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MOAR LIARA

[Terrorize69]

Taboo-XX wrote...

TIM spent billions credits rebuilding Shepard.

thread/

Fixed

Enjoy knowing TIM is your sugar daddy.

[Dendio1]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

TIM spent billions credits rebuilding Shepard.

thread/

Fixed

Enjoy knowing TIM is your sugar daddy.

TIM is everyones sugar daddy
Dat Voice

Modifié par Dendio1, 30 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[Terrorize69]

Steel Dancer wrote...

Dragon_Effect 15511 wrote...

No cure for thane. His death was perfect. Why do people ask for this? You knew he was dying. If you wanted a full romance you should have romanced someone else.

Out of curiousity: Would you be opposed to the possibility of Thane surviving only if romanced? If so, why?
 
Personally I'd have a hard time seeing why anyone would object to that...

*ahem*

Somewhat more on-topic: The actual form of the DLCs.

Some people have mentioned linking them into story-based DLCs. The main problem is of course that characters can be kinda dead from the Suicide Run in ME2. Problematic.

A solution is needed for this potentially awkward situation, as dragging dead-and-probably-atomized bodies around is generally considered something of a social faux pas: So we make the DLCs not *quite* character specific.

Now you're staring at the screen thinking "what the hell is this idiot going on about?"

Clarification: Make the story of the DLC one that suits a character such as Thane or Jack - and if they're alive they can be used in it to achieve a better result or greater effect over anyone else - But they don't have to be alive for the DLC to be used.

Now realistically I'm aware that it could be a logistical nightmare, but it IS an idea.

Any more thoughts on this or should I just shut up and go back to making lame puns?

Personally I think that any way of keeping him alive should be exclusive to someone who romanced him.

Exclusive content for certain LIs. Would. Be. Epic.

Top secret Cerberus base attack, Miri mancers only.
Thane cure mission, Thanemancers only.
Hiest, Kasumancers
Corsair mission, Jacob only.
Returning to Virmire with VS Romance, VS Romance only.
Saving Kelly from Cerberus operatives, Kellymancer only

Etc, etc.

Would make every play through alot more unqiue.

[Ryzaki]

Hell no.

No mission should be exclusive to a damn romance. That's rage inducing.

To a friendship? Sure. You have to have enough trust? Sure whatever.

But romance them? Hell no.

[giftfish]

Xilizhra wrote...

So here's my question. I laud your aim here, and I wouldn't be opposed to an LI DLC, but how do you propose to get Bioware to actually make one? Assuming you want one to actually happen, you'll somehow need to restart another Retake movement that can get Bioware to undo its statement about not redoing the endings, and somehow gain enough support to counteract the fact that most players don't romance anyone.

How will this actually be done?

We can't force Bioware into doing anything.  

This is about letting Bioware know that players are interested in this and would be willing to spend money on it.  It's also about letting them know what we would want to see if they created a DLC of this nature.  I wasn't even sure what the response would be when I posted the thread and the polls yesterday, so I'm very pleasantly surprised right now

This also is not about getting Bioware to redo the endings (again), or release a reunion-type pack, though I know alot of players would like to see this (myself included).  They have already stated that this is not on their radar.  Rather, this is about trying to give them some motivation to release pre-ending DLC that would add content to and improve the state of the romances/LIs in ME3.

Honestly, I'm just a player like everyone else here that cares about this stuff.  I'm not even remotely a social media queen or anything of that nature (quite the opposite, in fact), as far as initiatives go, etc.  I'm also only one person. 

What I did see, however,  was an opportunity to try to unite all the supporters of different LIs across the various BSN threads into a single location.  Strength in numbers.  This way Bioware can see it's not just a few people here and there taking over certain character/LI threads trying to get changes made to "their" favored character.  There is a wide range of support for this, across all ME3 LIs.

One player has already suggested that I get on Twitter and tweet about the polls to certain Bioware staff, which is a great suggestion --just to make sure they are paying attention.  I would like to wait until we get closer to 1000 votes, but, we'll see.

Also, a similar poll was created over on HTL the day before I posted this one.  They are trying to determine if there is enough support to make a real initiative worthwhile.  I can't speak for what they plan on doing as a result, but I'm certainly more than happy to help, if they want me to.

As far as your statement that most players don't romance anyone, all I can say is that from reading the suggestions from players for the EC, improvements to romance/LI/story content, were some of the most common suggestions I saw.  There do seem to be alot of players interested in this.  And, depending on how it was implemented, say BW added some side missions, for example, I don't see why those shouldn't be available to everyone, but contain varying content if you are a LI. There are more suggestions about this on the inital post.

[americanidiot53]

I would appreciate individual missions as DLC. Through that, I think the characters could be fleshed out more and new ones could come out possibly every month(? I'm not sure how much development time these would take). Definitely would go for some character specific DLC though.

