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[LiarasShield]

So no I don't support us having to be synthetics or essentially us having to be the same for us to have peace no it will never happen

[Jamie9]

Aylyese wrote...

True, but that is not enough information to base this decision on, and that is only for myself and my kids because yes, this gets far more complex for parents.

Well, I'm not a parent yet, though I do hope to be some day. I understand how your views would change upon having children. You have to become more selfless for your children. You have to look after them above indulging your own goals.

When I pick synthesis, I do it because I feel it provides the most good to the most people.

[LiarasShield]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Synthesis is saying that everyone has to be synthetic in order to have peace that is garbage and balony you support the reapers after they've killed so many just because of the catalyst not controlingt them anymore their still murders

Again it is like a serial killer killing everybody because god told them to would you support these guys to no it seems like your supporting murders I don't

No justification of killing millions would satisfie

I believe that organics and synthetics can get along peacefully, regardless. Rannoch proved that in my save.

Synthesis only provides more opportunity for both sides. There are still differences so if they wanted to fight, they could certainly find a reason to do so.

I wouldn't murder that person, no. I'd have them rehabilitated. Murder is wrong unless in self-defence. However, if you are able to "disarm" an opponent, rather than killing them, you should.

I'm sorry you need revenge to satisfy yourself. Killing more people doesn't help. It's not justice.

Yet letting the monsters who killed trillions of people live is justice you seriously gotta be kiding me ?

[LiarasShield]

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

[alizrak]

No.

Our DNA partially dictates the way or brain works. How we feel, how we react. Change a little of that chemistry and you might behave like someone else.

Let's imagine I was the one soldier who was being attacked by the husk at the ending. The wave hits us, we stumble and the husk looks around confused. I'm partially glowing green too. In that second, I'd blow his brains out. What would make them think that because we are the same I'm going to stop killing them? Is not like I can bring all my friends/family back as some kind of AI/synthetics, right? They are gone... they took them away from me and I'm gonna make them pay.

[Mezantine]

Jamie9 wrote...


I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yet letting the monsters who killed trillions of people live is justice you seriously gotta be kiding me ?

If there's a way to rehabilitate the Reapers, hell yes I'll take it. Killing someone should never be the solution. Showing compassion, even in the face of all what they've done (unvoluntarily, mind you), shows a better human being.

I'll compare it to Shepard. He/She was forced to shoot Anderson by TIM. But did Shepard murder Anderson? No, TIM did.

The Reapers didn't muder the trillions of beings from each Cycle. The Catalyst did.

[Welsh Inferno]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yet letting the monsters who killed trillions of people live is justice you seriously gotta be kiding me ?

You mean the ones that were constructed against their will and have been controlled to do so by an emotionless AI following its purpose?

[Fiery Phoenix]

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd rather he shot me

Yup.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

I'd want to tear you apart. But I wouldn't. Because my son or daughter hopefully wouldn't want me to do that. I'm unlikely to be friends with you, but yes, if you could change, I'd let you live.

[Satirist]

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

not sure where you live, but that's the reason why most countries have an independant jurisdiction.
victims are usually not the best person to judge on those matters.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

If you enforce peace on a culture, its not really peace its a dictatorship.

[LiarasShield]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

I'd want to tear you apart. But I wouldn't. Because my son or daughter hopefully wouldn't want me to do that. I'm unlikely to be friends with you, but yes, if you could change, I'd let you live.

How or even why if I did that I wouldn't deserve your forgiveness nor would I expect it from you so why would still do that I just don't understand

[Sisterofshane]

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

The fact that you feel this way makes sense.

In a post-Reaper world where there are still Reapers present, you are going to have a lot of anger and resentment.  This part of it really isn't shown in the EC - they assume that the Reapers will automatically get along with everyone and voluntarily help to rebuild society.  I find it odd that more people didn't seek retribution (we see with EDI that emotions like sorrow are still there).

So I, again, will chalk it up to the fact that, post-synthesis, some sort of mental conditioning takes place.  I think it has to do with suddenly being connected to everyone.  If you can live with that happening (or rather, you can die with a clean conscience), then go ahead and jump into the beam.

[Jamie9]

Mezantine wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.
My princicples are still in tact. 

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

I know the Catalyst calls it the "pinnacle of evolution", but that doesn't actually exist. So I don't think synthesis stagnates evolution. The species will still need to adapt to their environments, therefore evolution will still take place.

The races remain different. The Krogan still remember what the Krogan are - they still hold Krogan ideals. Just now they have more opportunity to achieve that which they thought impossible in their life times.

Each person can choose, just like before, what they want to do to feel satisfied in life. Do they want to build cities? Do they want to raise children? Do they want to fall in love?

Nothing is changed and yet the restrictions of life are taken off. It's sci-fi, after all.

[LiarasShield]

Jamie9 wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.
My princicples are still in tact. 

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

I know the Catalyst calls it the "pinnacle of evolution", but that doesn't actually exist. So I don't think synthesis stagnates evolution. The species will still need to adapt to their environments, therefore evolution will still take place.

