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[2/21 -- NEWS] ME3 Romance-Related DLC: Petition for Improvements, Side Missions, & More Content


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Renmiri1 wrote...

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Also, Ren, my guess is that this is the Leviathan DLC he's referring to? It already has a major storyline, so many of our suggestions would work in it. We might have to wait for the next one.


Don't see why not. If they add LI interaction, does it matter if it is not on the Hanar homeworld ? If they add a visit / fetch quest on Tessia, whon't it make it fun for the Tessia / Liara crowd ? We all want to shoot some bad guys and have some action. We just want romance / friendship dialog added.


I'm just operating on the assumption it would be like, LotSB, for example, which only adds the questline with Liara.  It sounds like a discrete storyline, but I don't know much about it.  Don't get me wrrong, I would love to see some improved LI treatment, but I don't think it willbe the DLC we are looking for.  Just my opinion, though.  I'm pretty sure there will be more than one DLC for ME3, so it's not like this is our only shot.

Also, I'd rather not have then rush to include some of our suggestions, only to treat the LIs poorly again.  We're asking for quite a bit more than dialogue and conversations (side missions, squadmate status, alterations of storylines, etc.  It's quite alot of content when totaled across all 15 LIs.

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double post, grrr.

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Realistically though if Leviathan sells poorly we don't get what we asked. And if it sells well without having what we asked, what is the incentive for them to add our DLC ?

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@CastonFolarus -- Really nice dialogue you came up with there.  You have a very good feel for Jacob's writing.  Thanks for sharing :)  As a Thane fan, I can feel for the Jacob fans out there.


Thank you, it took me a little bit, but I hoped to have his and Shepard's voices come through in the dialogue. Part of what bothers me, as far as Jacob's *puts on turian councilor costume* 'romance', is that it would have been so EASY to make it work in ME3. The dialogue and meetup I typed could have been done so easily, and far better, by a Bioware writer. I've been a fan of their work for a while, and they know how to do it. But for some reason, they decided to make Jacob Taylor's romance end in the worst possible way, with as little explaination or exposition, as well as a lack of regard for him as a character, or any respect whatsoever to his fanbase, small though it may be.

I feel that Bioware made a genuine mistake with Thane's romance. In my opinion, making his death preventable would in no way make his death, should it occur, less meaningful. No more than the chance to prevent Miranda's anyway. Also, as one of the letters one of you Thanemancers sent to Bioware said, the heroic Warden in DA: Origins who lives to see the Fifth Blight end in no way infringes on the tragic heroism of a Warden who sacrifices his/herself to defeat the Archdemon. They are simply different ways of playing out the same story, depending on your choices, which is one of Mass Effect's driving themes as a franchise. They made that judgement call trying to make Mass Effect 3 a better game. I think it was incorrect, but I at least respect their decision and where it was coming from.

But as far as Jacob's 'romance' is concerned? I can't come up with any fathomable reason why any fanbase deserved such unnesesary treatment. Nothing in ME2 even hinted at this kind of outcome for Jacob's romance, and it would have been such an easy thing to prevent. And my mind still boggles with what Bioware was trying to accomplish with their treatment of his romance. Royally ****** off a fanbase in a BAD way? Congrats, mission accomplished. Thane's romance, for all it's flaws in ME3, is still worth playing through, for me. But Jacob's feels better if you kill him off during the suicide mission. And how is THAT supposed to make Mass Effect 3 a better game?

Between Bioware's treatment of the Jacob and Thane romances, along with providing a frustrating tease of a squadmate in James Vega, I can't help but take all of Bioware's words about catering to their female fanbase with a grain of salt. I mean, you even went out and said that Vega was made to appeal to your female fanbase. Why even bother to do that if you just going to make him a tease? Sure, you provided a FemShep coverart, and even had a fan contest to determine that. All well and good, I guess. But you also screw up two FemShep romances and tease another?

