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[Moira-chan]

yeah i understand this, but i just mean this one last move...he stood so often quiete near, shot, but don't hit him...i was suprised...

[LoonySpectre]

There can be other explanations regarding to "why Thane didn't shoot". His aim could have suffered due to overexertion (he could be dizzy, his hands could be trembling, or something). Perhaps he controlled his body well enough to still use biotics, throw punches and even delivering a roundhouse kick, but couldn't aim the gun precisely.
Though jumping straight on KL's sword is still unexplainable, that's for sure.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 30 juin 2012 - 06:44 .

[Moira-chan]

i would accept for 1-2 times but when i watched it in slow it was around 5 times and just at this points...noo...but well, i guess you know what i mean xD i don't want to insult him, thats last thing i would do, at this point the only one i was insulting was my shep for eating popcore

[Julia_xo]

LoonySpectre wrote...

There can be other explanations regarding to "why Thane didn't shoot". His aim could have suffered due to overexertion (he could be dizzy, his hands could be trembling, or something). Perhaps he controlled his body well enough to still use biotics, throw punches and even delivering a roundhouse kick, but couldn't aim the gun precisely.
Though jumping straight on KL's sword is still unexplainable, that's for sure.

What about the bit when Thane biotically knocked Kai Leng across the room? Why didn't everyone start shooting while he was still on the ground. It was just unbelievable to me that no one did anything with such a clear shot at KL.

The whole scene is just extremely poorly thought out.

[Renmiri1]

He didn't want to kill again.

That is my headcannon at least. Still, jumping on the sword.. Would never happen

[wildannie]

Thinking about romanced Thane's story arc it struck me that I don't think that they got one single thing right about it, it was all completely awful... and has anyone owned up to it yet?

[Julia_xo]

wildannie wrote...

Thinking about romanced Thane's story arc it struck me that I don't think that they got one single thing right about it, it was all completely awful... and has anyone owned up to it yet?

The only one to admit to any mistake was Patrick Weekes when he said they forgot Thane was a LI and that they neglected to have other characters mention his death because he was optional content. He blamed it on being the drawback of a large writing team which doesn't make much sense to me. I still can't fully believe they just forgot about him. It's so unprofessional. Also, Thane was a huge part of the marketing for ME2 and the fans sent them the "Cure Thane" banner which they supported and hung up in their office. How do you forget about a character whose banner is hanging in your office?

Modifié par Julia_xo, 30 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[Roxy]

Julia_xo wrote...

wildannie wrote...

Thinking about romanced Thane's story arc it struck me that I don't think that they got one single thing right about it, it was all completely awful... and has anyone owned up to it yet?

The only one to admit to any mistake was Patrick Weekes when he said they forgot Thane was a LI and that they neglected to have other characters mention his death because he was optional content. He blamed it on being the drawback of a large writing team which doesn't make much sense to me. I still can't fully believe they just forgot about him. It's so unprofessional. Also, Thane was a huge part of the marketing for ME2 and the fans sent them the "Cure Thane" banner which they supported and hung up in their office. How do you forget about a character whose banner is hanging in your office?

I have to say the guys got guts to come forward and admit that but come on you "forgot" your not supposed to forget a character you made for female players...lame excuse!

If they can cure the genophage then they can cure Thane or come up with an option to save him.... simple as that there are miracles out there and if you don't believe in miracles then  Space magic bioware space magic!

[RShara]

in my Flowchart there are a couple of different ways to let Thane live, but it becomes easier the closer you are to him.

For the shooting thing, I have to disagree. Thane was already primed to kill KL right at the beginning, and for some reason, decided not to pull the trigger

[utaker1988]

Since I am aware that some are opposed to graphic pics of Thane getting stabbed, I am only putting the link and not the image. When he finally does pull the trigger at Leng's head...plot armor dictates Leng lives.

Leng Plot Armor 

[ChampDude]

Yeah of all the characters that got shafted in ME3, I think Thane is the standout. Really hope some DLC revolves around him as he was my favourite new squad-mate from ME2

[mnomaha]

I've never seen Thane as "optional". To me, characters like Zaeed and Kasumi are optional. They were DLC squaddies.

[RShara]

Yeah I never got that either. He's as optional as any of the ME2 squadmates. I'd like to see Bioware suggest Tali was optional

[coldwetn0se]

Squeegee83 wrote...

