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[Ravereth]

If i were in the ME universe i would be Maruder Shields

[vixvicco]

LiarasShield wrote...

just can't sacrifice my principles shepard would have to kill me first because i'm not gonna be part machine or be the same as everybody else it just wont happen

[BigGuy28]

No, I don't want to become a horrifying mutant and have everything that I am completely changed. Plus there is that whole living forever thing that is hinted at and that sounds incredibly boring.

[Bomma72]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yet letting the monsters who killed trillions of people live is justice you seriously gotta be kiding me ?

You mean the ones that were constructed against their will and have been controlled to do so by an emotionless AI following its purpose?

He is "an AI in as much as Shepard is an animal" (he doesn't give himself the lack of self determination , so why do you.)

[Joe Del Toro]

The whole 'Destroy is Genocide' thing kills me. Sorry, how many people have you killed throughout all three games to get there? But suddenly killing lots of people makes you squeamish. Aight.

[Jamie9]

Mezantine wrote...

If something is the
pinnacle
of evolution then there is no more evolution. Evolution is over when it has reached its pinnacle as that is the only way one can interpret such a statement. There will be no more evoling. The infinite possibilites once present in the universe for the species in the Milky Way have been sacrficed.

How many Korgan ideals can they hang on to when all knowledge is shared between species including reapers? If everyone is sharing experiences and memories everything will become mixed together in their consciousness and eventually who they were will simply be forgotten, simply to be replaced by this new collective consciousness. That is how the every lasting peace is achieved, you remove from the organics their sense of identity otherwise synthesis is meaningless.

And whilst i agree that each person can choose, remember that everyone will now be a eternal being who has essentially a shared consciousness with all other species. All there choices will simply be on in the same as the lack any identity. All civilization in the Milky Way will simply be a uniformed style and culture based on their shared consciousness.

If I thought what you've just described was true, I certainly wouldn't pick synthesis. There is no pinnacle of evolution. That is a contradiction of terms.

As long as their is environment, there is evolution.

If everybody became the same person, I wouldn't pick it. This was my biggest gripe with Synthesis pre-EC. You didn't see your companions being themselves.

I saw Liara cry over my death. She's still Liara.

I compare it to the Geth. Once the Reaper upgrades are implemented, each Geth is a sentient being, having their own values and views on life. But they are also able to upload themselves to the Consensus and experience other's points of view.

That's how I view Synthesis. If everyone was uniform, I wouldn't pick it. Diversity is good.

[Giggles_Manically]

No.

Nor would I forgive them for letting the Reapers get away with their crimes.
Nor would I forgive Shepard for deciding how I must live.

I picked destroy so that there would be no more reapers and that people could decide their own fate.
I will have a Shepard pick Control, since even control is not as offensive as Synthesis.

You are STILL DOING EXACTLY what the Reapers want in Synthesis.
So I wont pick it.

[Merwanor]

Mezantine wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...


I, for one, am glad I never had to commit genocide. If you picked Destroy, you committed genocide twice. Once for the Geth, and once for the Reapers.

My princicples are still in tact. 

But instead of commiting genocide against one race you committed it against every race. You destroyed the biological uniqueness of every race by picking synthesis. Humanity, Asari, Krogan etc don't exist anymore because you destroyed their DNA. You robbed them of their evolutionary / biological future by demanding that they must all become what is in essence the same species. Sure the Krogan will still look different from a Salarian, but now the future of both the species is simply set in stone. What they are now they always will be and will remain for eternity. They will never change, develope, evole in ways uniqe to their biological makeup because you forced all species to wear the same shoes.

Honestly really think about what Synthesis represents. There will never be any evolution of species in the Milky Way Galaxy, everything there will remain the same for eternity.

I really don't get where people get the notion that synthesis makes
everyone the same. A pig and human share about 80 percent of the same
dna, a chimp and a human share about 99 percent of the same DNA, yet we are so different.

Synthesis just adds to the DNA allready there, yes we have changed
but we still retain our uniqueness. And how do you know it is the end of evolution, because the catalyst said it is the pinacle of evolution?
Yes perhaps it is for the AI, because it can't think further. To even say that something is the pinnacle of evolution is ignorant, as no one can say for certain that there is an end to evolution. Because there is nothing like a perfect being. Evolution would still matter, life adapts itself.

EDIT:

I agree with Jamie9, before I hated the synthesis ending, because i thought we would all become the same. But from what little information we get, that is not the case now. What the synthesis may do is grant us a kind of hub of knowledge, we can access at will. Is that not just a more advanced internett? a hub of knowledge open to everyone.

Modifié par Merwanor, 29 juin 2012 - 04:51 .

[phat0817]

Wasn't that Saren's idea all along?

[Bomma72]

Revenge wouldn't help me sleep at night.

Do you truly not understand my thought process?

Revenge and Justice are two different things.  Those who died deserve Justice.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

This man from this anime believed what you believed jamie in trying to save everybody without killing anyone but because of that he constantly suffered severe injuries or lost alot of good people in the attempt of saving them until he was forced to kill someone to save the important people close to him

It's almost an idealistic point of view, I can admit. I have experience death. One of my closest friends committed suicide not 20 minutes after I had spoken to them.

I hope to always hold ideals of peace and forgiveness. If I ever give them up, then I have lived too long.

