- More differences between friend vs romanced Shepard?
- Additional and improved conversations?
- More/improved character development?
- Side missions (a la ME2 loyalty missions)?
- Recruitment to the Normandy?
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NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS:
1. Single Player DLC. Final SP DLC has been announced! Romance content will apparently be present.
2. Blog Submissions. If you want to submit a Character Spotlight or screenshots for Screenshot Thursday, now is the time! Just PM me or coldwetn0se on BSN. Absolutely nothing after March 1st, however. See below.
3. Closing up of the Cosmic Love blog. When we started this inititative, we said we'd keep it going until BioWare said "no more SP DLC". Well, the volus has now sung. So, that means we will be "closing up shop" so to speak. Of course this forum thread will remain available as long as BioWare allows it, but we will be halting the development of the ME3 Cosmic Love blog.
NOTE: The final posting on the blog will be on March 5th, the date of DLC release. After this, the blog will remain open for comment until the end of the month, but will not contain any new content. From April 1st and on, commenting will be disabled and the blog will be considered in it's final "archival state".
4. BSN Thread. As stated above, this thread will of course remain available as long as BioWare allows it to, and I'm sure many folks will have comments to share once the DLC has been released. I will continue to self-moderate and update this thread until 3/5. After this, the initial post will be considered in it's final state, and I will no longer update it or self-moderate the thread.
Thank you again to everyone who has participated in this thread, the one on HTL, the blog, and the initiative as a whole!
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OLD ANNOUNCEMENTS:
1. Important Post. Please check out the Focus Friday for 12/7 on the blog -- it's an important post explaining a new issue we found with the survey. If you have any questions, please feel free to post on the thread here, or on the blog.
2. Blog hits. The blog has reached 37,000 hits! Pretty amazing. We have new posts M-F to try to keep everyone engaed and interested. Check it out at: http://me3cosmiclove.wordpress.com/
3. Twitter. We are still on Twitter! Follow our profile, here. Tweets will appear on the blog, as well.
4. Spread the word. Help us retweet, reblog, link our posts on FB and tumblr -- we can only do so much alone. Help keep the thread on BSN active through commenting. Remember that you don't have to sign up for a WordpRess account in order to share your thoughts on the blog. Filling out the survey was a huge necessary step, but it's incredibly important to continue to be pro-active and spread the word -- while there are still DLCs yet to come!
5. Blog submissions. We are always looking for more submissions for the blog's Character Spotlight and Screenshot Thursday columns. If you need more information, check out the blog, or ask myself, coldwetn0se, or sarahann62380 BSN.
6. Christmas Submissions. We have plans for a special Christmas post on the blog! The theme is "Christmas in Mass Effect". Submit your own original artwork, or take some screenshots and go Photoshop-wild! Then, send them to us, and we'll post them all in a gallery for Christmas Day
7. BioWare Reaction. This is a frequent question for us from players. We have recieved a small amount of feedback from BioWare over Twitter and via 1 or 2 of the forum moderators. That's all, though, nothing substantial. The feedback that we have received was positive.
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MORE OLD ANNOUNCEMENTS:
1. Thanks for 20,000 hits on the blog, everyone. We've prepared a treat for you over there
2. Survey results and Blog ARE UP AS OF 8/20!! http://me3cosmiclove.wordpress.com/
We will be keeping the blog active as much as we can, but we need folks to participate!. Here are our current plans for posting:
- Monday Musings--------a shorter post regarding ME3 Romance DLC
- Quote of the Week------published on Wednesdays; a feature of some of the best quotes from the survey
- Focus Fridays-------------a longer post featuring one LI or aspect of the survey, covered in more depth
Show BioWare your support by visiting and commenting often. Comments DO NOT require a WordPress account, but DO require a (nick)name and email (not published).
3. BSN polls are closed. They were open from 6/30-7/3. See link in my sig. Quick summary:
- 81% of 1146 respondents want a Romance DLC
- 85% of 1045 respondents are willing to pay $5+; 43% are willing to pay $10+
- GARRUS was the most popular male love interest, with KAIDAN and THANE tied for 2nd and 3rd place (1232 respondents).
- LIARA was the most popular female love interest, followed by TALI and MIRANDA (1232 respondents).
- Of the ME2 LIs in ME3, 28% of 881 respondents thought THANE'S romance was in most need of improvement. MIRANDA and JACK were tied for 2nd and 3rd place, each with 16% of the vote.
- 7900 completed surveys. Huge success! Thank you everyone!
- Survey results are currently being compiled. Projected completion = early August.
- Due to a software import issue, results will no longer be run through a statistical analysis. However, they will still be summarized into a report (think charts, tables, etc). I'm waiting on some additional details on this, and will post them when I have them.
