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[RydeCrash]

RShara

To be honest it took my second play through to realize that Thane stopped Lang. Yes my first play though I was unaware that the IFF was on a timer. Also I lost they guy I was suppose to follow and failed the loyalty mission.

When I saw Thane holding his gun next to Lang I thought “Ohh sweet, Thanes going to show this wanna be Bruce Lee what a true professional is.” I honestly thought his death was well handled in the whole of the story.

However, my fourth play though really made me wonder why you could not save him. I am referring to talking Mordin down and having him go work on the Crucible. Each of the crew had several story arks after ME2 if they lived.

I truly have decided originally there was suppose to be a positive Thane end; it however was lost in the odd Rannoch/ Tuchanka story flow gap. I can understand the frustration as he is the only one with a single story ark in ME3 of the original crew.

Ryde…

[Moira-chan]

Thanks for this ryde. Every support is welcome

[RShara]

You know I just realized something.

When Thane fights KL, and throws him across the room with biotics.

Throw doesn't work on shields or armor, so KL had to have been stripped down already (ew). So an even worse reason for Shepard+Co to not open fire on him, and for Thane to charge at him,

[RydeCrash]

Using ME3 Co-Op rules, I assumed Thane used a type of the Dell adept heavy melee. Visually it is a punch with a throw effect included as I thought I heard him actually hit him in the face.

On my third play though my FemShep had a relationship with Thane. It seemed to me that at the Cerberus base when you do the Renegade interrupt to break Lang’s sword. The inflection of rage emotion is more pronounced when she say’s “That’s for Thane you SOB.” I will find out for sure on my fifth as this FemShep is in a relationship with Garrus.

I realize that’s a little thing, voice inflection but I have found several that truly change the gaming event each time.

Ryde…

[Klijpope]

I thought Thane was an excellent character. I play a femshep as a straight male and Thane is a character I could have a proper bromance with. However, he died in the SM so Shep1 did not get to see him in 3. So I was not expecting his 'last stand' in 3, nor his death scene, and I was rather touched.

I do not feel short changed that he did not have a bigger arc. I always expected him to only have a cameo in 3; in fact, I am surprised he had such a big role. I think a cure for his disease, which he always says is terminal, would diminish him as a character.

And to be honest, there actually needed to be more death in 3. In Shep3's run thru, Miranda dies, and this made for a more fulfilling scene with Tali and the emergency induction port.

It was always unrealistic to expect a full treatment for every ME2 character, given that there was a war story to tell in 3 and that 2 was mainly entirely about the characters.

[Moira-chan]

Klijpope wrote...

I thought Thane was an excellent character. I play a femshep as a straight male and Thane is a character I could have a proper bromance with. However, he died in the SM so Shep1 did not get to see him in 3. So I was not expecting his 'last stand' in 3, nor his death scene, and I was rather touched.

I do not feel short changed that he did not have a bigger arc. I always expected him to only have a cameo in 3; in fact, I am surprised he had such a big role. I think a cure for his disease, which he always says is terminal, would diminish him as a character.

And to be honest, there actually needed to be more death in 3. In Shep3's run thru, Miranda dies, and this made for a more fulfilling scene with Tali and the emergency induction port.

It was always unrealistic to expect a full treatment for every ME2 character, given that there was a war story to tell in 3 and that 2 was mainly entirely about the characters.

you played a femshep as a straight male?? sorry i did not get this sentence...

i just refer to your last point...bioware promised us an equal treatment of each romance. they said there should not be a "wrong" choice of a li...and well, that was not the case.

[Klijpope]

Moira-chan wrote...
you played a femshep as a straight male?? sorry i did not get this sentence...

i just refer to your last point...bioware promised us an equal treatment of each romance. they said there should not be a "wrong" choice of a li...and well, that was not the case.

I meant, I am male, and straight, but I play a femshep as my 'main' Shep, and that I found Thane to be the most attractive LI in ME2 (of all genders). Basically, Thane could turn me bi.

As I've not seen Thane's treatment as a LI I cannot really comment on this part, but I really do think, out of all the ME2 characters, Thane gets the best scenes of anyone except Mordin. His fight with Kai Leng is ****-on, and the prayer choke dme up. He doesn't have a great deal of screen time, but the quality is high, and I prefer quality over quantity.

