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[LoonySpectre]

I wonder how long is the journey from Kahje to the Citadel. The hanar could have shipped any amount of blood or drell donors for Thane, especially if the Kasumi mission was already done and the hanar owe Shepard their homeworld.

[RShara]

I'd be embarrassed to go into a thread and just type without reading anything...

LoonySpectre wrote...

I wonder how long is the journey from Kahje to the Citadel. The hanar could have shipped any amount of blood or drell donors for Thane, especially if the Kasumi mission was already done and the hanar owe Shepard their homeworld.

It can't be more than a few hours.  I totally expected a fetch quest to Kahje to get some drell blood.  It's no worse than the evesdropping quests to get flags and tags.

[Wahukeza]

RShara wrote...

I'd be embarrassed to go into a thread and just type without reading anything...

LoonySpectre wrote...

I wonder how long is the journey from Kahje to the Citadel. The hanar could have shipped any amount of blood or drell donors for Thane, especially if the Kasumi mission was already done and the hanar owe Shepard their homeworld.

It can't be more than a few hours.  I totally expected a fetch quest to Kahje to get some drell blood.  It's no worse than the evesdropping quests to get flags and tags.

I honestly find it hilarious that Shepard can travel around the galaxy searching for some ancient statue to give to a nobody, but she can't go get some blood for her love interest.

I still find it weird that there isn't more drell blood on the citadel to begin with, I'd imagined the Citadel to be the NYC of the galaxy, with even the tiniest alien minorities having communities there.

[LanceSolous13]

LoonySpectre wrote...

I wonder how long is the journey from Kahje to the Citadel. The hanar could have shipped any amount of blood or drell donors for Thane, especially if the Kasumi mission was already done and the hanar owe Shepard their homeworld.

I think its simply a timing thing. It could take half a day to get to Kaje and back, but if Thane only has four hours to live, it would be better to stay by his side to the end rather than let him die alone.

[LoonySpectre]

There was a cut dialogue with a hanar ambassador (?) offering a drell squad to Shepard. And a very, VERY odd line by Shepard.

Hanar worlds have been attacked by the Reapers. We have heard you are gathering allies to halt their advance.
You need me to fly out to your home planet in exchange for hanar help?
That is unnecessary. This one has briefed our allies, the drell, on the gravity of this situation.
Their soldiers are prepared to come to your assistance in battle.
I'm not familiar with the drell. What're their fighting strengths?
They server as peacekeepers on Kahje. The hanar provide training for drell who wish to take up arms.
What do these drell soldiers specialize in?
They are raised to be self-sufficient agents. Their efficiency often surprises their opponents.
In this one's small opinion, the drell we have sent are among their finest fighters. We hope for them to serve you well.
I appreciate it. This kind of cooperation's been way too rare.
The Illuminated Primacy holds similar thoughts. They are grateful for the opportunity to aid one who strives to unify the galaxy.
Not many people, let alone an entire species, just gives up soldiers at a time like this.
This one thanks you for listening to its requests, Commander.
Please allow this one to voice the question of whether these warriors serve any use, if your own efforts fail.
This one begs you to accept these soldiers on behalf of the Illuminated Primacy, Commander.
May your path be swift.

[RShara]

........what?
Um I guess maybe if Thane was never recruited?

[LoonySpectre]

Perhaps Shepard said "I'm not familiar with the drell" line if Thane was never recruited, and "What do these soldiers specialize in" - if Thane was recruited?
Still, the hanar could assist, even without Shepard actually travelling to Kahje.

[Cecilia L]

Could just be one of those dumb lines to tell newcomers to Mass Effect about the world, much like James' and Shepard's conversation on Menae about the Genophage.

Also, Shepard has a dialogue option on Eden Prime that makes her look like she'e never heard about the Protheans.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 30 juin 2012 - 08:15 .

[LanceSolous13]

RShara wrote...

........what?
Um I guess maybe if Thane was never recruited?

Never talked to more like. Its imposisble to play ME2 without recruiting him. Only Kasumi and Zaeed get a free pass.

[LoonySpectre]

It's perfectly possible not to recruit Thane, Samara/Morinth, Tali (yes, even Tali) and Legion at all.

[snackrat]

Don't suppose you have a BIGGER version of the flowchart one can actually READ that you can update the first post with?

EDIT: @LoonySpectre: Or Grunt, for that matter (though you MAY have to do Okeer's mission). Does anyone know who are the characters that MUST be recruited (or their missions done at least, even if you turn them away or whatever) before TIM will pass you onto the next phase/Act?

Modifié par Karsciyin, 30 juin 2012 - 08:19 .

[RShara]

Yep. Just do a few loyalty missions to trigger the derelict reaper, etc etc. I don't know if you can skip all of the post Horizon squaddies, but you certainly don't have to pick up all of them.

[RShara]

Karsciyin wrote...

Don't suppose you have a BIGGER version of the flowchart one can actually READ that you can update the first post with?

EDIT: @LoonySpectre: Or Grunt, for that matter (though you MAY have to do Okeer's mission). Does anyone know who are the characters that MUST be recruited (or their missions done at least, even if you turn them away or whatever) before TIM will pass you onto the next phase/Act?