[giftfish]

Don't forget to vote in poll question #4, which was put up later on yesterday, after the other polls!

[coldwetn0se]

I pray this doesn't end up to messy.....so apologies to anyones "eyes" who go cross trying to make sense of this.  NONE of the storylines are fleshed out in the slightest, so feel free to add actual story content/gameplay if you are so inclined. And since I am primarily a Thanemancer, his content is more thorough than the others. Here it goes:

Story DLC Highlighting ME2 Ex-Squadmates

*NOTE* With the way this would be implemented, anyone could play this DLC regardless of what ME2 squadmates are alive or dead.  Since this is meant to highlight the ME2 squaddies who were NOT made into ME3 squaddies, Garrus and Tali will be counted towards the ME3 squad list.  Lastly, depending on when this would be played, and who is still alive at the time, the available player list could change (replayability, yes??).  Legion has been left out because of his current role in ME3.
Cast:  (available teammates between 3 - 9 ) 
From ME2: Thane
                   Mordin
                   Jack
                   Samara
                   Miranda
                   Jacob
                   Grunt
                   Zaeed
                   Kasumi
(If at least three of these members are not available, the following are left to choose from)
From ME3: James
                    Liara
                    EDI
                    Ashley/Kaidan
                    Garrus
                    Tail
Preface for Available Temp Squadmates: From the ME2 squad list, any and all could be dead.  If ALL ME2 cast listed are dead, it defaults to available ME3 squad list (VS, Garrus and Tali could potentially be dead, which is the only reason they are at the bottom of the list.)

Thane Specific content added to make him playable.
One issue we have with Thane, is his current condition (healthwise).  The following would be implemented to allow for Thane to be a party member during this DLC.  The Player could choose NOT to do the following, and work from the remaining ME2/ME3 squad list.  If the following content is activated by the Player, this DOES NOT GUARANTEE THANE LIVES for the rest of the game.  Just bolsters him enough to make him available for said DLC. (No worries, Thane lovers and friends of Thane.....the DLC content will allow the Possibility for Thane to survive to the end of the game.)

A small amount of content would be added to the base game.  This content would be available to activate AFTER your initial interaction with Thane in Huerta Hospital.  The diagram below illustrates this:

(Diagram was initially made by me for a way to keep Thane alive until the end of the game.  Ignore the heading, please.)


As you can see this would be a short conversation with Thane about his doctor/a doctor having a new treatment to try (since we already have information on the Eupolmus Device, that might be the best way to go, but it could be something new/different.)  The dialogue option even gives people who "accidently" triggered it when they don't wish to change his availability (and perhaps his fate later on), to 'leave him be', so to speak.  If you choose to have him take the treatment, he is now available (until before the Citadel Coup), to join you in the following DLC. 

Story Setup

Locations Visited:  Omega (if Omega is done in another DLC, then any location that would work for Cerberus Ops)
                                 Noveria
                                 Kajhee

**NOTE**  There has been a rumor about Omega DLC since the game was released.  I still like the idea of it being used since it was a ME2 specific location.  I am writing all of this on premise that something isn't, hasn't been
written by BW.  Obviously, if it does get written, a new Location (moon, base, planet) with a strong Cerberus presence would be used.  I kind of like the idea of a Batarian colony (the Batarians have been involved in a number of useable story lines, and could make for interesting involvement) in the event that Omega is not available for this type of storyline.

*Each location would have certain character highlights, if those characters/teammates are alive and being used on these missions.  If those characters are unavailable, that character specific dialogue will not trigger HOWEVER all playable content is still available.  I will now highlight the different characters on the different locales that will have specific character content available.*

Omega (or it's equivalent replacement)

1) Cerberus Takedown: Miranda Lawson and Jacob Taylor
    a) Both characters being ex-Cerberus, would have extra dialogue and/or action sequences

2) Mercenary Involvement: Zaeed Massani
    a) Gaining control of Blue Suns; Zaeed specific dialogue.

3) Secondary mission: Visit Maelon/Daniel/Mordin's old clinic: Mordin Solnus and Thane Krios
    a) Mordin gets to check up on his old clinic, and meets a new assistant.  A Drell who has intel that sends the team to
        Noveria.  Mordin unique dialogue.
    Thane short banter with Drell assistant.