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@CastonFolarus - I think Jacob's romance suffered from the same problem Thane's romance suffered. They forgot the two were LI and went their merry way writing a way to take them out of the story. When they remembered, Jacob had already been written as getting a kid and Thane already been written as dead by #worstninjaever so they tried to shoehorn a romance dialog into the story arch. If Jacob is just a friend, having a kid is a cute event. If Thane is just a friend, Thane's death is dramatic but will not anger the player. Is the romanced Thane and Jacob that were made absurd in ME3.

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Just please, give me Vega....

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Morning romance-fans :]

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Hey, do you know something about the results of the survey? anything interesting?

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Nope, nothing yet. I don't think will begin to process the stats on it until it's over on Saturday. They did say previously that results were overwhelmingly positive, so hopefully that still applies!

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Must stay on first page consciousness!!!

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Great! Can't wait to see them ^^

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I support all of the above. I am still confused as to why Kaidan was turned into a romance for the maleShep & femShep. After seeing the scenes on the Normandy & the goodbye before the final push, I was disappointed and rather dismayed. After romancing Kaidan & staying faithful through all 3 games, my scenes were the same as the maleShep. It didn't feel as special. I guess I am so used to getting somewhat of an equal treatment from Bioware in that the female character gets seperate romances that equal the amount as the male characters, it was a little schocking. Would like to see something that would be special for femShep for romancing & staying loyal through all 3 games. I know asking a lot......

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Bump. Slow day today!

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wicnwitch wrote...

I support all of the above. I am still confused as to why Kaidan was turned into a romance for the maleShep & femShep. After seeing the scenes on the Normandy & the goodbye before the final push, I was disappointed and rather dismayed. After romancing Kaidan & staying faithful through all 3 games, my scenes were the same as the maleShep. It didn't feel as special. I guess I am so used to getting somewhat of an equal treatment from Bioware in that the female character gets seperate romances that equal the amount as the male characters, it was a little schocking. Would like to see something that would be special for femShep for romancing & staying loyal through all 3 games. I know asking a lot......


Firstly, femshep gets an extra bit at the end of the kaidan bed scene before cronos.

Secondly, he was made bi because otherwise there would be:
 
one gay option: Steve

5 Lesbian options: Liara, Kelly, (Samara/morinth), Diana Allers, Samantha

Which would be a little unfair.

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I support this!

Give me some blue loving, and Tali unmasked!

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Seifer006 wrote...

Miranda - Yes
Jack - Yes
Liara - f**** NO
Zaeed - not romance but Squad
Wrex - not romance but Squad
Ashley - Yes ( though ME3 ruined her IMO )


Hey man, I agreed on all the romances need some fixing, but in my opinion, I want an actual date with Liara like in LOTSB for a dinner or something maybe her apartment in Illuim if possible. (Not the citadel, its just "Hey, How u're doing, Let Just be Friends, or I love u, Bye", WTH?   Image IPB)

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Do we have any new info on numbers? How many ppl took the poll?

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Flog61 wrote...

wicnwitch wrote...

I support all of the above. I am still confused as to why Kaidan was turned into a romance for the maleShep & femShep. After seeing the scenes on the Normandy & the goodbye before the final push, I was disappointed and rather dismayed. After romancing Kaidan & staying faithful through all 3 games, my scenes were the same as the maleShep. It didn't feel as special. I guess I am so used to getting somewhat of an equal treatment from Bioware in that the female character gets seperate romances that equal the amount as the male characters, it was a little schocking. Would like to see something that would be special for femShep for romancing & staying loyal through all 3 games. I know asking a lot......


Firstly, femshep gets an extra bit at the end of the kaidan bed scene before cronos.

Secondly, he was made bi because otherwise there would be:
 
one gay option: Steve

5 Lesbian options: Liara, Kelly, (Samara/morinth), Diana Allers, Samantha

Which would be a little unfair.


What's that you say? Fair? Image IPB

Image IPB

Just one of many reasons that people would like the Thane and Jacob romances reworked/DLC'd. 

First posted over in the Thane thread by firel: all credit goes there.