Ugh I'm  so sorry.  Google likes to resize my images for me.  I fixed it so  you should be able to read it now.

[LoonySpectre]

Just do a few loyalty missions to trigger the derelict reaper, etc etc. I don't know if you can skip all of the post Horizon squaddies, but you certainly don't have to pick up all of them.

It's said in the wiki that the Collector Ship mission is triggered after completing any 5 post-Horizon missions, including anomalies. And then, the Reaper IFF mission is given immediately.

[firel]

There's no reason Thane shouldn't have been able to be saved. All of the arguments against it are built entirely on insensitivity and/or ignorance over the situation and incredibly easy to pick apart.
It's only Bioware's laziness that's the obstacle, and the fact that female players are less important and therefore it's okay to neglect them.

Meanwhile, their stocks continue to plummet.

Modifié par firel, 30 juin 2012 - 08:23 .

[RenegonSQ]

I find this to be pathetic, sorry for my harshness. To avoid being called ignorant, I'll explain why.

I agree that there should be more interaction with him before his death, but to go as far as saying you should be able to save him? It seems as though everybody wants Shepard to be God, and that has never sit well with me.

You did what you could for Thane, but we knew his time would come. And to say that Thane wasn't at peace with his death, why would he be? It's not exactly an "honorable" death, but its death all the same. I believe that Thane, of all characters, is the prime example of fighting to your last breath, but when it's time to go, it's over.

I honestly feel like if you were given the chance to save Thane, unless he could do it himself, he would reject.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 30 juin 2012 - 08:25 .

[RShara]

RenegonSQ wrote...

I find this to be pathetic, sorry for my harshness. To avoid being called ignorant, I'll explain why.

I agree that there should be more interaction with him before his death, but to go as far as saying you should be able to save him? It seems as though everybody wants Shepard to be God, and that has never sit well with me.

You did what you could for Thane, but we knew his time would come. And to say that Thane wasn't at peace with his death, why would he be? It's not exactly an "honorable" death, but its death all the same. I believe that Thane, of all characters, is the prime example of fighting to your last breath, but when it's time to go, it's over.

I honestly feel like if you were given the chance to save Thane, unless he could do it himself, he would reject.

Thank you for a reasoned opinion.  I respect that you don't want Thane to be cured and your reasoning is sound for you. 

I have to say that I don't agree.  I think that it's perfectly plausible to have a cure for Thane.  It's much less unlikely than some of the other space magic that's going on in this game, and at the very least, a life extending lung transplant is even possible *today*, let alone a couple centuries in the future.  And we aren't asking for a miraculous cure, but rather a reasoned and plausible life extension or cure.  All optional of course!

The argument we keep seeing over and over and over and over again is that it's okay for Thane to die because he was okay with dying.  I sincerely thank you for not using that argument.  

[Cecilia L]

 

Modifié par Cecilia L, 30 juin 2012 - 08:32 .

[LoonySpectre]

For all the other ex-squadmates except Legion (dies no matter what) and Jacob (lives no matter what and dumps FShep if romanced), Shepard's choices matter. In Thane's case, they do not.

[LanceSolous13]

Pretty much the same as Mordin. He has a Dramatic well written death scene, but you also have the option of saving him from death. Does this deimish the impact of his death scene? Actually, It strengthens it for me. To know that there's a choice/price to keep him alive, and to pass up that offer, added more emotion to the scene because I could have actually done something about it, even though I never would have.

Thane's death is mandatory so it slightly feels like punishment for making a choice that isn't even in existence.

And, now that I've read the Flow Chart, Hey, Life Support had been empty for the entire game.

[RenegonSQ]

RShara wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I find this to be pathetic, sorry for my harshness. To avoid being called ignorant, I'll explain why.

I agree that there should be more interaction with him before his death, but to go as far as saying you should be able to save him? It seems as though everybody wants Shepard to be God, and that has never sit well with me.

You did what you could for Thane, but we knew his time would come. And to say that Thane wasn't at peace with his death, why would he be? It's not exactly an "honorable" death, but its death all the same. I believe that Thane, of all characters, is the prime example of fighting to your last breath, but when it's time to go, it's over.

I honestly feel like if you were given the chance to save Thane, unless he could do it himself, he would reject.

Thank you for a reasoned opinion.  I respect that you don't want Thane to be cured and your reasoning is sound for you. 

I have to say that I don't agree.  I think that it's perfectly plausible to have a cure for Thane.  It's much less unlikely than some of the other space magic that's going on in this game, and at the very least, a life extending lung transplant is even possible *today*, let alone a couple centuries in the future.  And we aren't asking for a miraculous cure, but rather a reasoned and plausible life extension or cure.  All optional of course!

The argument we keep seeing over and over and over and over again is that it's okay for Thane to die because he was okay with dying.  I sincerely thank you for not using that argument.  

People who feel that way are making a ridiculous argument because even an infant knows that no one is ok with dying. It's much deeper than that. I thank you for not bashing me for opposing your argument.