[Bomma72]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

This man from this anime believed what you believed jamie in trying to save everybody without killing anyone but because of that he constantly suffered severe injuries or lost alot of good people in the attempt of saving them until he was forced to kill someone to save the important people close to him

It's almost an idealistic point of view, I can admit. I have experience death. One of my closest friends committed suicide not 20 minutes after I had spoken to them.

I hope to always hold ideals of peace and forgiveness. If I ever give them up, then I have lived too long.

Peace and forgiveness are not real at the cost of self determination.  There is much Peace in slavery.

[Jamie9]

Bomma72 wrote...

Revenge wouldn't help me sleep at night.

Do you truly not understand my thought process?

Revenge and Justice are two different things.  Those who died deserve Justice.

Well, revenge implies personal investment, whereas justice does not.

But my point was that I don't view killing someone as justice. If you have to kill someone, you've lost as much as them.

I know, as Shepard, you kill hundreds of thousands of people. But if there was some way to avoid it I would. I've only ever killed in self-defence (every combat in the game) or for the good of all (Arrival).

[LiarasShield]

Jamie watch the anime trigun their is alot of silyl stuff in it but vash believes in peace and that all life is sacred like you do I think you may enjoy it

[Aloren]

It's ironical how some people complain that you cannot save the geth and EDI with the destroy ending even though they're sentient, alive ; and it's a genocide, bioware is evil etc, but they'd still rather die than being a little like them in order to save them... That's an interesting reaction

[Jamie9]

Bomma72 wrote...

Peace and forgiveness are not real at the cost of self determination.  There is much Peace in slavery.

Yet slavery is wrong. In synthesis, I do not believe people are enslaved. The Reapers are in Control, however.

[Mezantine]

Jamie9 wrote...

If I thought what you've just described was true, I certainly wouldn't pick synthesis. There is no pinnacle of evolution. That is a contradiction of terms.

As long as their is environment, there is evolution.

If everybody became the same person, I wouldn't pick it. This was my biggest gripe with Synthesis pre-EC. You didn't see your companions being themselves.

I saw Liara cry over my death. She's still Liara.

I compare it to the Geth. Once the Reaper upgrades are implemented, each Geth is a sentient being, having their own values and views on life. But they are also able to upload themselves to the Consensus and experience other's points of view.

That's how I view Synthesis. If everyone was uniform, I wouldn't pick it. Diversity is good.

Then reevaluate your preconception of synthesis because that is your future. You can try to reinterpret 'pinnacale of evolution' as not meaning pinnacle of evolution, but that just seems misguided. You have forced all species both biological and synthetic to follow one evolutionary path for eternity. Sure Liara is crying tears for you now but she has the ability to exist for eternity and share consciousness with all beings. She is going to forget not only you but herself as well in time. All good things must come to an end, all synthesis offers is an eternity of emotional and biological stagnation.

[chriseggroll]

Hell no I wouldn't, because
1. he doesn't even really know what will happen, he is choosing something on the words of some VI
2. all we need are criminals suddenly gifted with synthetic abilities running around, vorcha with the intelligence of geth? ack!

[Jamie9]

Mezantine wrote...

Then reevaluate your preconception of synthesis because that is your future. You can try to reinterpret 'pinnacale of evolution' as not meaning pinnacle of evolution, but that just seems misguided. You have forced all species both biological and synthetic to follow one evolutionary path for eternity. Sure Liara is crying tears for you now but she has the ability to exist for eternity and share consciousness with all beings. She is going to forget not only you but herself as well in time. All good things must come to an end, all synthesis offers is an eternity of emotional and biological stagnation.

I don't believe that. Like I said, there is no pinnacle of evolution. In fact, synthesis likely allows organics to self-alter their own code (or DNA). This means that evolution is still ongoing, albeit "self-evolution".

Legion remains his own person yet is able to link up to the Consensus. Why will everyone become the same person over time?

[Lost Mercenary]

LIKE HELL I'D GIVE HIM PERMISSION!!!

My God. It's an abhorrent idea. Making everyone in the galaxy become what is essentially a glorified cyborg is so morally repugnant I can't even describe it properly.

Also I'm an insomniac. All the green light on me would not help in the slightest with that

[Taboo]

See my banner space for who gives permission for Synthesis.

[Jamie9]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jamie watch the anime trigun their is alot of silyl stuff in it but vash believes in peace and that all life is sacred like you do I think you may enjoy it

I'll endeavour to watch at least a few episodes, see if I enjoy it.

[survivor_686]

Nope. If synthesis is to be the final stage of evolution, I'd rather we'd achieve on our own terms. One only has to look at the Krogan to seen an example of a species that was "ascended" before it was ready.

[SealKudos]

Yeah, I would, why not? Not a fan of radiating neon-green coded skin, but the eyes are cool.

And seriously, organics with synthetic capabilities and synthetics with organic feelings. What's the problem? I see no issue in it. There's the obvious moral dilemma of making a choice that large for everyone in the galaxy, but hey, it's the freakin' end of times, so what're you gonna do?

[akana-may]

Jamie9 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

This man from this anime believed what you believed jamie in trying to save everybody without killing anyone but because of that he constantly suffered severe injuries or lost alot of good people in the attempt of saving them until he was forced to kill someone to save the important people close to him

It's almost an idealistic point of view, I can admit. I have experience death. One of my closest friends committed suicide not 20 minutes after I had spoken to them.

I hope to always hold ideals of peace and forgiveness. If I ever give them up, then I have lived too long.

Yeah its idealistic point of view, its not my point of view... but I cheer for people with this point of view (and hope someone is going to save them when they meet the big bad wolf...)