Fauxnormal wrote... Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.
I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.
That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.
Petty insults don't bother me. People's refusal to accept opinions other than own does.
i destroyed them sadly, rewriting them is the same as death, maybe even worse idk
I've never been sure about that one. The geth conciousness, which by its nature would be a shifting, changing, amorphous thing, is too alien for me to grasp to know which is worse when applied to them.
Same. Legion seemed to prefer the idea of re-writing, in fact. Not that that's a surprise.
Perhaps it's worth saying that I also find it quite fascinating to think about and would love to be able to talk to such a thing in reality. Synthesis would destroy that fascinating difference and make it mundane even if it remains different.
Fauxnormal wrote... Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.
I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.
That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.
Petty insults don't bother me. People's refusal to accept opinions other than own does.
that is the magic of opinions, everyone thinks theirs is right
Reorte wrote... Controlling Shepard certainly sounds like he's changed and is no longer exactly the same person.
There was never a convincing reason to believe that synthetics posed a really serious threat. Compare that to trying to take control over a bunch of Reapers with a track record of mind control.
You need more reason.
You need more reason. I don't. So don't choose Control. Fair enough.
I believe that Shepard won't go insane. So I will choose Control.
Decisions, particularly ones that are big gambles, are bad decisions if they're made on belief instead of evidence.
I don't think there is enough evidence to say that Shepard will go insane. Control is very different from other instances of people trying to take control of reapers or their technology. So evidence that others went insane cannot be applied directly to Shepard's case.
I think their is more evidence to another Synthetic-Organic war. So, Destroy is a much bigger gamblee to me then either Control or Synthesis.
Such a war can just as easily happen in Control. Your point?
And the Shepard AI is just as likely to go insane as the Catalyst. It's prime objective is to secure peace (as paragon, anyway). It is in that way no different than the original Catalyst. Who's to say it won't come to the same conclusion as the Catalyst?
Fauxnormal wrote... Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.
I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.
That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.
Petty insults don't bother me. People's refusal to accept opinions other than own does.
You mean like you're doing?
People have the right to disagree with you. They even have the right to be harsh about it. I suggest you grow up and learn to deal with it.
People have the right to disagree with you. They even have the right to be harsh about it. I suggest you grow up and learn to deal with it.
Oh this is rich.
"I've a right to be a rude, selfish b***** why don't you grow up so I don't have to!" - is the gist of what you are saying.
It's ok to have an opinion. It displays a lack of tact, maturity and civility to display it rudely. It displays ignroance to act like your opinion is an absolute fact.
People have the right to disagree with you. They even have the right to be harsh about it. I suggest you grow up and learn to deal with it.
Oh this is rich.
"I've a right to be a rude, selfish b***** why don't you grow up so I don't have to!" - is the gist of what you are saying.
It's ok to have an opinion. It displays a lack of tact, maturity and civility to display it rudely. It displays ignroance to act like your opinion is an absolute fact.
I didn't do anything to this person, nor did I state my opinion as fact. Thank you.
Fauxnormal wrote... Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.
I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.
That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.
Petty insults don't bother me. People's refusal to accept opinions other than own does.
You mean like you're doing?
People have the right to disagree with you. They even have the right to be harsh about it. I suggest you grow up and learn to deal with it.
I fail to see where I have actively insulted you. If you feel that I saying people don't have to be harsh to put forth their opinions is insulting you, then I suggest you grow up.
Fauxnormal wrote... Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.
I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.
That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.
Petty insults don't bother me. People's refusal to accept opinions other than own does.
You mean like you're doing?
People have the right to disagree with you. They even have the right to be harsh about it. I suggest you grow up and learn to deal with it.
I fail to see where I have actively insulted you. If you feel that I saying people don't have to be harsh to put forth their opinions is insulting you, then I suggest you grow up.
More like 'people will be harsh whether you like it or not, and that's their right. So if you can't handle that, you need to either not participate in a discussion or learn to deal with it. Becuase it's gonna happen.'
EDI says she would give her life for organics. And she does do just that. Also, she says she doesn't want to be like the reapers, I don't think she would want sysnthesis. Legion and geth want to build their own future, apart from the reapers. They would also not want synthesis. Killing all synthetics isn't as bad as many think. The control ending is also about using Reaper tech to help build the futures of organics and the geth. Using the things the reapers gave us is what they want, so they can eventually destroy us. They can't do that when they are all dead.
EDI says she would give her life for organics. And she does do just that. Also, she says she doesn't want to be like the reapers, I don't think she would want sysnthesis. Legion and geth want to build their own future, apart from the reapers. They would also not want synthesis. Killing all synthetics isn't as bad as many think. The control ending is also about using Reaper tech to help build the futures of organics and the geth. Using the things the reapers gave us is what they want, so they can eventually destroy us. They can't do that when they are all dead.
Even the mention of 'rights' is a matter of opinion, Faux.
My point is your argument holds a double standard. Your pushing off any self responsibility by pushing any blame on the other. It's the responsibility of both parties to maintain a civil discourse. Being unnecessarily harsh in the display of your opinions is not meeting that responsibility - effectively becoming a pot calling the kettle black.
So while you've a right to your opinion, you've also have the right to be courteous. Otherwise the bickering back and forth is about as equally blind and moronic as the Geth and Quarians were in their 300 year standoff.
This is what you're given. Watch the video. Make the moral choice.
Go on. Make the moral choice. I dare you. What is it? Come on. I thought you had the answers.