Noveria

1) Work with Lorik Qui'n and Gianna Parasini: Kasumi Goto, Jack (subject zero), and Grunt
    a) The scenerio would center around the intel extracted from the Drell assistant.  This could involve another 
         thwarting of TIM and cerberus.  
    Kasumi could have been involved in a heist for something related to this subject matter (considering the companies
        that work on Noveria, this is ripe for espionage, insider info, and sabotage, so I would say a lot of possibilities could
        come in to play.) Unique dialogue for Kasumi.
    c) Jack could find information regarding her time on Praggia (perhaps something hinted at during her LM in ME2)
        Unique dialogue for Jack.  (To make this content relevant even if Jack isn't available for the DLC, the information
        should relate back to the main mission.....obviously.)
    d) Trading O'keer data for something vital.  Grunt unique dialogue.
**NOTE**
Noveria being the planet with so many different scientific/technological companies on it, makes it a great background for information, potential assets, and actual equipment to be had.  It is also a good jumping point for next story location; Kajhee.

Kajhee

1) Work with Hanar and Asari scientist: Thane Krios and Samara (Justicar)
    a) Actual research from Noveria leads to extended/elaborated research being DENIED the Drell people (a cure or life
        extention for all Drells suffering from Kepral's Syndrome). Unique dialogue for Thane.  
    Asari scientist is believed to be a traitor, but the Players investigation leads to another.  Samara has 
        unique dialogue and action scene.
    c) Cure/life extention can be initiated.  **If your relationship with Thane is Loyal or Romanced, you will have an opportunity to have him STAY on Kajhee and get treated.**  However, he will argue with you because his son is not with him.  You must have either reconfirmed romance (see LI content list for further info) OR high enough Paragon/.Renagade/Reputation to have him take the treatment.  Further more, you can avoid the conversation by NOT clicking on him.  This will simply default to him and all other crew members getting back aboard the Normandy, and flying back to the Citadel.  If Thane returns to the Citadel with the team, his involvement in the Citadel remains exactly the same.  If he DOES stay on Kajhee, then the game will default to Kirahee (if alive) or the Councilor will die (play out exactly if you had a dead Thane from ME2, or you didn't speak to him at all.)  Maybe a short email can be received from Kolyat saying Thank You for his people, and that he is on his way to join his father.

Extra Romance Content for ME2 LI

**All romance content would come during the final trip from Noveria to Kajhee.  This would take place in Shepard's cabin.  Romance content for the ME3 squaddies could be added here as well, if they are the members with you, HOWEVER, since I have no doubt that the current ME3 squadmates will probably be used in other SP DLC, I am not going to add them to the list.  PLEASE understand this is NOT me shafting the ME3 LI's.  I am MORE than happy to have them in here with extra romance content, but since this is meant to highlight the ME2 exsquaddies and the non-squaddie Love Interests, I will only post my ideas on those.**

Thane Krios

1) Player would be able to reconfirm the romance.  By doing so, this would unlock the Paramour Achievement.
2) This would also trigger the availability to cure/extend Thane's life.
3) Dialogue, kiss, would take place in front of Shepard's bed, fade to black.

Jack (subject zero)

1) Unique dialogue, standing in front of Shepards bed, passionate kiss and fade to black.

Miranda

1) Sitting on couch, more relaxed, holding hands, unique dialogue, kiss with hug.

Jacob

1) Standing in front of fish tank. 
2) Player can finally give him a bit of their mind. (if they choose)
3) Jacob will show deeper regret. 
4) Player could have a Paragon Interrupt that takes him by the hand, and forgives (but doesn't forget) his choices.  If NOT taken, Shepard will turn away, and Jacob will leave.

Samara

1) Even though she didn't offer the Paramour Achievement for ME2 players, your Shepards were given "intimate" scenes, and it was hinted that she would/could be available as a LI in ME3.
2) To initiate this scene, you must "call" up Samara.
3) In the middle of the room, unique dialogue (including an opportunity for players who wanted a romance with her to speak of their feelings for her).
4) If you choose dialogue that indicates you have feelings for her, you will get an Interrupt that allows you to finally kiss her.  I don't have a problem for those not locked in another romance, to get the Paramour Achievement (if they haven't already.)

**Again, feel free to add for ME3 LIs.  I honestly believe that more romance content should be for all, but this DLC is meant to utilize the ME2 non-squaddies (and the LI's that apply).**

Banter

If you have a relationship with any of the teammembers the Player recruits for this DLC mission, occasional banter could be heard to reference your current romantic involvement (think of Legacy, and MotA for DA2.)

Alrighty then....have at it!!   
Okay, I have another addon to my Story DLC Outline. During the trip from Noveria to Kajhee (where the romance content can be initiated in Shepard's cabin), you set it up so that once the Normandy leaves for Kajhee the following will happen:

1) Scene starts with Shepard standing in front of their personal terminal in Shepard's cabin.

2) Any movement, or button clicking will open up a menu of names. All current squaddies available during this DLC. (yes, that INCLUDES non-romancable squadmate, like Zaeed, Mordin, Kasumi....)

3) Make your selection, and if it is your chosen LI, romance content to commence.

