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[Ryzaki]

Hell no.

That b**** better pick Destroy.

[essarr71]

Bfler wrote...

No. I am in favor of natural evolution and synthesis is something forced.

This. A major theme of the series is that the practice doesnt end well.  Synthesis is a very awesome selection if you dont think or pay attention, tho. 

[SuperVulcan]

I'd kill Sgepard or die trying. You know if I couldn't convince him/her.

Modifié par SuperVulcan, 29 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[ashwind]

Conrad Verner: If it is good enough for Commander Shepard! It should be good enough for you!

[LiarasShield]

Saying everybody needs to be the same or saying that free will must be altered for peace is not something i will ever go along with everyone has green eyes now everyone has computers or technology synthesized into their bodies now no I like being different I like having a free mind and I like not being a machine or working with the reapers after they've killed so many catalyst or not doesn't change the fact they killed so many people

It is like serial killers saying god made me do it it isn't acceptable

[Aylyese]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Yes. It allows the most potential for not only yourself, but everyone.

but any sense of being you might be erased or the thought of everybody has to be the same to have peace it isn't worth it I'd rather die and have free will and be me and not be part machine then to be the same and work with the monsters that have been killing us not jsut 10 minutes ago

Personalities remain intact. This is proved by the EC.

Everyone isn't the same. Asari are still different from Humans. Humans are still different from Geth. Just now organics are able to experience synthetic traits (altering code, uploading), and synthetics can experience organics (emotions, impules).

Free will remains. There will likely still be conflict, but hopefully it's just arguments and not wars.

The Reapers don't deserve death. They were forced to harvest by the Catalyst. I'm willing to kill the Catalyst, but not the Reapers.

All hindsight. Opinion based hindsight at that. Cannot factor into the decision. The decision must be made based upon the information given to Shepard by the Catalyst, and verbatim is a best case scenario.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Wrong everyone has green eyes now everyone is part machine or has computers inside their minds their bodies for the most part may look different but they have essentially became all the same hence why everyone is so peaceful it is not worth it

Everyone has computers inside of their minds? That's a very ignorant statement. I'd like to say it's not quite that simple. Just like synthetics, organics have code now. This allows them to do things that were once exclusive to synthetics.

There will still be conflicts of opinions because not everyone is the same. They aren't.

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

[Sisterofshane]

Reorte wrote...

IF I was convinced it wasn't some sort of trick, and only affecting me, then possibly although if it had to be a spur of the moment thing with no information then probably not. And this is from someone who despises Synthesis.

Key statement right here.

Even if Shepard could have gotten the majority of the known galaxy to agree to Synthesis, there are still those civilizations that are not yet discovered that would be subjected to it.  The Catalyst itself even says that it doesn't work if it is forced upon those who are net yet ready for it.  The entire Mass Effect series is littered with evidence of what happens when an individual or a species is uplifted before it is culturally ready (EDI, the Krogan, the Yahg).

So, again, if this were a deliberative process, I would play devil's advocate and represent all of the species not yet known to the Galaxy, and I would say "No, we [the ENTIRE GALAXY] are not ready."

[Baronesa]

LiarasShield wrote...

Saying everybody needs to be the same or saying that free will must be altered for peace is not something i will ever go along with everyone has green eyes now everyone has computers or technology synthesized into their bodies now no I like being different I like having a free mind and I like not being a machine or working with the reapers after they've killed so many catalyst or not doesn't change the fact they killed so many people

It is like serial killers saying god made me do it it isn't acceptable

^^^^^^
THIS!!!

[Apocaleepse360]

I'm the sort of guy who would be first in line for augmentations if they ever started doing them, so for me, yes. Can't say the same for everyone else, though.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Saying everybody needs to be the same or saying that free will must be altered for peace is not something i will ever go along with everyone has green eyes now everyone has computers or technology synthesized into their bodies now no I like being different I like having a free mind and I like not being a machine or working with the reapers after they've killed so many catalyst or not doesn't change the fact they killed so many people

It is like serial killers saying god made me do it it isn't acceptable

Well, I don't agree with the death sentence either, so there we go.

Just because someone has done terribly immoral acts before does not mean they will not become a productive member of society.

[LiarasShield]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Wrong everyone has green eyes now everyone is part machine or has computers inside their minds their bodies for the most part may look different but they have essentially became all the same hence why everyone is so peaceful it is not worth it

Everyone has computers inside of their minds? That's a very ignorant statement. I'd like to say it's not quite that simple. Just like synthetics, organics have code now. This allows them to do things that were once exclusive to synthetics.

There will still be conflicts of opinions because not everyone is the same. They aren't.

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

Synthesis is saying that everyone has to be synthetic in order to have peace that is garbage and balony you support the reapers after they've killed so many just because of the catalyst not controlingt them anymore their still murders


Again it is like a serial killer killing everybody because god told them to would you support these guys to no it seems like your supporting murders I don't

No justification of killing millions would satisfie

[Welsh Inferno]

LiarasShield wrote...

Wrong everyone has green eyes now everyone is part machine or has computers inside their minds their bodies for the most part may look different but they have essentially became all the same hence why everyone is so peaceful it is not worth it

Those are cosmetic changes. You know we could go around our world right now spray painting every single person on the planets hair orange. ZOMG WERE ALL THE SAME...

Asari are now half Asari half Synth
Humans are now half Human half Synth
Geth are now Half Synth half Organic
And so on...

