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[RShara]

I don't get people. I really don't.

Why on god's green earth would you ever post in a topic that you have limited knowledge and faulty recollection about?

[earendil87]

@Beanie Yeah, I know that mucus, bacterial infection and genetic disease sound too horrible to run around with Shepard, but even if that's not the case the fact is that he has 42% lung capacity and that itself is too low to do that, whatever the cause is.

Also, I don't understand the fact that he mentions the haemoglobin thing just in ME3 as if it had gotten worse then, but as now it's something that really matters because his lungs are so bad that the haemoglobin problem really is a problem now, even if it's in heterocygosis. It's obvious that if it's genetic it can't get worse, but the fact that the infection did get worse makes the genetic problem more obvious.

And yes, what you say about the writer is what I meant. We should be discussing this for entertainment because if we're trying to get into the writers mind to see what they wanted to imagine about this disease I think we'll find nothing. They probably read something about CF, made up a disease and then added symptoms randomly. I doubt it goes further than that.

And I don't think you're annoyed, we're just discussing

[earendil87]

RShara wrote...

I don't get people. I really don't.

Why on god's green earth would you ever post in a topic that you have limited knowledge and faulty recollection about?

is that about my post?

[Emeraldfern]

@Rshara
Somehow I'm reminded of an Arabic proverb:

He who has knowledge and knows that he has it, he is wise! Follow him!
He who has knowledge but does not know that he has, he is asleep! Awaken him!
He who has no knowledge but knows he has none, he is unschooled! Teach him!
He who has no knowledge and does not know that he has none, he is a fool! Avoid him!
 
(Er, I hope I translated that so it makes sense, English-Swedish can be confusing sometimes)

@earendil

No I don't think it's you, and I think I know which thread it is.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:00 .

[earendil87]

Emeraldfern wrote...

@Rshara
Somehow I'm reminded of an Arabic proverb:

He who has knowledge and knows that he has it, he is wise! Follow him!
He who has knowledge but does not know that he has, he is asleep! Awaken him!
He who has no knowledge but knows he has none, he is unschooled! Teach him!
He who has no knowledge and does not know that he has none, he is a fool! Avoid him!
 
(Er, I hope I translated that so it makes sense, English-Swedish can be confusing sometimes)

@earendil

No I don't think it's you, and I think I know which thread it is.

Thanks, I didn't get that. Nice proverb btw

[BeanieBat]

@earendil87 Yeah I can understand that as the bacterial infection/lung damage is worsening then this would make the haemoglobin issue more of a problem. So if that were the way it was described in game, then it would make a bit more sense. It's really just the way the disease is presented in the game that makes it a problem:

- doesn't appear to be a progression of the bacterial infection/lung damage
- only symptoms mentioned in ME3, implying it is the most problematic and that it is a recent development
- no hint that the lungs/bacteria are involved at all suggesting that it is an entirely different disease.

I do think that they read about CF and based the disease on that in ME2, but with ME3 they clearly wanted to make it worse than all that, and threw in another random disease (probably based on sickle cell anaemia) without any attempt at linking the two, or even acknowledging the disease from ME2.

And I agree with Emerald, I don't think RShara was referring to you at all, I think it's from a different thread too

[earendil87]

Yeah, they didn't care at all at making a logical disease. They just wanted him sick to death no matter what... but in my head Kepral's syndrome is something like I said and when I play I'll have that in mind to make it somehow believable. It bothers me but not even close to some other plot holes or mistakes of the game...

[Moira-chan]

yeah, and the easiest way is a not buildable hemoglobin...
so no one can say that he may survive. he cannot carry oxygen anymore he has to die! <.< logical conesquences for not medicin/biologist.
but it was.
even easier then with a lung disease

[LoonySpectre]

The funny thing is, in the "leaked script" Thane says that the drell hemoglobin thingies just "aren't working" - this looks more like some kind of heavy hypoxia which can be consistent with what we learned in ME2. But in the final script, it was changed into "don't form correctly".

[RShara]

Incurablitis, I'm telling ya.