4) If it is a non-LI squaddie, you can have a short dialogue with them. Those that are looking for extra dialogue fun from these characters (i.e. Mordin, Zaeed, Grunt, ect....) can have a bit extra. This encourages replayability which helps sell this DLC.

5) For squaddies like Kasumi (who some wish they could have romanced) some flirty dialogue that SUGGESTS that there is SOME interest there. I know it may not be much for some, but it would allow you to headcannon (assuming you can keep your Shep alive at the end, and said NCP) a possible future with said NPC.....

This sort of device would allow also those that choose NOT to romance anyone, to still have a bit of fun, and again, would encourage replayability making this type of DLC more desirable to spend money on. Just a thought. Will add it to the existing outline.
*EDIT*

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[RShara]

I'm all for a romance DLC that fixes all the neglected LI's in ME3, and adds to the ones that are there

[giftfish]

Wow, coldwetn0se, you have spent some serious time on this. There are alot of great ideas here, many for Thane (you did say his was fleshed out the most, as he is your primary LI), but many for other LIs, as well.

I'll put a link on the initial post directly to your outline.

Thanks for sharing this with us <3

Modifié par giftfish, 30 juin 2012 - 11:24 .

[garrusfan1]

Ashley needs more dialouge (not auto dialouge the dialouge you choose

[mnomaha]

I just didn't think I could love you any more. I was very wrong.

This is really excellent. My FemShep could have Thane back and my ManShep could finally get his kiss from Samara.

This would also go a long way in repairing my feelings toward bioware.

[giftfish]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ashley needs more dialouge (not auto dialouge the dialouge you choose

Thanks for posting

This is included in the "general suggestions" category for more LI-unique dialogue; just an fyi for you.

Please feel free to post any other ideas you have.  Even if they are already up.

[utaker1988]

I think a lot of people need more dialogue you choose and not auto dialogue. Especially Shepard. I really wasn't at Huerta to see Kaidan. I really thought Joker's joke about Thessia was funny. I really didn't want my Shepard automatically flirting with James. "The bed is softer than it looks." No, Shep, no...do not say that. You know put that in with the way she looked at Thane like a dog in heat and it begins to look like my Shep just sees the galaxy as one giant bed. I have a Jerk Shep that does but that particular Shep did not. What about lesbian Shepard? Why would she be trying to get in James's pants? Just no.

[giftfish]

@ utaker1988: Totally agree with you. I still don't get why BW did this and made so muchmore auto-dialogue.

[RShara]

very nice coldi! You spend a lot of time thinking through that and it shows. 100% support!

Modifié par RShara, 30 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[giftfish]

RShara wrote...

very nice giftfish! You spend a lot of time thinking through that and it shows. 100% support!

No, no!  That was coldwetn0se's outline!  They get all the credit

[RShara]

yes I realized that and fixed it a second later lol

Hey I just woke up

[giftfish]

RShara wrote...

yes I realized that and fixed it a second later lol

Hey I just woke up

Hee hee.  No problem.

[Caenis]

Yeah I'd pay for more romance DLC with Liara XD I felt like ME3 romances weren't treated right, I romanced Liara in ME1 and ME2 and she never acknowledged it until way later on the Citadel where she was like "Just Friends" and I'm like wtf...after all we've been through we're more than friends haha, could not believe that conversation we even snuggled way before that and she was still like 'just friends...' and I'm like mmm hmmm, right. But sure totally would pay though I definitely won't start a petition for romances. If they add it they add it, if they don't oh well. I'll just write my own XD.

[coldwetn0se]

Thanks guys!!! <squish>

Please dont' hesitate to post if you have actual story/dialogue suggestions. I am more than happy to add it to the outline. I have it saved as a file, so it can easily be expanded on. I purposefully left somethings pretty vague, either because I was unsure about content, or unfamiliar with the characters extensive background. Go team! (ok, I am a bit goofy right now.....need food....and probably booze. *wink*)

[Cyrax86]

More Tali, preferably FemShep Tali.

-Tali is the only reason i use MShep,
-Tali is the last person you can recruit and she has the least LI dialogs and cutscenes.
- No date on the citadel for Tali.

Why was Fem Shep treated so poorly with LI's, quantity and quality.

[Kulthar Drax]

Would love a DLC that deals with this stuff. Agree with most of the suggestions in this topic and voted in all the polls.

[earendil87]

@coldwetn0se Your ideas are awesome! Man, if they did all that I would pay whatever they asked me for it.
I just have a small suggestion: when you say kiss and fade to black (like in Thane or Jack) I suppose you're talking about the 'official' romance scene... I would spice it up a little mostly because that is what happened in ME2 (at least with Thane) and because almost all the 'good' ME3 romances got a very hot romance scene. Plus it would be wonderful that if Thane got better because of the lung transplant we could have the chance to see his big horrible scar in his chest, don't you think?

Modifié par earendil87, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:17 .