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[Qeylis]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

FS3D wrote...

To all those who are saying we got what we wanted, and to stop ****ing about it...

I wrote a rather lengthy open letter to "Dr" Ray Muzyka on the EC DLC announcement, months ago. I clearly stated that I did not want "clarification" and I was not alone. I expected something that actually made sense. We did not get what we wanted... Not even close.

Why the " around the doctor title? He's a doctor.

Yeah, I agree, we can't take that away from him.  We don't need to insult these people.  They are good people who messed up, not evil mutants who deserve ridicule.

Yes, I am being serious.

As to your other points, I totally agree.  I was shocked when I got the exact same endings with a little more stuff added.  Who's idea was that?  3 month of work for this?  I heard someone say before we had turds, now they added candy sprinkles.  Turds with sprinkles, yum.

Please, BioEA, stop trying to fix it.  Give us ME4 in two to three years, and maybe we can pretend this little incedent never happened, ok?

[comrade gando]

I'll add my voice. bioware it's not good enough, it's better yeah but anything's better than what we had before.

what happened to ME1's ending? ME2's ending? those were uplifting and victorious I'd say (the good ME2 one lol). ME3's the only thing I feel is defeat. defeat because no matter what I get screwed. everyone else may get saved and all but in the end, shepard is a dead man. dead man walkin' heh heh heh.

[MrNose]

FS3D wrote...

A Doctor of medicine or a Doctor of some field of scientific research? Because I recognise no other "Doctors" as valid, despite Ph.D's covering such fields of study.

In any event, it's off topic. I wrote an open letter. Let's not focus on my using quotation marks and focus instead on the statement that I wrote an open letter stating I did not want "clarification".

As "valid"? What the heck does that even mean?  You don't recognize "reality" as valid?  

The term "doctor" refers to someone who has reached an eminent level of expertise in their field of study.  Muzyka has an MD, so I guess you consider him "valid", but...  In Canada an MD is a Bachelor's degree...  A Medical Doctorate is the same thing as a Bachelor's of Medicine.  In other words, a Canadian medical degree is not a doctoral degree.   We only call MDs "Doctor" in Canada as a mark of respect for the nature of their position, not for their level of educational attainment.
Attend any Canadian medical school graduation: the MDs graduate first and at the most entry level (Bachelors), followed by students earning masters degrees, finished by the highest ranked gradautes - the PhD students earning their Doctorate degrees.  

Again,  you're literally quibbling with reality by refusing to acknowledge what these students have attained.

Modifié par MrNose, 30 juin 2012 - 07:45 .

[shurikenmanta]

Eh.

It was probably a middle finger. But a deserved one nevertheless, after the appalling behaviour of some.

[Qeylis]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Eh.

It was probably a middle finger. But a deserved one nevertheless, after the appalling behaviour of some.

Nope, on this one I disagree.  We are the customers.  We are the audience.  You will give us what we want, or we won't purchase your product.  Whatever the behaviour of "some" was, they don't have the right to punish the entire audience.

We had a right to exhibit the behavior that we did.  We were treated to the worst ending in recent history after 90 hours of gameplay and 150, to 200 dollars.  We were given an ending that didn't make sense, and that we didn't have to participate in.  The "Drew" ending was not like this.  Either you picked an ending, or the galaxy dies, dead, dead, dead.  We didn't have to pick Red, Green, or Blue, or "F U audience".

Once they threw away the "Drew" ending, it was over.  There was no way to finish this game properly.  Well, actually, there was one way.  Persus.  The worst plot device in the worst ending in recent history.  Persus, the little blue god of destruction was unecessary, explained too much, and single handedly ruined the greatest sci-fi since Star Wars.  Whoever came up with Persus needs to be fired.

There is no way to make him interesting, ever.  He is a lame attempt to make a surprise ending.  For a surprise ending to work, the audience has to have an "Oh, now I understand" moment.  The little blue god Persus can never give us that.  He's not a surprise, he's tacked on, and superfluous.

Oh, that one way I was talking about? Here it is.  It ended with Shepard and Anderson staring at Earth as the Crucible fired a death ray.  Or, if the Crucible failed to fire, and we had to fight conventionally.  Or, we find out that the Crucible is a bomb that destroys the Citidel which is Reaper Command and Control, making a conventional victory possible.

In any case, if the fans can come up with so many scenarios that actually make sense, why did BioEA need to come up with the only thing that can never make sense?  Their failure, and massive amounts of money we spent on this story give us the right to act "appallingly".

Modifié par Qeylis, 30 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[Clayless]

Death ray, AKA destroy ending or a laser that hopes the Reapers line up in single file in 3-dimensional space.

Or spend entire game building Crucible, it doesn't work, game retcons itself at the end to let the Reapers be defeated conventionally.

Or the Crucible is a bomb, disables Reapers FTL, indoctrination devices, shields and weapons. AKA a slow destroy option.

Hmmm, sounds like fans aren't better at coming up with endings.

[Qeylis]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Death ray, AKA destroy ending or a laser that hopes the Reapers line up in single file in 3-dimensional space.