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iSousek wrote...

Do we have any new info on numbers? How many ppl took the poll?


Checking with the HTL folks for an update.  Will make a post as soon as I get them :)

Tomorrow will be another big push, as the day before the polls close.  I'll be posting reminders all over BSN, and HTL folks will be all over the various social media sites.

@SteelDancer -- Oh how I LOVE that, lol.

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What's that you say? Fair? Image IPB

Image IPB

Just one of many reasons that people would like the Thane and Jacob romances reworked/DLC'd. 

First posted over in the Thane thread by firel: all credit goes there.


This picture......is SO how I feel. Femshep is one of the most awsome characters in any form of media. Not that I dont like ManShep too, but between Hale's voice acting, and the badass female aspect to her, I can draw few comparisons to her. So she gets two of her LIs taken away, and ManShep does not? I mean if you're going to just gut the Thane/Jacob romances, why not gut the Miranda/Jack ones to match? Afterall, your goal is to provoke an emotional reaction from your audiance, right? That would ****** them off right and good, eh? And hey, why not simply make Liara a teasing non-romance for ManShep, to match the crime that is Jimmy Vega?

Makes me question everything Bioware says about catering to their female fanbase and giving FemShep equal treatment.

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Steel Dancer wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

wicnwitch wrote...

I support all of the above. I am still confused as to why Kaidan was turned into a romance for the maleShep & femShep. After seeing the scenes on the Normandy & the goodbye before the final push, I was disappointed and rather dismayed. After romancing Kaidan & staying faithful through all 3 games, my scenes were the same as the maleShep. It didn't feel as special. I guess I am so used to getting somewhat of an equal treatment from Bioware in that the female character gets seperate romances that equal the amount as the male characters, it was a little schocking. Would like to see something that would be special for femShep for romancing & staying loyal through all 3 games. I know asking a lot......


Firstly, femshep gets an extra bit at the end of the kaidan bed scene before cronos.

Secondly, he was made bi because otherwise there would be:
 
one gay option: Steve

5 Lesbian options: Liara, Kelly, (Samara/morinth), Diana Allers, Samantha

Which would be a little unfair.


What's that you say? Fair? Image IPB

Image IPB

Just one of many reasons that people would like the Thane and Jacob romances reworked/DLC'd. 

First posted over in the Thane thread by firel: all credit goes there.



I meant unfair to the gay male population. They get half as many romances as lesbian shep.

Straight femshep is ridiculously unfair, but i was merely discussing same sex.

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giftfish wrote...

Nope, nothing yet. I don't think will begin to process the stats on it until it's over on Saturday. They did say previously that results were overwhelmingly positive, so hopefully that still applies!

I am lost what are you talking about 

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garrusfan1 wrote...

giftfish wrote...

Nope, nothing yet. I don't think will begin to process the stats on it until it's over on Saturday. They did say previously that results were overwhelmingly positive, so hopefully that still applies!

I am lost what are you talking about 


Hi garrusfan1 :)

The answers in the survey will be analyzed statisically and then summarized into a document and sent to Bioware. 

My response here was to a poster who asked if I knew any specifics about the results of the survey.  I didn't (and still don't) know any specifics, short of when I had chatted last week with the person managing the survey, who said that so far there was overwhelming support for the Romance DLC.

That make more sense?

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Thanks gitfish I am sorry I didn't know what you meant so bioware or one of their employees said it had overwhelming support?

PS if this gets us a romance dlc you are a BSN hero

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garrusfan1 wrote...

Thanks gitfish I am sorry I didn't know what you meant so bioware or one of their employees said it had overwhelming support?

PS if this gets us a romance dlc you are a BSN hero


No, not Bioware.   I have had no communication with Bioware whatsoever, I want to be very clear about that, lol.

Bioware doesn't even have the results yet.  The folks that we are working with over at HTL (see my sig) are the ones managing the survey.  The person who created the survey, and is monitoring it, is the one who told me last week that the results were looking very positive.