unexpected galactic evolution, represented by the Crucible, which developed over countless cycles until finally organics were able to perfect it, build it, and use it.  No plan is perfect.

Yeah, he failed to foresee that organics would be the one who would become powerful enough to overcome his solution. 

How did organics overcome his solution? They built the Crucible after several cycles but can't use its power without consent from the Catalyst since it needs to be plugged into the Citadel.

Also, the 3 choices are constructs of the Catalyst. The Crucible is little more than a power source. It would have made a lot more sense if the Crucible itself could generate the 3 choices.

[KingZayd]

Geneaux486 wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

Wouldn't the creating race be like "I think this thing is broken. It wants to turn us into cuttlefish and make us purple ones at that."

Wouldn't someone also be like "Why the hell did you create an AI to answer that question?"

Thats a lot of power for an AI to put people into that form, does it take over people's bodies and FORCE them into being a cuttlefish?

Never go full retard. Ever!

Not as  bad as what I thought the Reapers' origins were when playing the first game.  Getting to the end of that quest where you find the source of the hack into that casino on the Citadel (geez, it's been so long I can't even remember the name of that club), finding out that it's an AI theif that's about to upload itself into a starship, I was thinking "...is... is that where they came from?"

But that's well before the Reapers are revealed isn't it?

[Cyricsservant101]

Galiredon wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
Wrong! He is taking the old live out of the equation by accending them and resetting the Universe so live can evolve for the young ones.

Ironically this controlled evolution led to an unexpected galactic evolution, represented by the Crucible, which developed over countless cycles until finally organics were able to perfect it, build it, and use it.  No plan is perfect.

Yeah, he failed to foresee that organics would be the one who would become powerful enough to overcome his solution. 

How did organics overcome his solution? They built the Crucible after several cycles but can't use its power without consent from the Catalyst since it needs to be plugged into the Citadel.

Also, the 3 choices are constructs of the Catalyst. The Crucible is little more than a power source. It would have made a lot more sense if the Crucible itself could generate the 3 choices.

He is beyond your comprehension! 

[Geneaux486]

Oh wasn't it flux?

 
Yes!  Good old Flux.

KingZayd wrote...

But that's well before the Reapers are revealed isn't it?

Heh, most of the sidequests, that one included, I put off until my second playthrough.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 29 juin 2012 - 04:08 .