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[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No. Alien Resurrection was a terrible movie.

Shhhh, we Alien fans pretend it doesn't exist.

[Ratham]

Yay, bob is back

[Reptilian Rob]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.

No, not life...The preservation of it. 

The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable. 

[Taboo]

Destroy is the only ending I can stomach. Surviving is the sacrifice. The moral dilemma of bearing the brunt of what you've done.

Unless your Shepard was a sociopath I don't think many are going to wake up feeling like sunshine and daises.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.

No, not life...The preservation of it. 

The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable. 

Why?

[CronoDragoon]

Destroy reminds me of Ender's Game. Shepard has to do terrible things to win a war, and he'll have to live with the guilt of what happened for the rest of his life. Perhaps, as per Ender, he'll dedicate the rest of his life to spreading the story of the geth and EDI so that people come to know them.

[Reptilian Rob]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.

No, not life...The preservation of it. 

The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable. 

Why?

That's the magic of life, and the qeustion that everyone wants answered. I would suggest joining a religion or becoming a cosmologist!

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 29 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[Jadebaby]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd still feel terrible.

Do people REALLY think that being alive and in a relationship will cure everything WRONG with this scenario.

THE ART. THE ARRRRRRRRRRT.

Says the same one that is now content he got his happy ending?

[MyChemicalBromance]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Destroy is the only ending I can stomach. Surviving is the sacrifice. The moral dilemma of bearing the brunt of what you've done.

Unless your Shepard was a sociopath I don't think many are going to wake up feeling like sunshine and daises.

I fail to see the major difference between Control and Destroy.

Either way you ignore the Catalyst's warnings, possibly setting up the galaxy for a future singularity. The only difference seems to be that the synthetics already exist in control, and thus "Destroy" may put off the singularity longer than control (of course, it depends on how long the Reapers hold out). And time isn't really relevant when compared to oblivion.

[Astartes Marine]

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Ridley Scott...

Ridley....Scott....

Ridley.........****ing.......Scott.......

Yes yes he did Alien.  It was great as well as Blackhawk Down, and Gladiator which were also good.  He also made Hannibal, Body of Lies, Robin Hood, American Gangster...which were the complete opposite of great.

Taboo-XX wrote...
No. Alien Resurrection was a terrible movie.

If we're going that far into the depths of the barrel journeying to the bottom then I'll see your Ress and raise you Battlefield Earth.

Fun fact-
As of Fox stating Aliens: Colonial Marines to be the official sequel to "The Alien Trilogy" (their exact words even, trilogy and not quadrilogy), Alien Resurrection is no longer considered a canon entry in the franchise.

It's been officially disowned.  And they say there is no justice in the world. <_<

[Reptilian Rob]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd still feel terrible.

Do people REALLY think that being alive and in a relationship will cure everything WRONG with this scenario.

THE ART. THE ARRRRRRRRRRT.

Says the same one that is now content he got his happy ending?

Just because we like it doesn't mean it's art or that it fixed everything it needed to. We like it, but we still see flaws. 

[Jadebaby]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.

No, not life...The preservation of it. 

The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable. 

Why?

That's the magic of life, and the qeustion that everyone wants answered. I would suggest joining a religion or becoming a cosmologist!

If Mass Effect foreshadowed this in their previous games. Then I would have accepted them willingly. They did not, and so therefore they do not belong in Mass Effect.

It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.

[Reptilian Rob]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Ridley Scott...

Ridley....Scott....

Ridley.........****ing.......Scott.......

Yes yes he did Alien.  It was great as well as Blackhawk Down, and Gladiator which were also good.  He also made Hannibal, Body of Lies, Robin Hood, American Gangster...which were the complete opposite of great.

Taboo-XX wrote...
No. Alien Resurrection was a terrible movie.

If we're going that far into the depths of the barrel journeying to the bottom then I'll see your Ress and raise you Battlefield Earth.

Fun fact-
As of Fox stating Aliens: Colonial Marines to be the official sequel to "The Alien Trilogy" (their exact words even, trilogy and not quadrilogy), Alien Resurrection is no longer considered a canon entry in the franchise.

It's been officially disowned.  And they say there is no justice in the world. <_<

You forgot Blade Runner, that makes up for everything and more. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 29 juin 2012 - 05:29 .

[Missy_MI]

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Because sometimes the writer likes to jarr their readers a bit for the sake of mixing up their narritive flow, I suppose. Many authors have done this, I mean Known Universe (a 20+ volume space opera) had it's last three books take a really weird and odd turn. However, it kept with the motifs and even though the flow and pace was changed the core narritive was still intact.

We'll have to agree to disagree where Mass Effect is concerned I suppose. I just feel that if we as players had been forced to make more choices like the one on Virmire in ME1, the ending options wouldn't have seemed so jarring.

Oh well. My crew seemed more or less the same personality-wise, even with their new freaky green eyes and random hexagon patterns. I'll just have to hope Synthesis was the best choice and not the abomination that so many people seem to think it is.

[CronoDragoon]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.

They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.

[Reptilian Rob]

Missy_MI wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Because sometimes the writer likes to jarr their readers a bit for the sake of mixing up their narritive flow, I suppose. Many authors have done this, I mean Known Universe (a 20+ volume space opera) had it's last three books take a really weird and odd turn. However, it kept with the motifs and even though the flow and pace was changed the core narritive was still intact.

We'll have to agree to disagree where Mass Effect is concerned I suppose. I just feel that if we as players had been forced to make more choices like the one on Virmire in ME1, the ending options wouldn't have seemed so jarring.