What in the name of hell does this have to do with anything?
Hell has a name? You don't see it? The purpose of the whole thing was to put the player in this exact type of moral dilemma. Say one of those choices is the Geth & EDI, and say the other choice is making one of the other two choices:
* accepting godlike power -- think you can control yourself with it for a billion years or will you go nuts? If you think this is acceptable choose Control -- then in about a million years you'll probably make a reaper, and in the end you maintain the status quo.
* perform molecular rape on every living organism. -- vile.
And saying "I can't choose" or refusing to choose gets you the "fine I'll kill everyone" response from the Catalyst."
That's what that video has to do with this.
The point is that all of the choices are bad. Committing genocide on the Geth is horrible, but it is better than maintaining the status quo, perfoming molecular rape, or condemning everyone to the death. All outcomes are bad. You just have to pick the outcome that is the least bad.
Even the mention of 'rights' is a matter of opinion, Faux.
My point is your argument holds a double standard. Your pushing off any self responsibility by pushing any blame on the other. It's the responsibility of both parties to maintain a civil discourse. Being unnecessarily harsh in the display of your opinions is not meeting that responsibility - effectively becoming a pot calling the kettle black.
So while you've a right to your opinion, you've also have the right to be courteous. Otherwise the bickering back and forth is about as equally blind and moronic as the Geth and Quarians were in their 300 year standoff.
More like 'people will be harsh whether you like it or not, and that's their right. So if you can't handle that, you need to either not participate in a discussion or learn to deal with it. Becuase it's gonna happen.'
People who cannot put forth their opinions in a calm manner seriously need help.
Just because 'it's gonna happen' doesn't mean it should or that those who do are any less immature and annoying.
This has long since gone off-topic. I would really appreciate it if we could just stop.
Even the mention of 'rights' is a matter of opinion, Faux.
My point is your argument holds a double standard. Your pushing off any self responsibility by pushing any blame on the other. It's the responsibility of both parties to maintain a civil discourse. Being unnecessarily harsh in the display of your opinions is not meeting that responsibility - effectively becoming a pot calling the kettle black.
So while you've a right to your opinion, you've also have the right to be courteous. Otherwise the bickering back and forth is about as equally blind and moronic as the Geth and Quarians were in their 300 year standoff.
Cool story, brah.
And that's why you'll get attacked and treated like trash.
EDI says she would give her life for organics. And she does do just that. Also, she says she doesn't want to be like the reapers, I don't think she would want sysnthesis. Legion and geth want to build their own future, apart from the reapers. They would also not want synthesis. Killing all synthetics isn't as bad as many think. The control ending is also about using Reaper tech to help build the futures of organics and the geth. Using the things the reapers gave us is what they want, so they can eventually destroy us. They can't do that when they are all dead.
EDI sounds very happy with Synthesis in the EC.
Well yeah. BioWare wanted it to sound like there was no wrong choice. Except for refusal it seems. They probably didn't think anything about your dicussions with EDI.
EDI says she would give her life for organics. And she does do just that. Also, she says she doesn't want to be like the reapers, I don't think she would want sysnthesis. Legion and geth want to build their own future, apart from the reapers. They would also not want synthesis. Killing all synthetics isn't as bad as many think. The control ending is also about using Reaper tech to help build the futures of organics and the geth. Using the things the reapers gave us is what they want, so they can eventually destroy us. They can't do that when they are all dead.
EDI sounds very happy with Synthesis in the EC.
of course, bioware had to make it look like the perfect options:devil:
of course, bioware had to make it look like the perfect options:devil:
To some degree yes, it has the highest point requirement other than the 'live' option for the Destroy Ending.
However, it's not perfect. Shepard sacraficed himself, your LI has to deal with that sorrow. Not to mention all of the ethical debats of taking hold an homogonizing the fate of all of the galaxy.
The Geth Philosophy was 'All species should have the right to self-determinate'. And it's quite possible that you took that away to give everyone a Utopia.
I can see how some people can find that to be wrong, especially as it effects every living thing out there.
But there are a lot of positives to consider in that choice as well.
of course, bioware had to make it look like the perfect options:devil:
To some degree yes, it has the highest point requirement other than the 'live' option for the Destroy Ending.
However, it's not perfect. Shepard sacraficed himself, your LI has to deal with that sorrow. Not to mention all of the ethical debats of taking hold an homogonizing the fate of all of the galaxy.
The Geth Philosophy was 'All species should have the right to self-determinate'. And it's quite possible that you took that away to give everyone a Utopia.
I can see how some people can find that to be wrong, especially as it effects every living thing out there.
But there are a lot of positives to consider in that choice as well.
yeah i agree with you ,, i just meant it seemed like bioware was trying to make that one the "perfect" option when it is not
Whether you call it genocide or not, you are responsible for the extinction of a synthetic species. Whether or not that is an acceptable sacrifice to destroy the Reapers is a personal decision.
No, I am not responsible. Any more than I am responsible if some criminal kills a hostage because I refuse to give him a helicopter and a million dollars or whatever. The fact that destroying the reapers also destroys EDI, the Geth, and (supposedly) myself due to the presence of reaper tech in their systems is unfortunate, but it doesn't make me a genocidaire.
Not to mention, there's no reason to believe that the Quarians can't build more Geth next week.
Anyway, I'd definitely choose the destruction of part of the alliance forces over enslaving the galaxy or transforming every living thing into something "different." Every single time. Destroying the reapers means billions of lives saved now and no chance of future cycles.
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