- Looking for some original artwork of Traynor/FemShep & Kelly/FemShep/MaleShep to be included in the report we'll be sending to BW. If you want to contribute, please PM me the details and a link to the artwork, so I can take a look. Thanks! (Note: We have all the other LIs covered....I think, lol.)
- Also putting together a WordPress blog to accompany the initiative
BEFORE POSTING:
1. If you post in this forum, it is expected that you will read this first post in it's entirety. If you can't be bothered to read this post, then please don't bother posting.
2. This thread is not the appropriate place to debate what changes to LIs are needed. That is already being done in the appropriate character threads. It does not need to be re-hashed here.
3. If you are not in support of this DLC, then state your opinion constructively. I do not want this thread turning into a flame war.
4. Don't feed or be a troll.
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REASON FOR THREAD:
When Bioware was soliciting suggestions on BSN and HTL for what players wanted to see in the ME3 Extended Cut (EC), some of the most common suggestions were related to the treatment of ME3 romances, especially ME2 romances in ME3. Namely, much of the playerbase, for a variety of reasons, felt the romances were not given proper screen-time and consideration.
With the release of the EC, it has now become evident that most of the suggestions regarding improvements to romances did not make the cut. However, the EC was about the game ending, rather than the romances, so to an extent this was to be expected. In addition, Bioware has already stated that there will not be additional post-ending DLCs, however, they could, and likely will, still release pre-ending DLCs.
This thread is in support of exactly that. A pre-ending Romance DLC Pack expanding on the current treatment of all LIs in ME3. Please read on to see what we are talking about. This is not about demanding [more] sex scenes, but rather bringing ME3 romances up to the quality they were in ME1&2. More story-driven content with LIs, proper side missions, better quality dialogue, cuddle-time, etc.
HOWEVER....
This DLC should be implemented in a way to retain as much of the current treatment as possible. This way the play experience of people who are already happy with the current state of the LIs is not disrupted.
For example, if someone likes the current treatment of Thane, there needs to be an option to retain his current storyline (battle with Kai Leng, his death, etc), while still experiencing improvements to, say, Tali's romance. This should be fairly easily for Bioware to implement using the dialogue wheel at various points in the game.
In other words, the purpose is not to take away from the experience of other players, but rather to add options to what is currently present, with the intent of improving the experiences of everyone.
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IMPORTANT NOTE ON REUNION DLC REQUESTS:
We are not requesting (though certainly would not reject) a post-ending "Reunion DLC." While many players would like to see this, Bioware has already alluded to the fact that this is not on their radar.
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GOALS OF THIS THREAD:
DONE -- 1. Find out how much support there would be for this DLC.
DONE -- 2. Get people to vote in the 4 Romance DLC BSN Polls. BSN Polls are closed.
DONE -- 2.5 Get people to vote in the NEW SURVEY over on Survey Monkey. BSN & HTL polls were extremely positive. As a result, HTL created a new, more in depth survey, here on Survey Monkey. The survey was created using the suggestions posted in this thread, and the corresponding thread over on HTL. Results will be subjected to a statistical analysis and summarized in a report to be sent to Bioware. Survey is now closed.
ONGOING -- 3. Compile the most common suggestions for how players would like to see the DLC implemented for each LI. This way BW has a one-stop reference thread.
********Please help me do this by posting your own suggestions. I'll compile each one into this post at the beginning of the thread for everyone/BW to reference.*******
ONGOING -- 4. Provide a thread for all players who support improvements to ME3 romances to interact with each other. This is difficult, as most discussions of this nature generally take place in the separate character threads.
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LINKS
Other related BSN threads (most pre-date the ME3 EC):
- Small LI Improvements for EC or DLC, w/Minimal Dev Resources
- Would you buy a Romance DLC or Story Driven DLC...
- Would you pay for specific romance dlc?
- Love Interest DLC
- Fixes for ME3 LIs -- by thehomeworld
- Romance DLC ideas for VS
- More Sam & Steve in ME3 DLC
- Kal-Reegar DLC, Miracle on Palaven -- put hereat the request of Ares Keith. This DLC is not romance-related, per se, but it would provide the opportunity to keep Reegar alive, and then potentially include him as a new LI for Shepard
- Romance DLC thread on HTL (Please go register and vote in their poll, as well, to show your support!)
- earendil87's post on deviantART
- Protesting the Treatment of ME2 Romances in ME3 on FB
- German ME Site Featuring this thread
- Reddit thread
- Tumblr Post
ROMANCE DLC SUGGESTIONS:
General Suggestions
These suggestions apply to all LIs that appear in ME3, and are some of the most commonly made suggestions from players in this thread. Some of these suggestions require additional content, whereas others are improvements/alterations to current content.
