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[Moira-chan]

i care and i'm not one of the elder women i'm 21 and in the youth of my life, but i love how sensible, supporting thane was. for me i got the feeling that shep could go down there and tells him everything, he would always have a wonderfull advice

and why is it for you a lie? when a character is interessting is something quite personal. you find thane uninteresting, i find liara or kaidan uninteressting, for me they are less interessting than thane, but thats just an opion thing. there is no absolutly truth and that concquer there cannot be a lie.

Modifié par Moira-chan, 29 juin 2012 - 08:17 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

mythlover20 wrote...


Read my post for my reply.

I feel sorry for people who come across you in real life.

I take in your age you no longer like to be admired for your body and lack sexual desire.
And Thane doesn't admire you or want to have sex with you so you feel as if you have a connection.
Sad **** happened...... both of you're now depressed yet still moving on.
And then when you know it is time to go you lose your concentration, let go and get stabbed.
Question is, why can't you let go?

[RShara]

Please don't feed the troll and get the thread locked!

[utaker1988]

There really isn't much to say that hasn't been said. I do believe that all the ME2 LI's got shafted or sidelined. I would like more content for them and I especially would like it if someone spun Thane around and gave me back the guy my Shep romanced. He just isn't the same person who my Shep last saw.

While I did not romance Jacob, I would really like to see him not be railroaded into a "always gets another pregnant" storyline. I admit that I was happy for Jacob but only because I never romanced him. But I could feel the pain when those that did had to experience that. If any of my Shep's did, I would have loved the option to not have that happen.

Just as I know that my Sheploo is going to be very disappointed with how little time he gets with Jack. He knows that other Sheps are getting extra dialogue, their LI is on the ship but not Jack. While he is pining away, everything that walks on that ship will be hitting on him.

My main problem has never been that Thane died. It was what occurred with the romance, his personality shift, the little interaction with him, he is forgotten, and then the romance didn't count. He apparently got the same type of lobotomy that my Shepard got. I can accept that he dies. Heck, my own Shepard died at the end of the game.

[Merchant2006]

No.

[RShara]

Yeah if they'd done Thane's death right, I think a lot of us would have been okay. It's the EXACT same debacle as the ending. Sloppy, lazy and contradictory writing.

[Dean_the_Young]

I disagree. Thane's writing is pretty consistent: Thane has always been a character in large part defined by his grace under his eminent mortality, and his desire to go out doing something worthy. Thane living and being cured would be the greatest reversal of his character arc, and there's nothing particularly sloppy, lazy, or contradictory in the writing as is.

[Moira-chan]

mayrabgood wrote...

If Thane's romance had been a real romance with conversations, private scene, and even a mission and then had died either through Kepral's or getting injured later on in the game, I would have been fine with it.

But he was introduced into the game very early on and killed off before half of the game was even over. It felt like they just wanted to get his character done and over with as soon as possible.

i agree with you. really, i was prepare that he would die, but i thought with a full romance and quie near the end, not in the middle. right after helping his siha kicking some reaper a****

[RShara]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I disagree. Thane's writing is pretty consistent: Thane has always been a character in large part defined by his grace under his eminent mortality, and his desire to go out doing something worthy. Thane living and being cured would be the greatest reversal of his character arc, and there's nothing particularly sloppy, lazy, or contradictory in the writing as is.

I'm sorry, but that's only true if you didn't romance him.  Please read first two posts:

2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was not destined to die:
The Thane you first meet is resigned and even eager for his death. He wanted to die doing something worthwhile. However, if your Shepard romanced Thane, you see him opening up. Just before the suicide mission, he comes to Shepard's cabin and confesses how he no longer wants to die.  He is afraid of dying, and wants to live. Yet in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital, he is suddenly okay with dying, again, as if all of the development done in ME2 never happened. Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

Modifié par RShara, 29 juin 2012 - 08:29 .

[fil009]

I feel Thane was a cool character as he was a straight up assassin. His logic for not feeling guilty is pretty unique. His death was indeed bad ass even if it was abrupt. When Shepard finally defeats Kai Leng it is also awesome, if you were loyal to Thane, Shep whips out his omnitool and literally says he does it for Thane while finishing that indoctrinated Reaper- tech-filled ******. I liked that a lot because even though my Shep was in love with Liara, Garrus and Thane were his HOMIES.

Modifié par fil009, 29 juin 2012 - 08:30 .