I feel like this "coherence" idea is only being directed at us and in truth can apply to other romances, if there was only one outcome for them. i.e example (it's not how I feel, I am just saying)

If there was only one outcome to these romances:

Miranda: She gave up her life to save her sister. People get shot everyday, that's realistic.
Jack: Died because you didn't go rescue her. People don't always rescue everyone, that's realistic.
Tali: She takes her own life. People commit suicide, that's realistic.
Kaiden/Ashley: Where murdered by Shep. Friends do shoot each other, that's realistic.
Thane: Was dying from a terminal illness. People die from diseases, that's realistic. However there was no option granted here.

I can argue facts until I am blue in the face. I just choose not too anymore. Instead I will make the most honest statement regarding this whole thing. People may agree or disagree with me, but at least respect the honesty in it.

"I just wanted to save him, I don't care how Walt Disney it is. I just wanted to play ME3 with Thane in it. I don't need to be taught a lesson about life and death, I already learned that lesson in real life. I don't think an option would have taken anything away from anyone. I surely didn't buy ME3 to end up hurt by a game".

Very well said, my dear!  And I have no problem admitting I like Disney too.......I may know how to enjoy a darker ending, but in an RPG, I like options.  Period.

[LoonySpectre]

RShara wrote...

in my Flowchart there are a couple of different ways to let Thane live, but it becomes easier the closer you are to him.

For the shooting thing, I have to disagree. Thane was already primed to kill KL right at the beginning, and for some reason, decided not to pull the trigger

That's why I think that Kolyat should have done that "gun cocking" routine. He's nowhere near proficient in killing as Thane so he could have done that rookie mistake.

[RShara]

lol I'd be okay with Kolyat being there instead, but only if he doesn't die

[Moira-chan]

i think kolyat would even make more sense. after LM he started working for bailey, so that he has a personal manner to stopp kai leng, because kolyat is kind of inofficial c-sec worker now, so he has all reason to go there and stopp the assassin who tries to infiltrate the citadell...
well...more than his father...and than, as looney spectre said, thane had a reason to fight, for protecting or revange, that belongs to however this scene went out and then it would all make more sense

[Emphyr]

I didnt/do not follow this tread completly.. just speedrunned it.

But you have my support.<3

Also i think you have to hear what Archengeia is thinking about Thane's death.
I think it may help.

it starts about 1:32.50


Take care.

Modifié par Emphyr, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[Moira-chan]

Emphyr wrote...

I didnt/do not follow this tread completly.. just speedrunned it.

But you have my support.
Also i think you have to hear what Archengeia is thinking about Thane's death.
I think it may help.

it starts about 1:32.50


Take care.

thanks for your support

i will watch this video directly after i'm done with my university stuff, thanks for giving it to us

[mnomaha]

@Moira...no, do NOT watch the video.

[LoonySpectre]

The "modified" Kai Leng scene that might include Kolyat.