***Note: Players, please keep in mind that not EVERYONE needs to agree with these, this is simply to itemize the most common suggestions, so that BW can see what's on our minds.***
- Better quality treatment, and more content-- this is a recurring suggestion; players feel their LIs were not given due treatment in ME3, especially ME2 LIs
- More romance-specific dialogue -- additional content so you feel the romance matters, and is a real part of Shep's life, rather than an afterthought
- Less auto-dialogue -- as this might not actually fit our version of Shep, and how they would react to LI/squadmate/crew member, etc
- Side missions/Story-Driven -- either only with your LI (Kasumi-style), or with multiple LI's that each have a role in the Mission (i.e. a Cerberus Mission where Miranda, Jack, and Jacob play important roles); either way, a return to the "loyalty type" missions in ME2
- Invite LI up to Shep's Quarters -- like in ME2, but with options for dialogue AND cuddle-time, having drinks/coffee, possibly allow LI to move into the cabin with Shephard
- Friend vs LI -- more noticable differences in dialogue, behaviors, body language, dates, etc; the LI should feel different and special to Shephard
- ME2 LIs -- better treatment overall, including all ME2 characters as full, recruitable, squadmates; all ME2 LIs should feel importnat to the story again, rather than "tacked on" and peripheral, additional content, etc
- Romance scenes -- Put all LIs on the same playing-field. Romance scenes should be present for all LIs, and all should be of Kaidan/Ashley/Liara quality. Having some type of physical interaction prior to "the scene" at the end wouldn't be a bad thing.
- "Faithful" Reward -- a perk to staying faithful to an LI in more than 1 game. Obviously would not be applicable to Cortez/Traynor. Reward could increase if you stay faithful through all 3 games (only would apply to VS/Liara).
- Better Handling of Love Triangles -- created in ME3 depending on Shep's LI choices in ME1/2; many players would appreciate more control over these situations via dialogue wheel/interrupts in order to avoid them altogether, have them be minimally confrontational, or have a major confrontation (i.e., harsh words between the LIs, physical aggression, etc)
- FemShep -- more equality, especially on the number of LIs available and the options present for straight vs same-sex romances
- End Assault -- the final assult to get to the Citadel is a major event in the story, so many players feel it would make sense to have all squadmates present, rather than in different locations
- Dates/Extras -- additional armor/clothing sets, dancing animations, mail from LIs, date/"love you" options via the dialogue wheel, dates specific to each LI, travel to the LI's home planet and meet their parents, conversation options regarding "future" plans, additions to Shep's cabin indicating LI presence there (engineering plans, poetry books, prothean artifacts, sniper rifles, etc) , blue/green/tan/purple babies, marraige option, etc
These are suggestions that pertain to specific LIs. Some may overlap with the general suggestions above, but are provided here in greater detail for clarity (i.e., some LIs are *especially* lacking in dialogue, etc). These may also reference a specific inconsistancy/bug regarding the LI that would benefit from being rectified.
Ashley Williams
- Alternate Appearance -- more similar to ME1; bun or ponytail hair
- Alternate armor/clothing sets -- again to be more consistant with ME1/2 and plot. Possible options include the typical Alliance uniform, a Spectre set similar to Kaidan or Vasir, an Alliance version of the N7 Demolisher armor,
- Improved/additional conversations -- esp when her family is present; more dialogue on the Citadel during/post injury recovery, post-coup dialogue, conversation referring to "apology letter", less confrontational if Collector base was destroyed at the end of ME2, more dialogue in romance scene
- Side Missions/Content -- more details about what took place for her during ME2/Horizon; mission to Virmire that generates war assests depending on state of relationship, should be dialogue about death of Kaidan/others
- Date -- improved date on the Citadel
- Aboard Normandy -- potentially include a confrontation with thecrew (maybe just Joker, even) about trust in the face of meeting with Shepard. Also, VS show discomfort with EDI 's new body would make sense, plotwise. More time and conversations, generally.