[firel]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I disagree. Thane's writing is pretty consistent: Thane has always been a character in large part defined by his grace under his eminent mortality, and his desire to go out doing something worthy. Thane living and being cured would be the greatest reversal of his character arc, and there's nothing particularly sloppy, lazy, or contradictory in the writing as is.

Coming to Shepard's cabin, punching things in distress and crying over the fact that he's scared to die doesn't strike me as "graceful" over his mortality.

[Moira-chan]

fil009 wrote...

I feel Thane was a cool character as he was a straight up assassin. His logic for not feeling guilty is pretty unique. His death was indeed bad ass even if it was abrupt. When Shepard finally defeats Kai Leng it is also awesome, if you were loyal to Thane, Shep whips out his omnitool and literally says he does it for Thane while finishing that indoctrinated Reaper- tech-filled ******. I liked that a lot because even though my Shep was in love with Liara, Garrus and Thane were his HOMIES.

as you said, yours is a male shep and than it's all fine, really, please read the first post ^^ we're asking for more content not even specific for a cure and we don't get more than a friend does, and thats what wer're complaining about

[RShara]

fil009 wrote...

I feel Thane was a cool character as he was a straight up assassin. His logic for not feeling guilty is pretty unique. His death was indeed bad ass even if it was abrupt. When Shepard finally defeats Kai Leng it is also awesome, if you were loyal to Thane, Shep whips out his omnitool and literally says he does it for Thane while finishing that indoctrinated Reaper- tech-filled ******. I liked that a lot because even though my Shep was in love with Liara, Garrus and Thane were his HOMIES.

Thane IS a cool character.  Unfortunately, his death was not very badass.  That's covered in the first two posts.  Thanks!



3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death:
He's replaced by Kirrhe if you didn't talk to him in the hospital. That's hardly unique. Only if Kirrhe is dead will the salarian councilor die. Way to unique, heroic, memorable death when he can be replaced someone else? The fact that he can be replaced really leaves a bad taste in my mouth for his "heroism".
LT summarized a lot of our feelings quite nicely

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I feel like the death trivialized Thane. Made him pointless, his only purpose was to die and provide another shock value scene to make people cry. Even then, if you don't have him, another NPC can replace him. That NPC actually gives Shepard War Assets and has a higher level of importance over Thane. Thane's importance is a death scene. He's not even listed as a character in the game's guide. He isn't vital at all and I don't understand why they bothered to bring him back. They might as well have saved themselves the trouble of figuring out how to get his body into a bed, wearing the same cloths from ME2, and had a random NPC try to help Shepard.

Even before the game came out, I said that if he had to die, I'd want him to go out with a bang, but I didn't mean for that to be all. I expected it to be much later in the game, after he had a well laid out story in the game. They wanted a tragic death, fine, but it's not great story telling if you made a character only to die in a cool way. Tragic stories are tragic because people were living before, not sitting and waiting to die with a smile on their face. It's almost demented really.

Yes, the fight scene is very flashy and very much eye-candy. That being said.....
]Why does Shepard+Co just stand there and stare during the entire fight? If you look here: Thane Vs KL, you can see there are multiple points where Shepard and company could have interfered and helped and stopped the freaking fight, but didn't.
To have truly made a difference, his death should have involved him doing something only he can do, and if you didn't hit the right triggers, then whatever it is that he was supposed to do DOESN'T GET DONE.

Modifié par RShara, 29 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[Dean_the_Young]

firel wrote...


Coming to Shepard's cabin, punching things in distress and crying over the fact that he's scared to die doesn't strike me as "graceful" over his mortality.

Congratulations to you, then, who apparently defines 'graceful' as 'stoic.'

[firel]

fil009 wrote...

I feel Thane was a cool character as he was a straight up assassin. His logic for not feeling guilty is pretty unique. His death was indeed bad ass even if it was abrupt. When Shepard finally defeats Kai Leng it is also awesome, if you were loyal to Thane, Shep whips out his omnitool and literally says he does it for Thane while finishing that indoctrinated Reaper- tech-filled ******. I liked that a lot because even though my Shep was in love with Liara, Garrus and Thane were his HOMIES.

I agree with you that the "That was for Thane" line was nice (Even though no one else ever mentions him, even if Thane was romanced) and that Thane is cool.
But running into a sword, hesitating to shoot Kai Leng even when given several openings, all to save ONE salarian nobody really cares about isn't badass. It's stupid. At least Mordin and Legion died to save entire races. Thane? Just one person. Oh and he can be easily replaced.

