Jade8aby88 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.
They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.
But they are presented by the enemy.
True, but you at least have the option to nagotiate synthesis instead of imposing it. Weare leting organics and synthetic choose instead of just forcing it.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
I fail to see the major difference between Control and Destroy.Taboo-XX wrote...
Destroy is the only ending I can stomach. Surviving is the sacrifice. The moral dilemma of bearing the brunt of what you've done.
Unless your Shepard was a sociopath I don't think many are going to wake up feeling like sunshine and daises.
Either way you ignore the Catalyst's warnings, possibly setting up the galaxy for a future singularity. The only difference seems to be that the synthetics already exist in control, and thus "Destroy" may put off the singularity longer than control (of course, it depends on how long the Reapers hold out). And time isn't really relevant when compared to oblivion.
Taboo-XX wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.
They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.
But they are presented by the enemy.
He is merely a proxy. That is it.
Jade8aby88 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.
They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.
But they are presented by the enemy.
I said either or, which ever suits you best. I don't know if you have strong convictions with god or not, or if you are a universal man.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
I fail to see the difference between cosmology and religion if you're attempting to divine ultimate meaning from cosmology.Reptilian Rob wrote...
That's the magic of life, and the qeustion that everyone wants answered. I would suggest joining a religion or becoming a cosmologist!MyChemicalBromance wrote...
Why?Reptilian Rob wrote...
No, not life...The preservation of it.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.
The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable.
When I asked "why?," I was asking you why life is inherently valuable. Why is anything valuable? That is not an answer waiting to be discovered, because humans invent the concept of value.
Some believe that value can be created (EDI's "Something greater"), but pure knowledge would have to exist for all time (since time is also a human construct). If it doesn't exist now, it doesn't exist.
This justification doesn't make sense.dreman9999 wrote...
True, but you at least have the option to nagotiate synthesis instead of imposing it. Weare leting organics and synthetic choose instead of just forcing it.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
I fail to see the major difference between Control and Destroy.Taboo-XX wrote...
Destroy is the only ending I can stomach. Surviving is the sacrifice. The moral dilemma of bearing the brunt of what you've done.
Unless your Shepard was a sociopath I don't think many are going to wake up feeling like sunshine and daises.
Either way you ignore the Catalyst's warnings, possibly setting up the galaxy for a future singularity. The only difference seems to be that the synthetics already exist in control, and thus "Destroy" may put off the singularity longer than control (of course, it depends on how long the Reapers hold out). And time isn't really relevant when compared to oblivion.
Modifié par EnvyTB075, 29 juin 2012 - 05:40 .
If you cease living, the preservation of who you were in that body is gone and only those around you will hold record. Life is the ability to choose, and the ability to make those hard choices. Life is about love, caring, friendship, crying, laughing, screaming, anger, and all those other emotions we feel.EnvyTB075 wrote...
Squash all life into Reaper form destroys individuality and destroys whatever beauty life had. Preservation is not the same as living.
Its also what Seele wanted, the hell am i agreeing with those *******, ever.
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Life is about love, caring, friendship, crying, laughing, screaming, anger, and all those other emotions we feel.
Without those, life doesn't mean a thing. It's just the prepetuation of biological function. Life is about so much more, life is about experience and knowledge. It's about crying on somone's shoulder or someone crying on yours, laughing with someone and talking about well...Life.
It was about being alive the way you wanted, the way you felt was YOUR RIGHT!Taboo-XX wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Life is about love, caring, friendship, crying, laughing, screaming, anger, and all those other emotions we feel.
Without those, life doesn't mean a thing. It's just the prepetuation of biological function. Life is about so much more, life is about experience and knowledge. It's about crying on somone's shoulder or someone crying on yours, laughing with someone and talking about well...Life.
Bro. Bro. You're going to make me cry.
THIS is what Mass Effect was about.
Being alive.
Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 29 juin 2012 - 05:50 .
Exactly, You first have to understand what the enemies goal are and they are not to let Shepard control them or destroy them.Taboo-XX wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
CronoDragoon wrote...
Jade8aby88 wrote...
It is a good war time story ending to have morals take a sideline to survival. But in this case you're accepting the enemies options. Which you have no idea are coming.
They aren't the enemy's options. The Crucible changes the Catalyst, not the other way around.
But they are presented by the enemy.
He is merely a proxy. That is it.
Reptilian Rob wrote...