- Possible bugs -- missing lines in date scene, memorial scene, Ashley-Liara banter; see link here
- Side Mission -- to Palavan dealing with the family members he referenced earlier in ME (father, sick mom, sister)
- Same-sex LI -- possibly make romanceable by MaleShep, as well
- Additional dialogue/interactions -- needed
- Side Mission -- Cerberus storyline, possibilty also involving Miranda; loyalty mission involving finding her biological parents
- Death -- Acknowledgement of her death by crew/squad, if it occurs
- Character inconsistancy -- remedy discrepancies between ME2 and ME3 romanced Jacob; reversion to "honest & principled" Jacob in ME2
- Additional LI dialogue/interactions -- discussion about his conduct between ME2 and ME3, give FemShep the ability to react more harshly (punch/kick him, etc)
- Conversation -- more romance-specific banter, more interactions after Thessia; more dialogue on the Citadel during/post injury recovery, conversation referring to "apology letter", less confrontational if Collector base was destroyed at the end of ME2
- Side Missions -- related to them during ME2/Horizon; with his Biotic Special Ops Group; "meet the parents"; mission to Virmire that generates war assests depending on state of
relationship, should be dialogue about death of Ashley/others - Same Sex relationship -- include dialogue that makes it more apparent that MaleShep has been interested in Kaidan since ME1; something that bridges the storyline from ME1/2 to ME3 for MaleSheps that import a game into ME3
- Aboard Normandy -- potentially include a confrontation with thecrew (maybe just Joker, even) about trust in the face of meeting with Shepard. Also, VS show discomfort with EDI 's new body would make sense, plotwise.
- Improvements to Thessia -- dialogue, planetary exploration, etc
BUG -- Liara should aknowledge if a romance was rekindled in LotSBFIXED
- Side mission -- campaign against Cerberus/Cerberus Story Arc, possibly with Jack; cure for sterility
- Recruitment -- prior to Sanctuary would make sense in the context of the current story
- Normandy -- more time and conversation
- Additional LI dialogue/interactions -- needed
- Additional content/LI dialogue -- needed
- Crew interactions -- Sam should interact and converse with with crew more, as would be appropriate for her position
- Off the Normandy -- get Sam off the Normandy, similar to Steve; a date would be nice, as well
- Treatment as LI -- True romance option/fuller treatment
- Additional dialogue/content -- needed
- Death -- Acknowledgement of her death by crew/squad, if it occurs
- Side Mission -- Justicar Temple, possibly under Reaper attack
- Side Mission -- possibly involving Steve's favorite Trident (could be new playable vehicle)
- Improved character development -- especially between the first date and the pre-Cronos love scene
- Love Scene -- treatment of sex scene more on par with Kaidan's
- Plot -- Steve listening to Robert's recording seems a bit obtrustive, volume-wise, possibly make the moment that Shepard witnesses seem a bit more private
- Unmasked! -- the chance to see Tali's face when she takes off her mask
- Photo -- please fix the stock photo
- Additional LI dialogue -- needed
- Date -- implement a on Citadel/Rannoch or somewhere else in line with story/plot
- Same-sex LI -- possibly make romanceable to FemShep, as well
- Illness -- option for a cure; alternative to Kai Leng fight sequence
- Side mission -- possibly to Kahje
- Character inconsistancy -- remedy discrepancies between ME2 and ME3 romanced Thane; make ME3 LI Thane truer to ME2 LI Thane
- Love Scene -- replace current "romance" scene (feels out of character and inapporpriate)
- Additional LI dialogue and interactions -- needed
- Death Scene -- more differences between romanced and non-romanced Thane; FemShep should be able to cry, etc
- Death -- Acknowledgement of his death by crew/squad, if it occurs; FemShep should be able to talk with them about it
- Paramour Achievement -- provide FemSheps credit for this
- Autodialogue -- removal/modification of comment about Kaidan, when FemShep is at the hospital to see Thane
- Kolyat -- more interactions subsequent to Thane's death, possible involvement in a mission
Additional LI Suggestions
Some players feel like there should be additional LI choices. The following is a list of all suggestions received, with the characters in boldface tending to be the most popular.
KASUMI
-- pst, let's see her faceJames Vega -- Online petition, here.
Aria T'Loak
Joker
Zaeed
Gianna Parisini
Javik
Kal'Reegar
Legion
Shiala
Eve
DLC Implementation Ideas
Players have had a few different ideas on how to get improvements to our romances in ME3.
- A single, "Romance DLC Paramour Pack" -- this would be a large DLC and include all content
- Multiple smaller packs -- multiple smaller packs would ensure proper treatment for all romances; for example, a Cerberus Mission pack could contain additional story/LI content for Miranda, Jack, and Jacob.
- ME1/ME2/ME3 LI packs -- some folks suggested this as another logical way to divide up the DLC and make it a bit more manageable
- VS/Liara/Team-Dextro/ME3/rest of ME2 packs -- in this example, the player has the most control over the DLC content provided
- Great DLC outline idea by coldwetn0se -- link here; more ideas. In this example, new romance content is implemented into the forthcoming Omega DLC.
- Great DLC ideas by Emeraldfern -- these would be multiple story-based small packs with 2-3LIs each
- Potential release date for DLC could be 02/14/2013
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