[earendil87]

Moira-chan wrote...

yeah, and the easiest way is a not buildable hemoglobin...
so no one can say that he may survive. he cannot carry oxygen anymore he has to die! <.< logical conesquences for not medicin/biologist.
but it was.
even easier then with a lung disease

Yeah, if they wanted just to kill him they should have continued with the lung disease and the massive infection, that's much worse than the malfunctional haemoglobin! that kind of blood problem solves with transfusions! they tried to make it worse and they made it so much easier, but killed him anyway  XD c'mon! 

Modifié par earendil87, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:36 .

[BeanieBat]

earendil87 wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...

yeah, and the easiest way is a not buildable hemoglobin...
so no one can say that he may survive. he cannot carry oxygen anymore he has to die! <.< logical conesquences for not medicin/biologist.
but it was.
even easier then with a lung disease

Yeah, if they wanted just to kill him they should have continued with the lung disease and the massive infection, that's much worse than the malfunctional haemoglobin! that kind of blood problem solves with transfusions! they tried to make it worse and they made it so much easier, but killed him anyway  XD c'mon! 

Exactly!  It seems they added the haemoglobin thing to worsen his condition so they could kill him, but they really didn't need to add all that nonsense, they simply could have had Thane in the 'last stages of Kepral's Syndrome' as it was described in ME2 and that would have been bad enough!

[Moira-chan]

BeanieBat wrote...

earendil87 wrote...

Moira-chan wrote...

yeah, and the easiest way is a not buildable hemoglobin...
so no one can say that he may survive. he cannot carry oxygen anymore he has to die! <.< logical conesquences for not medicin/biologist.
but it was.
even easier then with a lung disease

Yeah, if they wanted just to kill him they should have continued with the lung disease and the massive infection, that's much worse than the malfunctional haemoglobin! that kind of blood problem solves with transfusions! they tried to make it worse and they made it so much easier, but killed him anyway  XD c'mon! 

Exactly!  It seems they added the haemoglobin thing to worsen his condition so they could kill him, but they really didn't need to add all that nonsense, they simply could have had Thane in the 'last stages of Kepral's Syndrome' as it was described in ME2 and that would have been bad enough!

funny how all the things went out <.<

[RShara]

Yeah it's so funny I forgot to laugh *sigh*

[Eliza]

EDIT: Sorry, postet in the wrong thread.

I am wondering why they had to chance Thane's disease. I would have been epic enough if he died by KL's stabbing. Maybe it would'v even been more dramatical because otherwise we could wonder if Thane could have survived long enough for a cure.

Modifié par Eliza, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .

[RShara]

Thanks to Emeraldfern for this AWESOME find!



The person who made that edit, Stormwaltz, is Chris L'Etoile, Thane's original ME2 writer.  Updated first post with this info

Modifié par RShara, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[RShara]

bumping this since apparently it's needed

[RShara]

[AresKeith]

I agree with this thread, even though I never romanced him, he still deserves to live and he was cool

[Grubas]

Bioware finally noticed that 99% of fans are male... sad they decided to keep it that way. But i still believe that those who cared should be rewarded with a prolonged life or something. Thane might as well die knowing, that femshep saved the galaxy, for those who cared of course.
Yeah its extra work... i know;)

[RShara]

I think the last metrics I saw from some magazine or other was that ~30% of gamers were female. Not exactly reliable I know But all of my female friends are gamers, so I really doubt it's 99%

[Grubas]

RShara wrote...

I think the last metrics I saw from some magazine or other was that ~30% of gamers were female. Not exactly reliable I know But all of my female friends are gamers, so I really doubt it's 99%

Obviously bioware has (should have) better statistics. But judging by the comparison, 2 straight LI's and 4 lesbian, as as woman i shouldn't fell attracted to the game, or feel taken serious... 

But then again as a woman i would still prefer woman.  

Modifié par Grubas, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:52 .

[Grubas]

double post

Modifié par Grubas, 27 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[RShara]

Actually if you Virmire'd Kaidan, and didn't romance Garrus, then there are 0 straight LI's for FemShep in 3

[AresKeith]

yea Bioware was kinda cruel to Femshep in the series for LI