We are not all the goddamn same.


Oh and just cause: We are all computers now. Organic computers. But thats a completely differerent topic.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 29 juin 2012 - 04:19 .

[Jamie9]

Aylyese wrote...

All hindsight. Opinion based hindsight at that. Cannot factor into the decision. The decision must be made based upon the information given to Shepard by the Catalyst, and verbatim is a best case scenario.

Well, the Catalyst does specifically state in his dialogue that organics will get technology (synthetic abilities) and synthetics will get organic abilities.

That's all before you jump into the beam.

[Aylyese]

Crasher027 wrote...
 If a cure was created for cancer that would alter the base of DNA to make it possible... Would it be evil to disperse that through the atmosphere/weather system so everyone on earth was made to be effected?  

Heck yes. You can offer people to come in off the street and get innoculated or whatever, but you cannot just spread it around the world on everyone. Some people may be deathly allergic to an ingredient and airborne dispersal kills them. A horrifying, unforseen side effect may develop in 20 years time, you had no right to subject every single person to it against their will.

You can pretty it up as a cancer cure on the advertising campaign, most people would probably take it voluntarily - but it will always be wrong to foist it on everyone without their permission. 

[Joe Del Toro]

Shepard: Joe.
Joe: Shepard.
Shepard: So ah...Catalyst just dropped kind of a bombshell.
Joe: What is it, big guy.
Shepard: Well he says that...in order to bring peace, I have to do something called Synthesis.
Joe: What's that, like, a yoga thing?
Shepard: Nah, nah. It's like, we have to merge with synthetics-
Joe: Gonna stop you right there.
Shepard: No listen. We become one with synthetics, which turns us green, and then the Reapers will be our friends.
Joe: Why green
Shepard: I don't know.
Joe: Why would we want to be friends with Reapers? They're pricks. Not to mention you're..kinda going against everyone's basic rights there man.
Shepard: Well you know, we fight or-
Joe: -we die, yes.
Shepard: So, should I go for it?
Joe: What the-no. No. Of course not.
Shepard: Aight. 
 

[Satirist]

brains are just organic computers anyway. don't really understand why so many ppl make such a fuss about synthesis.
and in reality, by 2186 all our children will be genetically engineered and optimized in-vitro-beings.

Modifié par theSatirist, 29 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

I'm the sort of guy who would be first in line for augmentations if they ever started doing them, so for me, yes. Can't say the same for everyone else, though.

Augmentations is a far cry from having you individuality taken away.

[LiarasShield]

and your right to a extent maybe if someone killed one or two people and truely felt sorry about it maybe they can change but the reapers after killing millions of lives for millions of years I'm sorry it shows to me that either the reapers can't change or it is too dangerous to leave it up in the air for them to

[BatmanPWNS]

Nope, I'd shoot the tube before he can decide.

[Aylyese]

Jamie9 wrote...

Aylyese wrote...

All hindsight. Opinion based hindsight at that. Cannot factor into the decision. The decision must be made based upon the information given to Shepard by the Catalyst, and verbatim is a best case scenario.

Well, the Catalyst does specifically state in his dialogue that organics will get technology (synthetic abilities) and synthetics will get organic abilities.

That's all before you jump into the beam.

True, but that is not enough information to base this decision on, and that is only for myself and my kids because yes, this gets far more complex for parents.

[zambot]

Heck yeah! He offered the equivalent of lollipops and unicorn balloons to everyone! With Peace! I don't know why people are head canoning zombies.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Synthesis is saying that everyone has to be synthetic in order to have peace that is garbage and balony you support the reapers after they've killed so many just because of the catalyst not controlingt them anymore their still murders

Again it is like a serial killer killing everybody because god told them to would you support these guys to no it seems like your supporting murders I don't

No justification of killing millions would satisfie

I believe that organics and synthetics can get along peacefully, regardless. Rannoch proved that in my save.

Synthesis only provides more opportunity for both sides. There are still differences so if they wanted to fight, they could certainly find a reason to do so.

I wouldn't murder that person, no. I'd have them rehabilitated. Murder is wrong unless in self-defence. However, if you are able to "disarm" an opponent, rather than killing them, you should.

I'm sorry you need revenge to satisfy yourself. Killing more people doesn't help. It's not justice.

[Knubbsal]

Yes, world peace.

Jamie9 wrote...Murder is wrong unless in self-defence.

Murder is wrong by definition: It implies intention. You mean manslaughter or in general killing a human.

Modifié par Knubbsal, 29 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[Vigilant111]

Joe Del Toro wrote...


Shepard: Joe.
Joe: Shepard.
Shepard: So ah...Catalyst just dropped kind of a bombshell.
Joe: What is it, big guy.
Shepard: Well he says that...in order to bring peace, I have to do something called Synthesis.
Joe: What's that, like, a yoga thing?
Shepard: Nah, nah. It's like, we have to merge with synthetics-
Joe: Gonna stop you right there.
Shepard: No listen. We become one with synthetics, which turns us green, and then the Reapers will be our friends.
Joe: Why green
Shepard: I don't know.
Joe: Why would we want to be friends with Reapers? They're pricks. Not to mention you're..kinda going against everyone's basic rights there man.
Shepard: Well you know, we fight or-
Joe: -we die, yes.
Shepard: So, should I go for it?
Joe: What the-no. No. Of course not.
Shepard: Aight. 
 

Joe u are not Shepard's dad