Each bullet point is explained in detail:
1. There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker:
Yes, he was ill. We know this. Yes, it was possible he would die. We know this too. HOWEVER, Bioware hinted at several different things that could have extended Thane's life. CDN mentioned medigel for the lungs. The hanar are working on a cure. Thane is eligible for a transplant that would extend his life.
The initial Thane that you meet has turned down a transplant. However, a romanced Thane no longer wants to die.
It is NOT implausible that a romanced Thane could be talked into a transplant that would extend his life long enough for a cure to be available.Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character. He could have been cured or not at that point.
Bioware featured several "Cure Thane" movements and used his image as the poster boy for some of the ME3 promotionals.
In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."
2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was not destined to die:The Thane you first meet is resigned and even eager for his death. He wanted to die doing something worthwhile. However, if your Shepard romanced Thane, you see him opening up.
Just before the suicide mission, he comes to Shepard's cabin and confesses how he no longer wants to die. He is afraid of dying, and wants to live. Yet in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital, he is suddenly okay with dying, again, as if all of the development done in ME2 never happened.
Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.
Thanks to Emeraldfern for this find. This is an
Edit made by
Stormwaltz on the Mass Effect Wikia. Stormwaltz is Chris L'Etoile, Thane's original writer in ME2.
3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death:He's replaced by Kirrhe if you didn't talk to him in the hospital. That's hardly unique. Only if Kirrhe is dead will the salarian councilor die. Way to unique, heroic, memorable death when he can be replaced someone else? The fact that he can be replaced really leaves a bad taste in my mouth for his "heroism".
LT summarized a lot of our feelings quite nicely
Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I feel like the death trivialized Thane. Made him pointless, his only purpose was to die and provide another shock value scene to make people cry. Even then, if you don't have him, another NPC can replace him. That NPC actually gives Shepard War Assets and has a higher level of importance over Thane. Thane's importance is a death scene. He's not even listed as a character in the game's guide. He isn't vital at all and I don't understand why they bothered to bring him back. They might as well have saved themselves the trouble of figuring out how to get his body into a bed, wearing the same cloths from ME2, and had a random NPC try to help Shepard.
Even before the game came out, I said that if he had to die, I'd want him to go out with a bang, but I didn't mean for that to be all. I expected it to be much later in the game, after he had a well laid out story in the game. They wanted a tragic death, fine, but it's not great story telling if you made a character only to die in a cool way. Tragic stories are tragic because people were living before, not sitting and waiting to die with a smile on their face. It's almost demented really.
Yes, the fight scene is very flashy and very much eye-candy. That being said.....
]Why does Shepard+Co just stand there and stare during the entire fight? If you look here:
Thane Vs KL, you can see there are multiple points where Shepard and company could have interfered and helped and stopped the freaking fight, but didn't.
To have truly made a difference, his death should have involved him doing something only he can do, and if you didn't hit the right triggers, then whatever it is that he was supposed to do DOESN'T GET DONE.4. There's barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's:A romanced Thane has the exact same conversations as a friended Thane, with the exception of a questionable make-out scene.
Even when Thane asks romanceShep why she's at the hospital, she says it's to see the VS. There is no option to say that she's there to see the drell she loves.
There is no option talk to him about their relationship, about Kolyat, about transplants or life extensions, or about what he's been doing while Shepard was under house arrest. All a romanceShep can ask is about Thane's illness, and the VS.
If you romanced Kaidan in 1, and Thane in 2, Kaidan accuses Shepard of cheating on him, and Shepard gets NO CHANCE to tell him what she thinks of that little statement. Shepard just stands there looking guilty.THANE DOES NOT EVEN UNLOCK THE PARAMOUR ACHIEVEMENT! What the heck is up with that?
5. There's no shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??:Thane is the only ME2 squadmember that doesn't get his own side mission. Even Kasumi and Zaeed got specific side missions, even if they didn't join the squad. You'd think that the mission involving the hanar would be a great side mission for Thane since the drell live with the hanar. But nope. You just get cutscenes with Thane that have no interactions to them. You don't even get the sad excuse for a side mission that every other ME2 LI gets.