I would like to see further LI stuff in DLC, but Thane's illness makes it difficult for him to be a temp squadmate...

[MattFini]

I'm one of those people who likes Thane's role in ME3 a lot. A real lot.

But, having said that, I would support more interaction / content with him in throughout the game's first two acts.

[Klijpope]

There is perhaps one way to bring Thane in through DLC. If it is set on the Citadel then he could take part.

There is a line in the artbook about having scrapped a level involving the Keepers. Since there's no mention of Chorban and the Keeper scanning from ME1, this somewhat makes me feel there could be potential for DLC here (it is prominent in tis absence, like Gianna Parasini...). There's also the fact that Thane used to look after that kid, and he was a tunnel rat.

And it could, if not exactly foreshadow the Catalyst, but at least return some mystery to the Citadel, which seems taken for granted in ME3. Like the way the Relay statue in ME1 hinted at the Conduit, especially if you listened to Kaiden talk about it tingling.

[RShara]

Klijpope wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...
you played a femshep as a straight male?? sorry i did not get this sentence...

i just refer to your last point...bioware promised us an equal treatment of each romance. they said there should not be a "wrong" choice of a li...and well, that was not the case.

I meant, I am male, and straight, but I play a femshep as my 'main' Shep, and that I found Thane to be the most attractive LI in ME2 (of all genders). Basically, Thane could turn me bi.

As I've not seen Thane's treatment as a LI I cannot really comment on this part, but I really do think, out of all the ME2 characters, Thane gets the best scenes of anyone except Mordin. His fight with Kai Leng is ****-on, and the prayer choke dme up. He doesn't have a great deal of screen time, but the quality is high, and I prefer quality over quantity.

I would like to see further LI stuff in DLC, but Thane's illness makes it difficult for him to be a temp squadmate...

Sorry, the fight scene was pretty bad, imo.  Thane makes so many rookie mistakes, and then as I said, if he can THROW KL, then his shields+armor were down, so why exactly did he slowly walk up and then charge KL?

The prayer itself is nice, but those of us who romanced him in 3 would want MORE because the prayer is the same for both unromanced and romanced Thane.

Play through ME2/3 with Thane as your LI, and you'll see what we mean.


Also, for whoever said the lung transplant wouldn't help hemoglobin--the thing is, they also changed the disease for some reason.  In ME2, it was the ability of the lungs to process oxygen, in ME3 it's something involving hemoglobin.  So yeah....more discrepancies in order to shove Thane toward incurablitis.

[LoonySpectre]

As I already said, the events AFTER Thane gets stabbed are inexplicable. Shepard runs away chasing Kai Leng. The squadmates and Salarian councilor just stand around doing nothing (not even trying any medi-gel treatment) while Thane gets up and runs very fast (almost as fast as Shepard and Kai Leng) down a long flight of stairs - already beaten up, presumably out of breath and with a large gaping wound in the abdomen. And only THEN he finally collapses, still living long enough to receive blood transfusions and even regaining consciousness in his very last moments.
Either Thane is just Made of Iron, has some krogan ancestors or... not as ill as the writers have tried (unsuccessfully) to make us believe.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 10 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .

[RShara]

I could throw all sorts of thoughts and names of what the devs were thinking (not at all) during this writing sequence, but I'd probably get banned

[RShara]

I added some timeline details to the first post

[BeanieBat]

Klijpope wrote...

There is perhaps one way to bring Thane in through DLC. If it is set on the Citadel then he could take part.

There is a line in the artbook about having scrapped a level involving the Keepers. Since there's no mention of Chorban and the Keeper scanning from ME1, this somewhat makes me feel there could be potential for DLC here (it is prominent in tis absence, like Gianna Parasini...). There's also the fact that Thane used to look after that kid, and he was a tunnel rat.

And it could, if not exactly foreshadow the Catalyst, but at least return some mystery to the Citadel, which seems taken for granted in ME3. Like the way the Relay statue in ME1 hinted at the Conduit, especially if you listened to Kaiden talk about it tingling.

That sounds really interesting actually.  I think it would be great to find out more about the Keepers and the Citadel.

[mythlover20]

frylock23 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

A salarian councilor that does nothing in game after it. And never mentions Thane.