Or spend entire game building Crucible, it doesn't work, game retcons itself at the end to let the Reapers be defeated conventionally.

Or the Crucible is a bomb, disables Reapers FTL, indoctrination devices, shields and weapons. AKA a slow destroy option.

Hmmm, sounds like fans aren't better at coming up with endings.

AHHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.  OMG, you are so funny.  Please, don't be deliberately obtuse.

Death ray = Red dye explosion minus the stupid blue god.

Crucible fails is still better than the little blue god.  This should happen with low EMS.

Crucible explodes is destroy minus the death of your buddies, the Geth.  And it would have been a awesome cutscene.  High EMS.

Look, I understand that you liked the endings.  Its okay to be part of the 10%.  But us 90 percenters needed something that made more sense.  Or rather, made any freaking sense at all.  The EC didn't change the fact that this does not fit in the ME universe.

I don't think you ten percenters are stupid, but I don't understand how you can defend this ending.  You wouldn't have accepted it anywhere else, why do you accept it here?

[ImperatorMortis]

 I have to admit if I wanted  to tell my fans to **** off then this is how I would probably do it. 

[PinkysPain]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Death ray, AKA destroy ending or a laser that hopes the Reapers line up in single file in 3-dimensional space.

Or spend entire game building Crucible, it doesn't work, game retcons itself at the end to let the Reapers be defeated conventionally.

Or the Crucible is a bomb, disables Reapers FTL, indoctrination devices, shields and weapons. AKA a slow destroy option.

Hmmm, sounds like fans aren't better at coming up with endings.

The story set up the possible endings ... it makes a good ending in the sense of quality impossible, so all we are left with are endings which are good in the emotional sense. The only non asspull ending possible was a complete victory for the reapers.

It started going wrong with Arrival really, Walters intentionally set the deadline for arrival straight after ME2 to force through his McGuffin/Diablos Ex Machina plot. What should have happened is that a black cloud of Reapers could be seen coming for a decade from intergalactic space, giving the universe time to prepare ... but then he couldn't have had his McGuffin/Diablos Ex Machina ending, so obviously we didn't go there.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 30 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[shurikenmanta]

Qeylis wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Eh.

It was probably a middle finger. But a deserved one nevertheless, after the appalling behaviour of some.

Nope, on this one I disagree.  We are the customers.  We are the audience.  You will give us what we want, or we won't purchase your product.  Whatever the behaviour of "some" was, they don't have the right to punish the entire audience.

We had a right to exhibit the behavior that we did.  We were treated to the worst ending in recent history after 90 hours of gameplay and 150, to 200 dollars.  We were given an ending that didn't make sense, and that we didn't have to participate in.  The "Drew" ending was not like this.  Either you picked an ending, or the galaxy dies, dead, dead, dead.  We didn't have to pick Red, Green, or Blue, or "F U audience".

Once they threw away the "Drew" ending, it was over.  There was no way to finish this game properly.  Well, actually, there was one way.  Persus.  The worst plot device in the worst ending in recent history.  Persus, the little blue god of destruction was unecessary, explained too much, and single handedly ruined the greatest sci-fi since Star Wars.  Whoever came up with Persus needs to be fired.

There is no way to make him interesting, ever.  He is a lame attempt to make a surprise ending.  For a surprise ending to work, the audience has to have an "Oh, now I understand" moment.  The little blue god Persus can never give us that.  He's not a surprise, he's tacked on, and superfluous.

Oh, that one way I was talking about? Here it is.  It ended with Shepard and Anderson staring at Earth as the Crucible fired a death ray.  Or, if the Crucible failed to fire, and we had to fight conventionally.  Or, we find out that the Crucible is a bomb that destroys the Citidel which is Reaper Command and Control, making a conventional victory possible.

In any case, if the fans can come up with so many scenarios that actually make sense, why did BioEA need to come up with the only thing that can never make sense?  Their failure, and massive amounts of money we spent on this story give us the right to act "appallingly".

Wait, wait, you can't argue for free-market capitalistic right without it cutting both ways.

You do indeed have the right to demand things and withhold business if you don't get them, but they also have the right to ignore you or, better yet, tell you to get lost if you don't like it. You are the customer, not the slavemaster.

As a member of the more rational and level-headed dislikers of the ending, I didn't feel insulted by the 'rocks fall, everybody dies' ending. I actually thought it was pretty funny. But then again, I don't take this game as seriously as... well, a lot of people it seems.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 01 juillet 2012 - 10:26 .

[Austin N]

Necromonger Lordmarshal wrote...

The refusal ending was awesome. Its not an FU. It shows that not all stories need to have happy endings. Bioware delivered that! I have longed to see a movie or game end this way. Makes a bigger impact on my feelings towards it and more engaged in the story. It breaks tradition and it is good.

Oh god, are people STILL trotting out that "not every story has to have a happy ending" cliche? As has been said many times, angsty endings are as cliche as happy endings, and they are not automatically better just for being sad.

[Nitrocuban]

Refusal isn´t plain sad, it is bitter sweet cause it is the only ending sacrificing humanity.