While I still think a cure would be ridiculous, since I never romanced Thane I had no idea that you really don't get a connection with him. I've done two playthroughs of ME2, two with male Sheps and one femShep, and my femShep's only interest is Liara(lonely eh?) It's pretty sad that he is a LI option, but almost for no reason. If something could be done about that, something should be worked out.

[Wahukeza]

I can definitely understand why you'd feel that way, Renegon, even though I don't agree. By this point, though, I think all of us who romanced Thane would just like a little more content, and at least some recognition. The death is one thing, and personally, I'm okay with it. I'm not happy with it, of course, but I could see it coming. I would have preferred it to occur later in the game, and I do have my share of problems with it, but that's life. It's the little interaction beforehand and the lack of acknowledgement afterward (no codex entry for Thane, no Paramour achievement, noone on the squad mentioning him, a recycled email) that hurts the most.

I am not one for sunshines and lollipops endings, which is why I made my Shepard about as tragic as possible - sole survivor, colonist, jerkass Renegade with a slight Paragon streak, falling in love with a terminally ill guy - but even I thought Thane's LI treatment in ME3 was too harsh. I don't care if he's saved or not. I just want Shepard to have more to do with him before he does go, so that his death really does become as beautiful as Bioware intended it to be.

Modifié par Wahukeza, 30 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[Cecilia L]

I think all of us just want more options, that's one of the things we all love about these kind of games. I kill him off in ME2, but I'd still love to have the OPTION of having Thane as a squaddie in ME3. It makes all my 99 alternate Shepards more fun to play.

EDIT: And better treatment of his character even if he dies!

Modifié par Cecilia L, 30 juin 2012 - 08:41 .

[mythlover20]

@RenegonSQ Thank you for taking the time to explain your opinion. It's more than what other people are doing. Also, thank you for acknowledging that there is a need for more interaction with the character.

To counteract the death point: if you don't want to save him: don't. If you do, then we can. That's all we want: the option. Those who want him to die can still do so, but for those of us who want him to live, it's only fair that we be allowed to do so. EQUAL TREATMENT and all that. Just because Thane is a FemShep LI doesn't mean that he should be killed off, and leaving FemShep with only the whiney (Kaidan) and bicurious (Liara) choices.

As for the possibility of Thane rejecting any possible treatments... well, you'll need to read my post on the first page regarding the Thanemancing Demographic in order to understand this... but if you love someone, you do what it takes to stay with them. Plain and simple. If not, then no one would dare put themselves through the ordeal of chemotherapy, or surgery with low-survival odds once they were diagnosed with a terminal illness.

As for Shepard being god.... well, she may be involved in a lot of life-saving projects in some way, but she has never been a god. The genophage was cured by a Salarian, the quarian-immunity problem was solved by quarians and geth. Shepard didn't save the citadel in me1 all by herself, she had an army with her, and she had her squadmates in me2 to stop the Collectors. She may be a powerful person, but she is no god.

A Keprals cure? That would have been solved by drell and the hanar. It is the primary health issue among the drell species so you can guarantee that there are multiple projects addressing this issue. A possible cure may be finally initialised if you save Mordin during the tuchanka mission, and Thane might be given priority for any potential cure the hanar have come up with thanks to her actions during the side-mission involving Kasumi and the corrupt hanar, as well as the drell/hanar war assets. There are many ways that Thane could be saved that are not at all contrived (like the quarians) and given how it was foreshadowed all throughout ME2, and the interum between me2 and me3, NOT having a treatment is just lazy.

That's what we want most of all, a treatment. A space magic cure is also lazy and terrible, and I agree that such a path should not be taken. But a life-extending treatment is another matter entirely. it would allow the additional content and offer opportunities for a romanced Shep and Thane to establish more of a relationship, so that when he finally does die, it would have a much more positive impact. And by positive I mean the lack of anger that we have felt at the terrible way it and he was impliment.

Don't know if that makes sense to anyone else....

Modifié par mythlover20, 30 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[RenegonSQ]

Wahukeza wrote...

I can definitely understand why you'd feel that way, Renegon, even though I don't agree. By this point, though, I think all of us who romanced Thane would just like a little more content, and at least some recognition. The death is one thing, and personally, I'm okay with it. I'm not happy with it, of course, but I could see it coming. I would have preferred it to occur later in the game, and I do have my share of problems with it, but that's life. It's the little interaction beforehand and the lack of acknowledgement afterward (no codex entry for Thane, no Paramour achievement, noone on the squad mentioning him, a recycled email) that hurts the most.

I am not one for sunshines and lollipops endings, which is why I made my Shepard about as tragic as possible - sole survivor, colonist, jerkass Renegade with a slight Paragon streak, falling in love with a terminally ill guy - but even I thought Thane's LI treatment in ME3 was too harsh. I don't care if he's saved or not. I just want Shepard to have more to do with him before he does go, so that his death really does become as beautiful as Bioware intended it to be.

I can definitely relate, being that I was also a Renegade with a paragon streak who romanced Ashely, who you couldn't even really speak to at all and was almost just slapped in as a last minute romance. If you can't connect, why make it a romance?