Oh well. My crew seemed more or less the same personality-wise, even with their new freaky green eyes and random hexagon patterns. I'll just have to hope Synthesis was the best choice and not the abomination that so many people seem to think it is.

Yeah, I respect that. I guess it all comes down to personal view points, as long as they are respecfully put out there. 

And Synthesis was a very big line to cross, but again this is war and you have to do what is nessasary to survive. 

[Taboo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd still feel terrible.

Do people REALLY think that being alive and in a relationship will cure everything WRONG with this scenario.

THE ART. THE ARRRRRRRRRRT.

Says the same one that is now content he got his happy ending?

Just because we like it doesn't mean it's art or that it fixed everything it needed to. We like it, but we still see flaws. 

Just because there IS happiness in my ending doesn't mean it's a happy ending. More than anything it fits my idea of what the series was.

My Shepard is going to have a very difficult time. Miranda can help, but that doesn't make it happy.

It's more bittersweet than anything.

[Astartes Marine]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
No. Alien Resurrection was a terrible movie.

If we're going that far into the depths of the barrel journeying to the bottom then I'll see your Ress and raise you Battlefield Earth.

Fun fact-
As of Fox stating Aliens: Colonial Marines to be the official sequel to "The Alien Trilogy" (their exact words even, trilogy and not quadrilogy), Alien Resurrection is no longer considered a canon entry in the franchise.

It's been officially disowned.  And they say there is no justice in the world. <_<

You forgot Blade Runner, that makes up for everything and more. 

Ahh yes, that is true.  Love that movie.  But all of his greatest stuff was from years past...I just don't think he's as good as he used to be. 

Take a second look at the Fun Fact section.  Guaranteed to make you smile.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.

No, not life...The preservation of it. 

The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable. 

Why?

That's the magic of life, and the qeustion that everyone wants answered. I would suggest joining a religion or becoming a cosmologist!

I fail to see the difference between cosmology and religion if you're attempting to divine ultimate meaning from cosmology.

When I asked "why?," I was asking you why life is inherently valuable. Why is anything valuable? That is not an answer waiting to be discovered, because humans invent the concept of value.

Some believe that value can be created (EDI's "Something greater"), but pure knowledge would have to exist for all time (since time is also a human construct). If it doesn't exist now, it doesn't exist.

[Jadebaby]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd still feel terrible.

Do people REALLY think that being alive and in a relationship will cure everything WRONG with this scenario.

THE ART. THE ARRRRRRRRRRT.

Says the same one that is now content he got his happy ending?

Just because we like it doesn't mean it's art or that it fixed everything it needed to. We like it, but we still see flaws. 

Flaws the writers should have seen themselves before they thought up such a crazy idea. If they had of just let the ending play out, you destroy the Reapers, then based on your EMS, paragon/renegade, paragade/renegon.. and your choices previously made. It will determine the success of the battle and Shepard's survival or death.

The presenting of those final 3 choices, and by the enemy no less. Negates all choices and decisions made before it.

Hey, I got the geth and quarians to make peace.. To bad the geth are f****ed anyway. Aren't Quarians partly synthetic too? Shouldn't they be dead?

[dreman9999]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Destroy reminds me of Ender's Game. Shepard has to do terrible things to win a war, and he'll have to live with the guilt of what happened for the rest of his life. Perhaps, as per Ender, he'll dedicate the rest of his life to spreading the story of the geth and EDI so that people come to know them.

Oh my god. I was thinking the same thing today.

[CronoDragoon]

Missy_MI wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Because sometimes the writer likes to jarr their readers a bit for the sake of mixing up their narritive flow, I suppose. Many authors have done this, I mean Known Universe (a 20+ volume space opera) had it's last three books take a really weird and odd turn. However, it kept with the motifs and even though the flow and pace was changed the core narritive was still intact.

We'll have to agree to disagree where Mass Effect is concerned I suppose. I just feel that if we as players had been forced to make more choices like the one on Virmire in ME1, the ending options wouldn't have seemed so jarring.

Oh well. My crew seemed more or less the same personality-wise, even with their new freaky green eyes and random hexagon patterns. I'll just have to hope Synthesis was the best choice and not the abomination that so many people seem to think it is.

I think it's safe to say that considering ME3's story as a standalone game, it wouldn't be a great surprise to have these kinds of endings. But after ME1 and ME2, where Shepard is basically space Jesus and can turn conflict into victory with a flick of the wrist, most people expected to be able to dictate the terms of their victory.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'd still feel terrible.

Do people REALLY think that being alive and in a relationship will cure everything WRONG with this scenario.

THE ART. THE ARRRRRRRRRRT.

Says the same one that is now content he got his happy ending?

Just because we like it doesn't mean it's art or that it fixed everything it needed to. We like it, but we still see flaws. 

Just because there IS happiness in my ending doesn't mean it's a happy ending. More than anything it fits my idea of what the series was.

My Shepard is going to have a very difficult time. Miranda can help, but that doesn't make it happy.

It's more bittersweet than anything.

I see it as both bittersweet and happy, everything is rebuilt save for the lives that were destroyed. The sad thing that I have to come to terms with in my Shep is what he did, and the billions of parents who lost kids and the billions of kids who lost parents...

[Jadebaby]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.

They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.

But they are presented by the enemy.

[Geneaux486]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.

The enemy did not design, build, connect, or fire the Crucible.  They're not the enemy's options, they're the options built into the thing by organics from previous cycles.