The races remain different. The Krogan still remember what the Krogan are - they still hold Krogan ideals. Just now they have more opportunity to achieve that which they thought impossible in their life times.

Each person can choose, just like before, what they want to do to feel satisfied in life. Do they want to build cities? Do they want to raise children? Do they want to fall in love?

Nothing is changed and yet the restrictions of life are taken off. It's sci-fi, after all.

How do you know that for sure none of us do it looks like mostly everybody is the same now instead of what you're proposing and why would you forgive me if I killed a love one of yours even if I was sorry I wouldn't deserve that forgiveness nor would I expect it from it doesn't make any sense why you would forgive me

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

I'd want to tear you apart. But I wouldn't. Because my son or daughter hopefully wouldn't want me to do that. I'm unlikely to be friends with you, but yes, if you could change, I'd let you live.

How or even why if I did that I wouldn't deserve your forgiveness nor would I expect it from you so why would still do that I just don't understand

Who am I to take your life away? Just because you did it, doesn't suddenly give me the right to take your life away. I'm willing to forgive, because that is the best thing you can do.

Revenge wouldn't help me sleep at night.

Do you truly not understand my thought process?

[akana-may]

Heh... people looking for democracy in WAR with reapers??? Even ancient greeks known that they have to suspend democracy in time of crisis. When storm comes there is no time to debate who should man the helm...

BTW if you think we have real democracy these days... i wish you sweet dreaming ;-)

Ending is all about: I dont know what is right to do, I dont know if I have right informations to choose, but i still HAVE TO choose.. NOW.. or never.....

[LiarasShield]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

lets put this way if I killed your son or daughter would honestly let me live after killing him or her even if I was sorry?

I'd want to tear you apart. But I wouldn't. Because my son or daughter hopefully wouldn't want me to do that. I'm unlikely to be friends with you, but yes, if you could change, I'd let you live.

How or even why if I did that I wouldn't deserve your forgiveness nor would I expect it from you so why would still do that I just don't understand

Who am I to take your life away? Just because you did it, doesn't suddenly give me the right to take your life away. I'm willing to forgive, because that is the best thing you can do.

Revenge wouldn't help me sleep at night.

Do you truly not understand my thought process?

In sense you remind me of vash do know of the anime trigun?

[Mr.House]

Jamie9 wrote...

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

Collectors.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

No. I'm all for transhumanism, but as a voluntary choice in the manner which I see fit, not a generalized mind-meld I know nothing of.

It reminds me of the concept of Unity, and the Metapsychic Rebellion in the Galactic Milieu series.

[Reorte]

Mezantine wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...


I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

Mine are because I didn't impose something on trillions to save a few. Chosing synthesis to save the geth is, at best, like killing a thousand people to save your kids. Understandable but in the cold, hard light of reason the greater evil.

I wish people would also drop this nonsense about getting the geth killed being genocide unless you made the decision to go with Destroy (or back on Rannoch) because you wanted them dead. Genocide requires intent to be genocide. Some large-scaled equivalent of manslaughter is what it is at worst.

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

A fact that will inevitably doom any planet where the life isn't advanced enough to make significant changes to its environment. There's no such thing as perfection; evolution is about adaption, not advancement although sometimes greater complexity and interest can come out of that.

[LiarasShield]

This man from this anime believed what you believed jamie in trying to save everybody without killing anyone but because of that he constantly suffered severe injuries or lost alot of good people in the attempt of saving them until he was forced to kill someone to save the important people close to him

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

In sense you remind me of vash do know of the anime trigun?

I've heard of it but can't say I'm familiar with any of it's characters. Is he crazy too? 

[Mezantine]

Jamie9 wrote...

Mezantine wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.
My princicples are still in tact. 

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

I know the Catalyst calls it the "pinnacle of evolution", but that doesn't actually exist. So I don't think synthesis stagnates evolution. The species will still need to adapt to their environments, therefore evolution will still take place.

The races remain different. The Krogan still remember what the Krogan are - they still hold Krogan ideals. Just now they have more opportunity to achieve that which they thought impossible in their life times.

Each person can choose, just like before, what they want to do to feel satisfied in life. Do they want to build cities? Do they want to raise children? Do they want to fall in love?

Nothing is changed and yet the restrictions of life are taken off. It's sci-fi, after all.

If something is the
pinnacle
of evolution then there is no more evolution. Evolution is over when it has reached its pinnacle as that is the only way one can interpret such a statement. There will be no more evoling. The infinite possibilites once present in the universe for the species in the Milky Way have been sacrficed.

How many Korgan ideals can they hang on to when all knowledge is shared between species including reapers? If everyone is sharing experiences and memories everything will become mixed together in their consciousness and eventually who they were will simply be forgotten, simply to be replaced by this new collective consciousness. That is how the every lasting peace is achieved, you remove from the organics their sense of identity otherwise synthesis is meaningless.

And whilst i agree that each person can choose, remember that everyone will now be a eternal being who has essentially a shared consciousness with all other species. All there choices will simply be on in the same as the lack any identity. All civilization in the Milky Way will simply be a uniformed style and culture based on their shared consciousness.