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[Aaleel]

I've never got the whole genocide thing.

If aliens attacked the Earth and it became apparent that we could not beat them conventionally, then somehow a weapon was created that could wipe out the enemy. Then what was left of allied forces massed and the enemy massed all their forces to counter.

Would you use the weapon and kill your allied forces along with the enemy if it meant saving everyone else in the world. Would you make the sacrifice?

I would, even if I was on the battlefield and it was my home country. Everyone is going to die eventually anyway, and if you ask any soldier are they ready to die in the defense of their country/world/loved ones they'll say yes.

Shepard said it him/herself "There will be sacrifices, being in charge means making sure they lead to the greater objective, that's a reality shared by all soldiers in command and on the ground."

I made a sacrifice, this whole you committed genocide, a war crime stuff is nonsense.

Modifié par Aaleel, 29 juin 2012 - 10:35 .

[Reorte]

wantedman dan wrote...

Reorte wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Genocide requires it to be deliberate which requires intention according to the dictionary.

And you deliberately chose to destroy them. You knew the consequences of the action before you decided.

For crying out loud. I was trying to be polite but now you're just making me angry since you are just blatently ignoring the the part about "deliberate" requiring intention.

Or you could understand that intentionality is only partially determines being deliberate.

You deliberately chose to kill synthetics because you were made fully aware of the consequence of choosing such. It may have been unintended consequence, but it still was a consequence you were aware of.

Consequence yes but deliberate no - intention is part of the definition of deliberate and all parts of the definition need to be met for it to count. I have not chosen to kill synthetics even if I have made a choice in which that is an inevitable consequence and is therefore a factor that needs to be considered when making the decision.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Aaleel wrote...

I've never got the whole genocide thing.

If aliens attacked the Earth and it became apparent that we could not beat them conventionally, then somehow a weapon was created that could wipe out the enemy. Then what was left of allied forces massed and the enemy massed all their forces to counter.

Would you use the weapon and kill your allied forces along with the enemy if it meant saving everyone else in the world. Would you make the sacrifice?

I would, even if I was on the battlefield and it was my home country. Everyone is going to die eventually anyway, and if you ask any soldier are they ready to die in the defense of their country/world/loved ones they'll say yes.

Shepard said it him/herself "There will be sacrifices, being in charge means making sure they lead to the greater objective, that's a reality shared by all soldiers in command and on the ground."

I made a sacrifice, this whole you committed genocide, a war crime stuff is nonsense.

The situation you describe is very different. There, you have only once choice. Here, you have 2 choices where everyone lives (except one individual- you) and the only negative consequences are those that require some extreme pessimism and yet you knowingly choose the path that involves screwing over your allies.

And you use 'Everyone is going to die anyway' as one your reasons? Then why not just go with the low EMS Destroy and wipe everyone out.

[Hyrist]

De1ta G wrote...


You said that in the destroy ending that the death of synthetics are on your head. As if anyone is going to care that you destroyed the geth. As far as everyone else is concerned, the reapers were destroyed and that's all that matters. If the geth were destroyed in the process then it was unfortunate collateral damage.

The next Generation of Synthetics might care, or may not be as friendly as the Geth, as the cooperative precedent (If you chose the Geth or brought peace with them.) Has been destroied. You said "collateral damage" but that's only a convinient excuse to say when you're not the one being counted as it.

In the end it's the viewpoint of the player that matters in this case - as the long term consequences aren't clearly listed.

In the end I'm fairly certain that "Destroy" ending is canon if they ever make a Mass Effect game taking place after the Reaper Invasion. (And really, they should, IMO.) There is a lot of rich meterial that can be made from just taking the most interesting or productive decissions in the game and running with it, even if they do have to trim a few decission branches for the sake of keeping the game under a reasonable budget.

[dublin omega 223]

Well the Geth deserved to be wiped out, what they did during the Mourning War speaks for itself.

EDI a tragic loss, but at the end of the day acceptable to see the Reapers gone.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Aaleel wrote...

I've never got the whole genocide thing.

If aliens attacked the Earth and it became apparent that we could not beat them conventionally, then somehow a weapon was created that could wipe out the enemy. Then what was left of allied forces massed and the enemy massed all their forces to counter.

Would you use the weapon and kill your allied forces along with the enemy if it meant saving everyone else in the world. Would you make the sacrifice?

I would, even if I was on the battlefield and it was my home country. Everyone is going to die eventually anyway, and if you ask any soldier are they ready to die in the defense of their country/world/loved ones they'll say yes.

Shepard said it him/herself "There will be sacrifices, being in charge means making sure they lead to the greater objective, that's a reality shared by all soldiers in command and on the ground."

I made a sacrifice, this whole you committed genocide, a war crime stuff is nonsense.

Genocide - the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. If only some of geth got caught in the blast along with the rest of the allied forces it's a sacrifice, wiping out all synthetics is genocide.

[eye basher]

I don't consider the geth or edi to be alive so what do i care if they geth fraged besides all wars have sacrifices.

[Sousabird]

filetemo wrote...

The Geth engineers working on the Crucible should have seen, by its design, that it may wipe out synthetic life.
Did they warn anybody? Not that I know.

This. And If I was told that I would be killed at the priceof all the reapers I think I could live with dying. I'm pretty sure the other races would honour my race as heroes for their (unintentional) sacrafice

[Veloric Wu]

Sousabird wrote...

filetemo wrote...

The Geth engineers working on the Crucible should have seen, by its design, that it may wipe out synthetic life.
Did they warn anybody? Not that I know.

This. And If I was told that I would be killed at the priceof all the reapers I think I could live with dying. I'm pretty sure the other races would honour my race as heroes for their (unintentional) sacrafice

Except you cannot live with dying. A dead person cannot live. Besides, it's the Geth's life, you can't think for them or determine what they themselves want

[Siansonea]

iakus wrote...

"Does this unit have a soul?"

Humans don't have souls either. "Soul" is a quasi-religious word that doesn't really have a clear meaning. And any overtly religious interpretation is, of course, bogus, because religion is just a bunch of wishful thinking based on the hearsay of Bronze Age goatherders. We've found the Higgs boson, but we still haven't found the "soul".

[Siansonea]

eye basher wrote...

I don't consider the geth or edi to be alive so what do i care if they geth fraged besides all wars have sacrifices.

Yeah, I could live without my Photoshop if it meant stopping the Reapers. Sorry, Leeg, sorry Sexbot, you're both toast. Oh wait, Legion's already dead at that point. I'd gladly sacrifice Sexbot and the lampnecks for freedom from the stoopid Reapers.