@frylock23 - One of the regular posters in this thread is on biology Uni, (I think) and has compiled a convincing array of reasons of why Thane's illnes could be cured TODAY in rl . Let alone on Sheppards advanced society. Look for it in previous pages. The death was completely illogical.

Huh?

Where did I imply that it would be impossible to cure. I only said that a lung transplant would do nothing to help similar to transpanting the lungs of someone with leukemia wouldn't do a thing to help them with their disease. The problem has to do with something other than an inability to get air into and out of your body. The problem Thane describes in ME3 has to do with an inability to get blood into and out of the cells themselves if he's talking about the Drell analogue to hemoglobin.

And if someone actually had that problem today, we might be able to give them a bone marrow transplant to replace the cells responsible for making red blood cells which carry the hemoglobin. If you replace the machinery that is making faulty red blood cells with machinery that can make healthy ones, then you solve the problem. Since we can do bone marrow transplants today although they are very risky and it's difficult to find a match, it would be possible to cure Thane, but only if the oxygen transfer protein problem is the ONLY problem associated with Kepral's Syndrome.

If that is just one of the symptoms of a much large complex that combines to be the disease of Kepral's Syndrome, then doing such a thing may be only buying Thane time rather than being a cure.

My point was only that a lung transplant didn't seem to be any solution to any of the problems Thane described. I'm guessing that someone wrote it, and they forgot about that detail later on when they were writing his dialogue describing his symptoms and disease to Shepard.

@frylock. I don't know if it has been discussed yet on this thread, but it has on the other Thane Threads, and it needs to be here.

There is a distinct discorrelation between the details of the Kepral's disease between Mass Effects 2 and 3. In Mass Effect 2 Thane himself explains that Kepral's Syndrome is a bacterial disease caused by the excess moisture in Kahje's atmosphere. It infects the lungs, causing the growth of cancerous legions, which eventually spread to the other organs. Eventually, the lungs deteriorate to the point where they can no longer process oxygen they (the drell) suffocate.

It is also substantiated in Thane's Medical Report (LotSB Dossier). He has only 42% remaining lung capacity, large cancerous legions in his left lung and small ones in his right lung, and he is resistant to anti-biotic treatment. 

This is where the lung transplant comes in. In Mass Effect 2 Kepral's was a LUNG DISEASE. It had nothing to do with his blood, let along his drell version of hemoglobin. The protein transfers were never mentioned before ME3, and have no previous basis.

A bacterial lung infection resembling Csistic Fibrosis (sorry, I do not have a link to the dev who posted this, if anyone has it, PLEASE EMAIL ME A LINK!) has nothing to do with a blood disorder resembling Scikle Cell Aenemia. It is not a simple progression of the disease because his medical report would have made a note of his blood test results if it was. As it is, Keprals was metastatic cancer, and a lung transplant is a perfectly viable treatment option for such diseases.

Also, to my knowledge, anti-bacterial medication does nothing to treat aenemia. Also, if Kepral's was a blood disorder, he would not have a reduced lung capacity, cancerous legions, or need anti-biotic treatment.

Also, an interesting side note: my father had a higher lung capacity when he died from lung cancer, around 50%, and had a tumor 3inchx2inchx4inch sitting behind his heart. He was infinitely sicker than Thane was in ME3 the last 6 months of his life, and he was supposed to be in remission. Thane is infinitely too active for someone who is supposed to be as sick as he is. As he stands, going by the symptoms he displays, he has a bad case of the flu, nothing more. Because coughs, pain, and dizzy spells are all symptoms of the flu.

Yes, I do realise that the dizzy spells and the pain are also symptoms of lung cancer. The point is that in ME3 he says he has a blood disorder. He should not have been in pain, even if the dizzy spells would occur. But still, that said, if his brain was being deprived of oxygen, he should have been a lot less coherent.

As to the emotional impact of his disease... well... I looked after my father during his treatment and since he died, I've been looking after my mother. I know this a lot better than a lot, if not all, of those protesting the option to save him, and his disease was NOT handled properly.

