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Smash is insane!! NERF it please.


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#151
Blind2Society

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Godzilla87 wrote...

I love the PA/PV. I thought smash was great before the buff. I can't agree that Smash should be nerfed but I think the cool down should be more than lash. I mean Smash is the damage power it should take longer to use. I believe right now with 200% cool down it's cooled down before the animation is over. I think they should switch the two's base cool down time.


Nah, because of the points I brought up in my above post I will have to disagree.

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it's powerful because it's a risky power to use.

pros: hits through walls, excellent for biotic explosions, can be super strong against armor if you choose the upgrade

cons: you have to pretty much stand still, assuring that enemies can get some good shots in at you. Also, its range is still not that great, forcing you get close to enemies (especially the more dangerous ones) to use it.

it doesn't need a nerf. at all.

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StarStruck010 wrote...

Mad Scientist wrote...

Here we go. Like I said in my previous posts, once nerf herders are done with TC, they will move onto something else. There you have it. Now smash is OP because it can hit through walls. Next they will complain that BE's do too much damage and so on, until game becomes a pain to play. GJ, Bioware, I applaud you for ruining your own game.


No, many of us "nerf herders" have looked at the math behind abilities such as Smash, and found them perfectly fine (aside from the questionable DR, which feels much weaker than heavy melee's DR and if is should actually be fixed). Now there are a few butthurt players that just got outscored (or whatever reason) that have no real support for why an ability needs to be changed.

Also, before you start slinging names around and attempting to be condescending, you should take a look at the rest of the changes proposed by the "nerf herders," GP was pretty hardline on nerfing/changing Krysae, and TC. Go read his Balance thread, and count the buffs.

Blind2Society wrote...

Dumbest thread on the BSN? Yeah, I think so.

At least in the top ten for sure.

 

I think you've just won the interwebz.

Sorry, I don't idolize other players because they post a lot and become known. It seems some people here look up to him as some sort of authority figure who's never wrong. I prefer to form my own opinions. TBH, my first reaction after trying Crysae on a MQI was "holy ****, this is way OP". Then I realized it made the game too easy and boring as long as it was used on an infiltrator, so I stopped using it. It was fine on other classes though. I figured most people would be reasonable and restrain themselves as I did.

But back to my original point. The reason I oppose all nerfs is because they are unnecessary. It's a co-op game, so you're not competing against others. If you insist something is OP, don't use it, it's that simple. And finally, if BW listens to all nerf requests, pretty soon we'll have players running this game and making all balance decisions for devs. And this spells doom for MP.

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Aiiro wrote...

it's powerful because it's a risky power to use.

pros: hits through walls, excellent for biotic explosions, can be super strong against armor if you choose the upgrade

cons: you have to pretty much stand still, assuring that enemies can get some good shots in at you. Also, its range is still not that great, forcing you get close to enemies (especially the more dangerous ones) to use it.

it doesn't need a nerf. at all.


Don't forget the second or two delay in its activation while it does its animation which leaves you completely open to taking shots. Which I would hate to see how bad you will die on gold if you are careless.

You pretty much have to set it up just right to use smash properly.

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Princess Rolf wrote...

BW need to remove the ability to smash trough walls. It´s utterly ridiculous that they just can stand totally safe behind a wall, and just spam Smash over and over. If they have TacScan from a MQ, then its even more stupid.


...that's the ONLY way it's truly usable.
Have you even tried the class? You should. It's not that simple, really.

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The only way I'd agree to smash not being able to hit through obstacles were if it offered heavy DR or invuln frames during its cast- and that's just trading a nerf for a buff.. seems pointless to me. Otherwise you need soft or hard cover to make it work on Gold, or ur dead meat.

#157
Bhaal___Spawn

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OP got outscored in a bronze game by one and now cries NERF. classic.

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Princess Rolf wrote...

BW need to remove the ability to smash trough walls. It´s utterly ridiculous that they just can stand totally safe behind a wall, and just spam Smash over and over. If they have TacScan from a MQ, then its even more stupid.




more crying  oh and shockwave go's through walls and has a longer range

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I can't believe this non-issue thread has 7 pages.

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Atheosis

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Smash is fine. Yes it's very powerful but it's limited range, extremely slow casting time, and lack of invulnerability frames keep it balanced.

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Yubz

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If anything it needs a buff, the slow casting time alone makes it a terrible ability.

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Princess Rolf wrote...

BW need to remove the ability to smash trough walls. It´s utterly ridiculous that they just can stand totally safe behind a wall, and just spam Smash over and over. If they have TacScan from a MQ, then its even more stupid.

However,without it  we would get killed so many times because we dont have any DR or invincibilty like nova.
If they put in some invincibility or even DR,I would be fine if they took out wall penetration because we could then survive outside of cover.

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How on earth has this thread gotten so many replies for such an inane topic? People really believe it's open nerf season after the TC nerf? It's not going to happen. There is no magical "now open pandoras box" where anything is going to get nerfed if 30 idiots +1 a thread . Get over the TC nerf and move on.

#164
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lol I had a conspiracy theorist in my lobby today, he says that its the BW that post these things on purpose to get the communities reaction.

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Princess Rolf wrote...

BW need to remove the ability to smash trough walls. It´s utterly ridiculous that they just can stand totally safe behind a wall, and just spam Smash over and over. If they have TacScan from a MQ, then its even more stupid.


Thats the whole point of teaming the two up + a shockwave adept.

Heres a lollipop 

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KuroFye

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try it on gold, think and repost.
(also you can shoot trough walls with any weapon and a penetration mod, lol)

#167
m4sterch3f

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alone the PA and PV are ok but add another adept and you have the hand of the ME gods on your side ridiculously powerful just have to use cover and play smart as any other character in the hands of a capable person yes you will all look like fools who cant score worth a blahh...... sorry but PA and PV are still my fav characters followed by the SE they do not repeat do not need to be nerffed you fool... thread is a waste of time and space figured I'd waste some more while I am at work lol

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steamcamel

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Shut. up.

Modifié par steamcamel, 30 juin 2012 - 09:41 .


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So, people have tried other characters after infiltrator nerf and found out they have powers equal to or better than cloak in some situations if played well? NERF ALL THE THINGS!!!1oneone.

Seriously, just play and try to have fun.

#170
Ub3rC0d3M0nk3y

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Let's just get it over with and face up to the fact this is the beginning of the end of MP.  Nerf it ALL!!!  :) 

If BW even entertains this ridiculous idea, I give MP 3 months until watching paint dry is more interesting and fun.  The lobbies will be empty.  I'll certainly be done that's for sure.

I think it's time to Posted Image this nerf thread.  No more replies would be the best response, IMHO.

#171
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Nerf it.
I hate that it shakes my "co-op" screen. Defeating the purpose of ever using or playing with a smash/lash character.

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Shockwave. Can work through the walls too. Exists from the beginning of the multiplayer. Gives one of most powerful biotic explosion. Has bugs.