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[ghost9191]

HagarIshay wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

but with control do you think there won't be deaths? i mean think of all the loved ones people lost to the reapers, hatred is a powerful motive. what if people try to rise up against them , or attack someone else. or gain control of the reapers like cerberus and so many others. to think that there would just be peace after everything the reapers did idk, and it seems to

There will be deaths in control. I have no illusions about that. The only choice that will save everyone is pretty much synthesis. 

I hate to say it, but I believe that the people will have to live with it. Yes, people will try and get revenge. They won't suceed. If there is an option for the reapers not to kill anyone in the process, I believe Shepard will do it. People will not be able to destroy (or control, for that matter) the reapers without a Crucible. Shepard will not lift anyone to the elevator for anyone to actually use the Crucible for the second time. So, after a while, people will learn to ajust. Maybe the first hundreds of years they will try. Eventually, the attempts will stop. At least I believe they will.

yeah and well i am fine with control. HATE SYNTHESIS Though, hate it 

[wantedman dan]

Reorte wrote...

Genocide requires it to be deliberate which requires intention according to the dictionary.

And you deliberately chose to destroy them. You knew the consequences of the action before you decided.

[Fauxnormal]

Subject9x wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Then don't play the game.

Bye.

correct! upon finishing the game I uninstalled it, removed Origin, and thus ends my time with biowares games. I'm on here for the week to see the reaction of the EC, and then its curtains.

Kay.

[wantedman dan]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Telling someone to not play a game they don't like?

Oh yes, I'm so self righteous.

Quashing dissent by telling someone essentially to "f*ck off" is a key sign of it.

[Sailears]

iakus wrote...

"Does this unit have a soul?"

No.



/Javik.

[ghost9191]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Controlling Shepard certainly sounds like he's changed and is no longer exactly the same person.

There was never a convincing reason to believe that synthetics posed a really serious threat. Compare that to trying to take control over a bunch of Reapers with a track record of mind control.

You need more reason.

You need more reason. I don't. So don't choose Control. Fair enough.

I believe that Shepard won't go insane. So I will choose Control.

considering it isn't shepard your right, shepard dies, and gives birth to a ai. if he didn't then he would be talking in the third person basically so that would kinda make him crazy

[Fauxnormal]

wantedman dan wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Telling someone to not play a game they don't like?

Oh yes, I'm so self righteous.

Quashing dissent by telling someone essentially to "f*ck off" is a key sign of it.

Don't like a game?

Don't play it.

if you want to get all huffy about that bit of logic, go right ahead.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Fauxnormal wrote...
Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.

I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.

[Reorte]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Controlling Shepard certainly sounds like he's changed and is no longer exactly the same person.

There was never a convincing reason to believe that synthetics posed a really serious threat. Compare that to trying to take control over a bunch of Reapers with a track record of mind control.

You need more reason.

You need more reason. I don't. So don't choose Control. Fair enough.

I believe that Shepard won't go insane. So I will choose Control.

Decisions, particularly ones that are big gambles, are bad decisions if they're made on belief instead of evidence.

[Ageless Face]

ghost9191 wrote...

i agree that they did what they did in me3 with good reason, but the things they did in the side missions of me2 and the things they did in me1 were kinda on them

To be fair, they were controlled by the reapers at the time.

[Fauxnormal]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...
Offering an opinion is not trying to make you do anything. Lord above.

I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.

That still doesn't class as trying to make you do anything. If name calling bothers you that much, I suggest you hide in a corner until you toughen up a bit.

[Nerevar-as]

Bladedrummer wrote...

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Movie version: yes. Book version: no.

[Reorte]

wantedman dan wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Genocide requires it to be deliberate which requires intention according to the dictionary.

And you deliberately chose to destroy them. You knew the consequences of the action before you decided.

For crying out loud. I was trying to be polite but now you're just making me angry since you are just blatently ignoring the the part about "deliberate" requiring intention.

[weltraumhamster89]

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

Come on people!!! Shepard killed a whole Batarian solar system simply to "delay" the reapers... I don't think that he would mind sacrificing AI to destroy them! The fact that he takes time to even think about the options proposed to him by the catalyst was, before the EC, all I needed in order to beleive in the IT. It's clear that Shepard developped, over time, a blind hate for them and I'm pretty sure that he would normal stop at nothing to see them burn!

YES, everybody forgets about the poor Batarians.. but yeah there it was ok because you really had no choice because your primary goal in the whole game is stopping the reapers "at any cost"... Now in the end we could finally achieve this and suddenly people choose brainwashing/ altering the whole universe (nobody is the same person anymore) over sacrificing the Geth who really can be rebuilt (and dont come with the "but it wont be the same Geth/ persons anymore" -- how often have the Geth been simply "rewritten"/ changed over the course of ME, just think of the Heretics!!)

Modifié par weltraumhamster89, 29 juin 2012 - 07:59 .

[ghost9191]

HagarIshay wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i agree that they did what they did in me3 with good reason, but the things they did in the side missions of me2 and the things they did in me1 were kinda on them

To be fair, they were controlled by the reapers at the time.

  that is where it gets iffy for me, because it was said thaat only a group of geth did that , the heretic. so if they were really controlled then the reapers would of made all geth do it. so it was a group of geth that did it willingly. but again it was jsut a group of them i guess, but still

[ghost9191]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

Come on people!!! Shepard killed a whole Batarian solar system simply to "delay" the reapers... I don't think that he would mind sacrificing AI to destroy them! The fact that he takes time to even think about the options proposed to him by the catalyst was, before the EC, all I needed in order to beleive in the IT. It's clear that Shepard developped, over time, a blind hate for them and I'm pretty sure that he would normal stop at nothing to see them burn!

