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[Hackulator]

Zero132132 wrote...

Well, my RL solution to racism is racial interbreeding, so that ultimately, racial disparities won't exist. To be fair, that may just be an excuse, since I LOVE white women.

This isn't homogenization. It's ensuring that the differences we can bicker about are ones that actually have some substance to them, like our ideals, values, and whether or not we wear hats. It removes one variable that makes it easier to judge people by thing besides their merit as individuals.

The same, it seems, is true for synthesis. Takes away differences that form arbitrary barriers to peace, but individuality is maintained.

You might be my new favorite person on BSN,

[Zero132132]

Aylyese wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...


Then you don't have a solution, you have a wish. You wish people were better, that people wouldn't treat different people differently, and that familiarity (often with people that look similar to your family) wouldn't be the guide for how we decide to treat many.

If wanting something really bad worked, I'd be a billionaire, and I'd be married to [INSERT NAME OF ATTRACTIVE ACTRESS AND/OR MODEL]. Also, I'd live on Mars, because I'm a badass that way.

Sorry, I don't follow. Is this an argument for or against Synthesis?

Well, my RL solution to racism is racial interbreeding, so that ultimately, racial disparities won't exist. To be fair, that may just be an excuse, since I LOVE white women.

This isn't homogenization. It's ensuring that the differences we can bicker about are ones that actually have some substance to them, like our ideals, values, and whether or not we wear hats. It removes one variable that makes it easier to judge people by thing besides their merit as individuals.

The same, it seems, is true for synthesis. Takes away differences that form arbitrary barriers to peace, but individuality is maintained.

Ok, I am pretty sure that I don't need to mention that the Catalysts version of your solution to racisim would be incredibly horrific. You would never force interracial breeding upon humanity in quite the same way Synthesis is forced upon the universe. 

No. The Catalyst's solution, in the real world, would be to throw some space magic at humanity so that the genetic diversity was preserved, but the racial characteristics were basically reshuffled around until race, something that is essentially entirely superficial in biological terms, wasn't a thing. It would happen instantaneously, but it's true, no one would have a say.

No one would have to change how they live, either. At all. Except maybe KKK members and the like (hateful rallying doesn't work when you're part whateverhte****itis you hate), but if you don't think that people of other races are people, I don't particularly mind that you feel you've been turned into some horrible inhuman monstrosity.

That's the important distinction; nobody actually has to change the way they live. If my personal solution was forced onto humanity, then MANY people would have to change how they lived, and they would no longer have any agency over who they get to have children with.

[yourmotha]

 I know people hate the Synthesis ending but I thought it was the best out of them all and now with the extended cut even better. I loved how the Geth didn't have to perish or be controlled to do whatever. I loved how everyone where combined as one and they all had human DNA and the Reapers ended up as really friendly. I loved the ending where Shepard's romance hugs EDI this made me cry the most, she is so greatful to Shepard for giving her this chance to continue unharmed. I know she is alive in the Controll ending but if you think about it, watch carefully it's turning you into a husk I think one of the least repsectful endings I know people wanted to see Shepard alive in a form as well and that's why the chose it but I accept that my Shepard is dead because that is how it was originally supposed to be. 

[Aylyese]

Zero132132 wrote...

No. The Catalyst's solution, in the real world, would be to throw some space magic at humanity so that the genetic diversity was preserved, but the racial characteristics were basically reshuffled around until race, something that is essentially entirely superficial in biological terms, wasn't a thing. It would happen instantaneously, but it's true, no one would have a say.

No one would have to change how they live, either. At all. Except maybe KKK members and the like (hateful rallying doesn't work when you're part whateverhte****itis you hate), but if you don't think that people of other races are people, I don't particularly mind that you feel you've been turned into some horrible inhuman monstrosity.

That's the important distinction; nobody actually has to change the way they live. If my personal solution was forced onto humanity, then MANY people would have to change how they lived, and they would no longer have any agency over who they get to have children with.

Ah yes.. Space magic.

I think you may have phrased that last line poorly. 

However, forcing it like that is still not the solution. It would create far more anger, resentment and hate than it would solve. Forcing us all to be the same is just a more extreme form of racism anyway. 

I like to hope that one day we will evolve to the point where we all accept that we are the human race, no matter what colour our skin is or what shape our eyes are. If we cannot achieve it without fundamentally changing every single race on the planet, then we didn't learn anything and we are dumber for the solution.

[3DandBeyond]

Hackulator wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Well, my RL solution to racism is racial interbreeding, so that ultimately, racial disparities won't exist. To be fair, that may just be an excuse, since I LOVE white women.

This isn't homogenization. It's ensuring that the differences we can bicker about are ones that actually have some substance to them, like our ideals, values, and whether or not we wear hats. It removes one variable that makes it easier to judge people by thing besides their merit as individuals.

The same, it seems, is true for synthesis. Takes away differences that form arbitrary barriers to peace, but individuality is maintained.

You might be my new favorite person on BSN,

This is a childish mentality and precisely one of the things wrong with Synthesis.  I for one don't believe that people are too stupid to ever learn to work together with those that are different from themselves.

This concept also is what miscegenation is all about-it has been used on both sides of the racism issue.  Some saw it as the only way to achieve racial peace, others as the goal of the "lesser" races and thus anti-miscegenation laws were created to prevent inter-racial marriage and the like.  It is abhorrent and well, dumb.  I'm not saying someone who picks Synthesis is dumb, but the idea that we all have to be alike to get along, is.

So, in Synthesis everyone in this galaxy become very alike but their "identities" and preferences and biases remain intact.  Immortality happens, the population explodes.  Problem.  Some intrepid explorer who doesn't look like anyone in the galaxy and who has not been perfected (whatever the hell that means), enters the galaxy.  He is different.  He is not one of us.  He has not been synthesized.  Someone may object to this and may kill him and may then decide there's a problem because other people who have not been synthesized do exist.  There is no balance and harmony for them.

Of course this is speculation, but one thing is not.  This poll indicates at least one person would be opposed to being synthesized.  That means 2 things.  It would be morally wrong to do it.  And, at least in my country, it would not be legal to do it.  It's an assault.  If I were a doctor and operated on you without your consent (implied or direct) I have committed an assault.  Shepard has neither implied nor direct consent, since all anyone except TIM ever wanted to do was destroy the reapers.  Synthesis doesn't do that.  Besides, it is still what the warped AI kid wants to have happen. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:44 .

[3DandBeyond]

If Synthesis meant that everyone would end up looking like husks or banshees or cannibals and so on, would it still seem just great?

The reason people pick control or synthesis is because they aren't looking at longterm effects and short term meaning.

They think because the only person who dies or changes is Shepard that these are great options. Synthesis is what the kid wants-that alone means it's suspect and probably bad. It isn't the end process of evolution because people don't evolve to get there. It's also forced upon people. That makes it wrong. There's no two ways about it. It's also an easy fix and the solution to a problem that only exists because the kid exists.

Control was TIM's choice and the music and Shepard's speech are dark and ominous. Reapers are alive with people goo in them. No one would like that. Shepard surely wouldn't. It's also an easy solution to a problem that only exists because the kid exists.

[Hackulator]

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