6. The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's:The phrasing is nearly identical. Shepard gets maybe a couple words, and a siha or two difference. His speech is very touching for a friendShep, but for a romance,
Shepard doesn't get an, "I love you" or any tears or even an expression of grief, like Miranda does. Shepard just stares stonily off into the distance.
Also, Thane's lying on the hospital bed....still in his leather outfit...lol? Really they would leave that on? How did they even try to treat him then? Or did they just look at the wound and say, "Nope, he's dead, don't bother"?
7. After he died, no one except Kai-Leng mentions Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not:Absolutely no one ever mentions Thane again until Shepard kills KL. That is the ONLY MENTION of him ever again.
Garrus is standing in front of the memorial right afterward, staring at the wall...and all he talks about is the VS andhow it's good to see him/her again. No mention of Thane.
If you semi-flirted with Traynor, the shower-scene is almost right after.
If you go see Kaidan, and fell into the romance triggers, he hits on you right after.
Stay classy, Bioware!EDIT!
Some new info I didn't have before, a good timeline breakdown.
8. The timeline, extrapolated from quotes IN GAME do not match the claims of his impending demise.Thane mentions in HM, "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live....nine months ago." But this is a mess up of previous established time-lines that BW themselves originally created. So, I am going to set up the time line based on the conversation Shepard has with Tali on the Citadel where she states that it has been exactly three years since Shepard met her in the back alley of the wards on the Citadel. So working with that in-game timeline, here is a "reasonable" scenario to consider:
We have 3 years from getting Tali in ME1 to the conversation with Tali on the Citadel in me3
We can immediately subtract from that timeline the following:
a) 2 years for dead/rebuilding Shepard
6 months house arrest between ME2 and me3
c) 1 month (roughly; my general assumption) from the time you start ME2 to getting Thane
When we first recruit Thane he says he will be fine for the next 8 -12 months (fine means active in my opinion, and after that he is too weak to fight. NOT that he will be DEAD in 8-12 months....the fact that he says "fine" and not "dead" is key.)
Thus far, we have the following:
3 years
- 2 years 1 month
- 6 months
- 1 month
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4 months
5) I have seen others post this before, that it is believed that ME1 took place over only a couple of months, while ME2 was longer. I admit I am not working on anything official, so if anyone has any in-game hints referring to length of time for ME1, please let me know. For now, I will use previous posters comments on this, till I can get a better verification. Based on everything we know in the two games, I would follow this is probably correct; roughly 2 months for ME1 (at least AFTER Eden Prime), and the 4 months for ME2. (don't forget, that even though the current total is at 5 months, I had already subtracted one month for time BEFORE getting Thane, in ME2).
So, the general timeline would appear as such:
a) First visit to the Citadel in ME1 to the time of Shepards death, roughly 2 months.
2 Years pass till Shepard is resurrected
c) 1 month pass until we get Thane
d) Thane says he will be fine for the next 8-12 months
e) 3 months till the end of the SM
f) 6 months house arrest
g) 1 month till we finally get to speak to Thane at Huerta
So, total number of months from the original "I should be fine for the next 8 -12 months" is: 10 Months
Yes, I do realize I am taking some liberty here, but working on the in-game info that Tali gives us in me3, and using other "known" timelines in game, this seems like a fair breakdown.
This clearly puts Thane still in the window of being "fine"....and anyone who has had sick family/friends or been sick themselves knows that those terminal estimations are generally the average. Lasting a few months longer is not out of the realm of possibility. Because this is the timeline I would have expected them to follow (instead of making up the babble that comes out of Thane's mouth about "3 months to live, 9 months ago"), I would argue that even without a cure/life extention, he shouldn't have been considered "waiting to die" to begin with.
In summary, it's not JUST the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.
Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. We know that probably
won't happen. But is it really so unreasonable to ask for
equal
treatment?If you're interested in adding your support in other ways we have:
Protsting the Treatment of ME2 Romances in Mass Effect 3 on Facebook
Save Our Characters, Save our Game Petition siteThere are other ideas and threads in the Character forum for those who want to participate.
You can also tweet the devs so that they know how you feel about Thane's treatment.
Stay classy, Bioware!
Modifié par RShara, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .
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