It was about being alive the way you wanted, the way you felt was YOUR RIGHT!Taboo-XX wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Life is about love, caring, friendship, crying, laughing, screaming, anger, and all those other emotions we feel.
Without those, life doesn't mean a thing. It's just the prepetuation of biological function. Life is about so much more, life is about experience and knowledge. It's about crying on somone's shoulder or someone crying on yours, laughing with someone and talking about well...Life.
Bro. Bro. You're going to make me cry.
THIS is what Mass Effect was about.
Being alive.
As Shepard, are you willing to take that away from them with Synthesis...So that they can survive? Are you willing to cross that fine...Fine line?
Men like us have to cross a fine line at somepoint...We can only hope we die, after crossing it. Because when you live through something, the culmination of what you did and the destruction you wrought...When someone asks how you survied...You didn't. The man you are is dead, and only the line remains.Taboo-XX wrote...
There are no winners in wars. Only victims.
A war lasts until a compromise is reached. And that usually means significant destruction of the opposing force.
Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 29 juin 2012 - 05:53 .
Of course there a reason, it's basicly mass indctrinations. The star child litterly tells you it changes how organics and synthetics think...The only dofference is the waht the reapers want to do is not sinister and the moral issue is that it's not force. Synthesis is basicly the same option to rewrite the heritic geth in Legions Mission only it includes everyone now.CronoDragoon wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
It was about being alive the way you wanted, the way you felt was YOUR RIGHT!Taboo-XX wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Life is about love, caring, friendship, crying, laughing, screaming, anger, and all those other emotions we feel.
Without those, life doesn't mean a thing. It's just the prepetuation of biological function. Life is about so much more, life is about experience and knowledge. It's about crying on somone's shoulder or someone crying on yours, laughing with someone and talking about well...Life.
Bro. Bro. You're going to make me cry.
THIS is what Mass Effect was about.
Being alive.
As Shepard, are you willing to take that away from them with Synthesis...So that they can survive? Are you willing to cross that fine...Fine line?
I don't like Synthesis, but I don't see how it prevents any of those things...
Yes, much better than Saving Private Ryan.Taboo-XX wrote...
Have you seen The Thin Red Line?
DEVASTATING.
Jade8aby88 wrote...
the 3 choices are not the galaxy winning on their terms, it is not Shepard winning on her/his terms, which breaks a massive theme established in the past two games.
I played ME1 because Shepard climbed out of that rubble.
I played ME2 because with enough work, you could ensure everyones survival, including your own.
I did not pay ME3 because I knew that no matter what I did, I could not win, just compromise.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I am doing a whole new run through of the series this weekend.
**** is going to get CRAZY.
It will be glorious.
Reptilian Rob wrote...
I said either or, which ever suits you best. I don't know if you have strong convictions with god or not, or if you are a universal man.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
I fail to see the difference between cosmology and religion if you're attempting to divine ultimate meaning from cosmology.Reptilian Rob wrote...
That's the magic of life, and the qeustion that everyone wants answered. I would suggest joining a religion or becoming a cosmologist!MyChemicalBromance wrote...
Why?Reptilian Rob wrote...
No, not life...The preservation of it.MyChemicalBromance wrote...
The problem with this statement is that you're assuming lives have value in the first place.
The preservation of the ability to induce and continue life at an individual level, or as it were the biological cycle in a natural form. That, is always valuable.
When I asked "why?," I was asking you why life is inherently valuable. Why is anything valuable? That is not an answer waiting to be discovered, because humans invent the concept of value.
Some believe that value can be created (EDI's "Something greater"), but pure knowledge would have to exist for all time (since time is also a human construct). If it doesn't exist now, it doesn't exist.
And like I said, that's the big question isn't it? But from the standpoint in the ME galaxy, it's valuable because it's what we fight for. It's purpose, it's drive and it's the love we feel towards each other.
In our reality? Pick a theory, god, M theory, big chill, big crunch, big rip, ever expanding or intervention ETC. Life is what you make of it, not what others make of it.
That's my main Shepard in a nut shell.Reptilian Rob wrote...
Men like us have to cross a fine line at somepoint...We can only hope we die, after crossing it. Because when you live through something, the culmination of what you did and the destruction you wrought...When someone asks how you survied...You didn't. The man you are is dead, and only the line remains.Taboo-XX wrote...
There are no winners in wars. Only victims.
A war lasts until a compromise is reached. And that usually means significant destruction of the opposing force.
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