Thane dead OR alive but never spoken to in Huerta, his loyalty mission not done/screwed up, Kirrahe dead: Kai Leng kills the Councilor and runs away (Thane later dies if was alive).
Thane dead OR alive but never spoken to in Huerta, his loyalty mission not done/screwed up, Kirrahe alive: Kai Leng kills Kirrahe and runs away (Thane later dies if was alive).
Thane dead, his loyalty mission done, Kolyat was punished by community service: Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng quickly disarms and grievously wounds him, then runs away under Shepard's (and Kirrahe's, if alive) fire. Kolyat is rushed to hospital, but dies similarly to Thane. Some Shepard/Kolyat dialogue possible, including Thane LI-specific.
Thane dead, his loyalty mission done, Kolyat was employed by Bailey: Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng gets stuck in fight with him, then runs away under Shepard's (and Kirrahe's, if alive) fire. Kolyat is badly beaten and rushed to the hospital, but there's nothing life-threatening so he survives. Some Shepard/Kolyat dialogue possible, including Thane LI-specific.
Thane alive but never spoken to, his loyalty mission done, Kolyat was punished by community services: Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng quickly disarms and grievously wounds him, then runs away under Shepard's (and Kirrahe's, if alive) fire. Kolyat is rushed to hospital; Thane donates blood to him and dies (possibly some dialogue between him and Michelle/Chakwas when he insists on giving blood, along the lines of "I'll die soon anyway, but at least I'll keep my son alive), Kolyat survives because of that transfusion.
Thane alive but never spoken to, his loyalty mission done, Kolyat was employed by Bailey: Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng gets stuck in fight with him, then runs away under Shepard's (and Kirrahe's, if alive) fire. Kolyat is badly beaten and rushed to the hospital, but there's nothing life-threatening so he survives. Some dialogue between Thane and Kolyat before Thane succumbs to his illness.
(Thane dies in the two above examples because, well, if Shepard doesn't want to talk with his/her friend/loved one, s/he obviously isn't interested in keeping him alive.)
Thane alive, but not loyal OR FShep decides to break up with him OR MShep tells him something harsh when Thane tells him he's not going to return: current scene plays out, Thane dies.
And then, there are lots of possibilities for "Thane alive and loyal" part, for instance:
Kirrahe dead, Thane non-romanced, Kolyat was punished by community services:  Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng quickly disarms and grievously wounds him. A very pissed off Thane joins the fight, biotically throws Kai Leng across the room, Kai Leng recovers, shoots Thane and runs away. Thane stays with Kolyat (telling Shepard the wound wasn't serious) while Shepard chases Kai Leng. Then Shepard meets a weakened and bandaged, but alive Thane over Kolyat's bed in the hospital and receives a fetch quest for drell blood. If the "Hanar diplomat" quest was done, Shepard can requisition some blood through the Spectre terminal immediately, otherwise he needs to travel to Kahje and back. On quest's completion, Thane says he's not capable of any fighting anymore and will stay on the Citadel, dedicating his remaining days to Kolyat. If Shepard delays the quest for too long, Thane donates blood to Kolyat and dies.
Kirrahe dead, Thane non-romanced, Kolyat was employed by Bailey:  Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng gets stuck in fight with him and shoots him. A very pissed off Thane joins the fight, biotically throws Kai Leng across the room, Kai Leng runs away. Thane stays with Kolyat while Shepard chases Kai Leng. Then Shepard meets Thane visiting a wounded Kolyat in the hospital. Thane says he'd like to remain with Kolyat and stays on the Citadel (possibly adding to the "Citadel defence" resources).
Kirrahe alive, Thane non-romanced, Kolyat was punished by community services:  Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng quickly disarms and grievously wounds him. A very pissed off Thane joins the fight, biotically throws Kai Leng across the room, then Kirrahe and Shepard shoot at him, forcing him to run away.  Thane stays with Kolyat while Shepard chases Kai Leng. Then Shepard meets Thane over Kolyat's bed in the hospital and receives a fetch quest for drell blood. If the "Hanar diplomat" quest was done, Shepard can requisition some blood through the Spectre terminal immediately, otherwise he needs to travel to Kahje and back. On quest's completion, Thane says he'd like to remain with Kolyat and stays on the Citadel (possibly adding to the "Citadel defence" resources). If Shepard delays the quest for too long, Thane donates blood to Kolyat and dies.
Kirrahe alive, Thane non-romanced, Kolyat was employed by Bailey:  Kolyat does the "gun-cocking" thing, Kai Leng gets stuck in fight with him, then Kirrahe joins the fight and drives Kai Leng away. Thane appears, exhausted, and says something about "being too late to the party", then congratulates Kolyat, thanks Kirrahe and tells Shepard he's just not "up to it" anymore - "you see, my son got here quicker than me". Shepard gets an opportunity to persuade Thane to work on the Crucible, and Kolyat is added either to "Hanar/drell" or "Citadel Defence" resources.
There can be some more variations for a romanced Thane and some depending on whether LotSB was played, but this post is already very big :happy:

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:34 .

[Ageless Face]

You have my support for better content for Thane, if it means anything. I never romanced him, but I did see him as one of the better ME characters. The small content he got didn't do his great character much justice. He deserves better, and so are his fans.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 01 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[Emphyr]

mnomaha wrote...

@Moira...no, do NOT watch the video.

If i made a mistake by linking the vid, i apologize. As is said i only speedrunned this topic and maybe i misunderstood that one of the points was that Thane should have killed KL. ( which i think should have happened)

To give some personal background, i lost my father (cancer 3 years)when he was 43,  1 sister died on cancer after a 7 year fight and i was with her every night during her 4 last weeks.

I think that is one of the reasons that i did not let have the scene in the Hospital with Thane and KL any impact on me.
I just shielded myself in that scene.

In my playtroughs all 3 games i didnt romance anyone. The main reason was i would not let myself getting in a emotional situation and taking the risk Bioware would take that away in a way that made no sence to me.

I see myself dooing the ssame IRL, I do let ppl get close (until a certain point) then i am shielding.
Off corse i love my friends, the family i do have left and my 2 cats.

You all take care
Regards from The Netherlands (Eu).