If it was handled properly there would have been interactions with Kolyat, more interactions with Thane, an episode where he had an attack or was having a bad health day, an option for a romanced Shepard to tell Thane that she loved him, and she wasn't leaving him just because he was dying, she would have mourned after he died, and their friends would have comforted his grieving.. well.. I'm going to say widow, cause that's what my Shep was. His widow, in action if not in name. And she definitely WOULD NOT have responded to squadmates sexual advances afterwards.

Thane's ME2 Kepral's Dialogue:


Thane's Shadow Broker Dossier Medical Report @1.46


Thane's ME3 Kepral's Dialogue: (and once again, FemShep sounds like a ****<_<)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWvz0KyamjM&list=PLDCA03F6D7F0B9207&index=27&feature=plpp_video

[BeanieBat]

Sorry, misread your post myth - will email the link!

Modifié par BeanieBat, 11 juillet 2012 - 11:59 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I'm okay with everything, except for the cure part. I think Thane's death was a great example of Shepard not being in control of everything around him/her, and one of the most emotional moments in the game. A cure would ruin that. Not everything ends happy.

[Jadebaby]

@ Brovikk. Of course you do, anything else would require altering the game. And we couldn't have that could we?

@ OP
I agree, and I totally admire your commitment to this, I remember seeing you on here petitioning when the game first came out.
Although for him to survive, it would require him breaking that Kai Lang plot armor... The strongest armor in the game.
And after all, it was BioWare that said all romances would be treated equally. They've brought this backlash upon themselves. If TIM can alter indoctrination to use as a catalyst to produce quick shock troopers. Then I can't see why somebody out there (Mordin). Can't cure Kepral's syndrome. Or better yet, make is Maelon. So in order to save Thane you have to let Maelon survive in ME2. That could be interesting.

[RShara]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I'm okay with everything, except for the cure part. I think Thane's death was a great example of Shepard not being in control of everything around him/her, and one of the most emotional moments in the game. A cure would ruin that. Not everything ends happy.

Well we're asking for a choice, so that those who want "realism" can have it and those who want happy can have that.  I mean, if we want to go for realism (in a sci fi video game?) then Tali should have died from taking off her suit, and Garrus should have died from a missile in the face.  It's only "realistic" for Thane because Bioware did it. 

Edit: Thanks JadeBaby!  I was just so tired of seeing the same arguments over and over and over, I wanted to lay out the explanations in one place.

Modifié par RShara, 11 juillet 2012 - 02:21 .

[Steel Dancer]

[quote]Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I'm okay with everything, except for the cure part. I think Thane's death was a great example of Shepard not being in control of everything around him/her, and one of the most emotional moments in the game. A cure would ruin that. Not everything ends happy.[/quote]

If you don't have a Thane romance, how would his survival in someone else's game ruin or even affect his storyline in yours?

If you do have a Thane romance, why would you not want the possibility of survival for the character, even/especially if you had to work for it, potentially having to purchase DLC?

Surely the option of Thanes' survival would actually increase the replayability of ME3? If not, then please explain why that's so?[/quote]

[Transairion]

Part of me sympathsies, really I do, but the other part of me thinks this:

You meet someone who repeatedly tells you he's going to die, chooses not to take options that would let him live and is ok with that. He dies in the next game. You get in uproar that he dies.

Just.... gosh, it really seems like you should've known this was coming though? ONLY a romanced Thane changes his mind about death, so I guess in that case you should have the option to save him. But I wouldn't support a change that makes Thane live in every playthrough ever no matter what, as that makes all his talk about death in 2 and 3 utterly meaningless as he won't freaking die anyway.

I'm still a fan of "My favourite gave me 3 months to live... 9 months ago"

[Moira-chan]

transairion, we don't want a change, that is putted in every playthrought. the one who wants him to die, are still able...
we're also ok with doing serveral, maybe difficult choices back in me1-2 to save him, and sure, romance should be a big deal in this conclusion, but i also know a lot bro/sis in arms, who want to save him anyway.

It's not about a cure actually, we just did not even have the brave to ask for that,we just want to save him from being killed by this stupid wanna be assasin, thats all

[RShara]

Transairion: We want the option to Save Thane. If you don't want to take it, that way you don't have to
And according to various timeline analyses....Thane (Bioware) is smoking something in his comment about his expected lifespan

[RShara]

Let's hear it for our drell!