Modifié par firel, 29 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[RShara]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

firel wrote...


Coming to Shepard's cabin, punching things in distress and crying over the fact that he's scared to die doesn't strike me as "graceful" over his mortality.

Congratulations to you, then, who apparently defines 'graceful' as 'stoic.'

What about the other points, brought up, though?

[LoonySpectre]

In the "leaked script", Thane dies killing (or trying to kill) Udina and saving the entire Council in the process... while Shepard is busy dealing with VS.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

RShara wrote...

I'd first like to mention that I'm not expecting a Thane-only DLC, but that a general DLC dealing with ALL the neglected squadmembers would be my great expectation.

So Thane fans have been getting a lot of drive-by posters who don't bother to read our reasons before posting that they thought his death was "fine" or "bad-ass", or "you knew he was ill, deal with it". I'd like to clarify, as briefly as I can, why it was fine in one way, and a travesty in another. Bullet pointed first, then more detail later.

What we're asking for is, at the very least, more interaction with him before he dies. Interaction that is in character for him, please, and not just a couple of thrown in lines that continue in the same thread that he's already in. A lot of us are to the point, however, where we want a full-on life extension or cure, just because we are so very disappointed in how he was handled, and the lack of respect that was given to his character and story.

We are NOT asking that the entire story is changed.  We are asking for an OPTIONAL addition where it's possible to save him if we take the right steps. WE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS OPTION AS WELL!
You can see a flowchart of our propsal here: Thane Story Flowchart

We ARE asking that the romance be fixed to put in what Bioware has admitted they forgot about!


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.


Please, constructive replies are welcome, but please no flaming or drive-by posting. Informed responses!

Yes we understand that he said he was dying in the very first conversation, and romanced him anyway. These are the reasons why we expected to have more time with him and why we're unhappy with how he was handled.

Bullet point list:

1. There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was never destined to die.
3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death.
4. There's barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's.  THANE DOES NOT EVEN UNLOCK THE PARAMOUR ACHIEVEMENT!
5. There's no shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6. The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
7. After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.

I agree. Obviously not just for Thane but for all squaddies. I thought the way that Thane HAD to die was pretty bad. Also for all The Priiiizeee lovers *shudders*. How Jacob always gets his girlfriend knocked up even though he and Shep have only been away for 6 months. 

[Dean_the_Young]

RShara wrote...


2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die.

He doesn't want to die, because he's found something to live for again, but that doesn't change coming to terms with it.

He was not destined to die:

He was. It's rather a large part of his character arc.

Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

It's only a reversal if you project a specific interpretation onto him.

[RShara]

LoonySpectre wrote...

In the "leaked script", Thane dies killing (or trying to kill) Udina and saving the entire Council in the process... while Shepard is busy dealing with VS.

Quoted from the leaked script:

{Udina pulls a gun in the struggle, but Thane knocks it away, pulls off a slick move and crushes Udina's throat.}
{Udina falls to the ground, dying. Thane looks like he has to catch his breath.}

[Dean_the_Young]

mayrabgood wrote...

If Thane's romance had been a real romance with conversations, private scene, and even a mission and then had died either through Kepral's or getting injured later on in the game, I would have been fine with it.

But he was introduced into the game very early on and killed off before half of the game was even over. It felt like they just wanted to get his character done and over with as soon as possible.

You could say the same of Mordin, but the absurdity would just be more apparent.

[firel]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

firel wrote...


Coming to Shepard's cabin, punching things in distress and crying over the fact that he's scared to die doesn't strike me as "graceful" over his mortality.

Congratulations to you, then, who apparently defines 'graceful' as 'stoic.'

And congradulations to you as well, on your fantastic 10 word retort that amounts to nothing and misses the point.

[RShara]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

RShara wrote...


2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die.

He doesn't want to die, because he's found something to live for again, but that doesn't change coming to terms with it.

He was not destined to die:

He was. It's rather a large part of his character arc.

Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.

It's only a reversal if you project a specific interpretation onto him.

Please quote in context

Just before the suicide mission, he comes to Shepard's cabin and confesses how he no longer wants to die. He is afraid of dying, and wants to live. Yet in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital, he is suddenly okay with dying, again, as if all of the development done in ME2 never
happened. [u]


Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure
where they were going to take the character. He could have been cured or not at that point.
Bioware featured several "Cure Thane" movements and used his image as the poster boy for some of the ME3 promotionals. In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."

Modifié par RShara, 29 juin 2012 - 08:51 .