YES, everybody forgets about the poor Batarians.. but yeah there it was ok because you really had no choice because your primary goal in the whole game is stopping the reapers "at any cost"... Now in the end we could finally achieve this and suddenly people choose brainwashing/ altering the whole universe (nobody is the same person anymore) over sacrificing the Geth who really can be rebuilt (and dont come with the "but it wont be the same Geth/ persons anymore" -- how often have the Geth been simply "rewritten"/ changed over the course of ME, just think of the Heretics!!)

i destroyed them sadly, rewriting them is the same as death, maybe even worse idk

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Reorte wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Controlling Shepard certainly sounds like he's changed and is no longer exactly the same person.

There was never a convincing reason to believe that synthetics posed a really serious threat. Compare that to trying to take control over a bunch of Reapers with a track record of mind control.

You need more reason.

You need more reason. I don't. So don't choose Control. Fair enough.

I believe that Shepard won't go insane. So I will choose Control.

Decisions, particularly ones that are big gambles, are bad decisions if they're made on belief instead of evidence.

I don't think there is enough evidence to say that Shepard will go insane. Control is very different from other instances of people trying to take control of reapers or their technology. So evidence that others went insane cannot be applied directly to Shepard's case.

I think their is more evidence to another Synthetic-Organic war. So, Destroy is a much bigger gamblee to me then either Control or Synthesis.

[Ticonderoga117]

ghost9191 wrote...
i destroyed them sadly, rewriting them is the same as death, maybe even worse idk

I always considered the idea of re-writting them as un-doing the damage Soverign did when he subverted them.

[Reorte]

ghost9191 wrote...

i destroyed them sadly, rewriting them is the same as death, maybe even worse idk

I've never been sure about that one. The geth conciousness, which by its nature would be a shifting, changing, amorphous thing, is too alien for me to grasp to know which is worse when applied to them.

[Fauxnormal]

Reorte wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i destroyed them sadly, rewriting them is the same as death, maybe even worse idk

I've never been sure about that one. The geth conciousness, which by its nature would be a shifting, changing, amorphous thing, is too alien for me to grasp to know which is worse when applied to them.

Same. Legion seemed to prefer the idea of re-writing, in fact. Not that that's a surprise.

[Reorte]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

I don't think there is enough evidence to say that Shepard will go insane. Control is very different from other instances of people trying to take control of reapers or their technology. So evidence that others went insane cannot be applied directly to Shepard's case.

I think their is more evidence to another Synthetic-Organic war. So, Destroy is a much bigger gamblee to me then either Control or Synthesis.

Fair enough.

[Subject9x]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

I have seen many people who are just stating their opinion. I have also seen people insulting those who don't choose Destroy calling them 'idiots' or 'blind'.

and I've seen the inverse, your point? opninions are everywhere, driving conversations forward. To me, edi/geth being killed was authorial fiat to somehow make the other two choices on par, otherwise everyone would just destroy. This artificial consquence tacked on to destroy ruins the entire choice system. It's incredible to actual see the junk the writers throw to try and explain something like control or synthesis. 

edit: take that back, they actually did control well, with its malevolent undertone, and the creation of the shepard-AI

Modifié par Subject9x, 29 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[Zardoc]

wantedman dan wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Genocide requires it to be deliberate which requires intention according to the dictionary.

And you deliberately chose to destroy them. You knew the consequences of the action before you decided.

No. I delibaretly chose to destroy the Reapers. The death of EDI and the geth was an unavoidable side effect the Catalyst forced on me. The only one who commited Genocide was the one who designed the Citadel, and that was the Catalyst.

[ghost9191]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

Reorte wrote...
Controlling Shepard certainly sounds like he's changed and is no longer exactly the same person.

There was never a convincing reason to believe that synthetics posed a really serious threat. Compare that to trying to take control over a bunch of Reapers with a track record of mind control.

You need more reason.

You need more reason. I don't. So don't choose Control. Fair enough.

I believe that Shepard won't go insane. So I will choose Control.

Decisions, particularly ones that are big gambles, are bad decisions if they're made on belief instead of evidence.

I don't think there is enough evidence to say that Shepard will go insane. Control is very different from other instances of people trying to take control of reapers or their technology. So evidence that others went insane cannot be applied directly to Shepard's case.

I think their is more evidence to another Synthetic-Organic war. So, Destroy is a much bigger gamblee to me then either Control or Synthesis.

damn it it is not your shepard, it is a ai , which might see a threat where there is not one. look at the first catalyst, it thought that turning organics into reapers which are used to kill organics in order to save them from being killed by synthetics. it was flawed, and there is a chance that shepard catalyst will be also. destroy you wipe out the bigger threat and have the ability to stop any ai research or stop ai's . there is still the risk but there is also the chance to make that mistake and learn from it.

[Ageless Face]

ghost9191 wrote...

  that is where it gets iffy for me, because it was said thaat only a group of geth did that , the heretic. so if they were really controlled then the reapers would of made all geth do it. so it was a group of geth that did it willingly. but again it was jsut a group of them i guess, but still

Okay, never really thought about that part. The heretics were cut off from Legion's geth, But you have a fair point. I don't know why the reapers didn't also try to take control of the other geth. I'll need to look at this part next time I'll play. if it even has an answer.