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[giftfish]

Lovely screenies of BroShep and Miranda over on the blog this morning!

[giftfish]

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[coldwetn0se]

Due to an error on our part (and thanks to @Saito for pointing it out), we are running a special Character Spotlight of
 
the week, instead of the Focus Friday.  Today's CS features our favorite gunnery chief, Ashley Williams.  Thanks to
 
@Scotiej the submission! The FF will return per usual, next week.  Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Happy Gaming!

[giftfish]

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Oh, and GO PACKERS!

[coldwetn0se]

Morning forumites!  We have a new Monday Musing on the Cosmic Love blog.  Come on by for a read, and remember that comments are always welcome.  Have a great Monday, gamers!

[giftfish]

Morning, everyone!

We have a really great Character Spotlight on the blog today from one of BSN's own -- Karrie788. She wrote about our favorite turian, Garrus

[AlstairME]

Sorry I haven't been around lately, giftfish: thanks! I'm kinda pumped to hear what their new DLC will be about. Maybe it's ours!

[giftfish]

Hey Alstair! Good to see you around again.

Got some great Garrus screenies up on the blog today!

[Arxduke]

Kaidan Alenko
-Same Sex relationship -- include dialogue that makes it more apparent that MaleShep has been interested in Kaidan since ME1; something that bridges the storyline from ME1/2 to ME3 for MaleSheps that import a game into ME3

I will love you forever for this.

[L2 Sentinel]

Arxduke wrote...

Kaidan Alenko
-Same Sex relationship -- include dialogue that makes it more apparent that MaleShep has been interested in Kaidan since ME1; something that bridges the storyline from ME1/2 to ME3 for MaleSheps that import a game into ME3

I will love you forever for this.

Yes, please. One thing that kind of threw me was when Kaidan confesses his feelings for Shepard for the first time. Shepard behaves like the idea had never crossed his mind, like he was thinking about it for the first time ever. It was like he was checking Kaidan's math and saying "Yeah, I got the same answer as you."

Modifié par Rauhel, 07 décembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[giftfish]

Rauhel wrote...

Arxduke wrote...

Kaidan Alenko
-Same Sex relationship -- include dialogue that makes it more apparent that MaleShep has been interested in Kaidan since ME1; something that bridges the storyline from ME1/2 to ME3 for MaleSheps that import a game into ME3

I will love you forever for this.

Yes, please. One thing that kind of threw me was when Kaidan confesses his feelings for Shepard for the first time. Shepard behaves like the idea had never crossed his mind, like he was thinking about it for the first time ever. It was like he was checking Kaidan's math and saying "Yeah, I got the same answer as you."

Yeah, this really is understandable. 

I get that some fans won't like the fact that Kaidan is all of a sudden bisexual in the 3rd game -- I'm not sure how I feel about it myself, though I  think it's great that male Sheps has 2 same-sex romance options.  However, if BW was going to take this route, they really needed to take some care and provide enough dialogue and interactions between Kaidan and Shepard to add plausibility to the relationship.

At any rate, let's keep our fingers crossed.

Modifié par giftfish, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[Warior135]

giftfish wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

Arxduke wrote...

Kaidan Alenko
-Same Sex relationship -- include dialogue that makes it more apparent that MaleShep has been interested in Kaidan since ME1; something that bridges the storyline from ME1/2 to ME3 for MaleSheps that import a game into ME3

I will love you forever for this.

Yes, please. One thing that kind of threw me was when Kaidan confesses his feelings for Shepard for the first time. Shepard behaves like the idea had never crossed his mind, like he was thinking about it for the first time ever. It was like he was checking Kaidan's math and saying "Yeah, I got the same answer as you."

Yeah, this really is understandable. 

I get that some fans won't like the fact that Kaidan is all of a sudden bisexual in the 3rd game -- I'm sure how I feel about it myself, though I  think it's great that male Sheps has 2 sma-sex romance options.  However, if BW was going to take this route , they really needed to take some care and provide enough dialogue and interactions between Kaidan and Shepard to add plausibility to the relationship.

At any rate, let's keep our fingers crossed.

BUT, Did you know there was actually scripting for Bi-Kaidan in ME1 AND ME2 but wasnt used?

Whabam.

[giftfish]

Warior135 wrote...

BUT, Did you know there was actually scripting for Bi-Kaidan in ME1 AND ME2 but wasnt used?

Whabam.

Yep, well aware.  It was included for bi-Ashley, as well.

The point is that for whatever reason, BW didn't go that route.  Game scripts are like movie scripts, play scripts, or book manuscripts.  They go through iterations.  Just because it was included in the script somewhere along the way doesn't mean that it "was going" to be in the final product  The writers might just have been running with an idea to see how it could pan out.

Fans tend to latch onto stuff in game scripts saying that the presence of the cut contents are "proof" that they "were supposed" to be included in the final release.  Especially if it's something that they would really have liked to see in the game. The reality is that we really don't know if these contents were or going to be included or not.  All we know is that the content appeared in the script at a certain point.

That being said, the point of my post wasn't to advocate or not advocate for Kaidan as a bisexual in ME3.  It was to support the fact that in ME3 more care should have been taken with his character when it came to same-sex interactions and dialogue.  There should have been more discussion between Kaidan and BroShep about his sexuality, why the relationship took so long to come together, etc.

Modifié par giftfish, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Warior135]

giftfish wrote...

Warior135 wrote...

BUT, Did you know there was actually scripting for Bi-Kaidan in ME1 AND ME2 but wasnt used?

Whabam.

Yep, well aware.  It was included for bi-Ashley, as well.

The point is that for whatever reason, BW didn't go that route.  Game scripts are like movie scripts, play scripts, or book manuscripts.  They go through iterations.  Just because it was included in the script somewhere along the way doesn't mean that it was going to be in the final product  The writers might just have been running with an idea to see how it could pan out.

Fans tend to latch onto stuff in game scripts saying that the cut contents "were supposed" to be included in the final release.  We really don't know IF these contents were or going to be included or not.  All we know is that the content appeared in the script at a certain point.

That being said, the point of my post wasn't to advocate or not advocate for Kaidan as a bisexual in ME3.  It was to support the fact that in ME3 more care should have been taken with his character when it came to same-sex interactions and dialogue.  There should have been more discussion between Kaidan and BroShep about his sexuality, why the relationship took so long to come together, etc.

But then again, it isnt just something that got half-made, They thought about it then scrapped the idea but left the code in- No.

Its a full-on still working script that is perfectly plausable.

[giftfish]

Warior135 wrote...

But then again, it isnt just something that got half-made, They thought about it then scrapped the idea but left the code in- No.

Its a full-on still working script that is perfectly plausable.

To me, this means they just wanted to keep their options open as long as possible.

I'm not saying that Kaidan as bisexual was implausible.  I'msaying that BW should have done a better job in ME3, showing the transition from "presumptuously straight Kaidan" in ME1 to bisexual Kaidan in ME3.

Modifié par giftfish, 07 décembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Warior135]

giftfish wrote...

Warior135 wrote...

But then again, it isnt just something that got half-made, They thought about it then scrapped the idea but left the code in- No.

Its a full-on still working script that is perfectly plausable.

To me, this means they just wanted to keep their options open as long as possible.

I'm not saying that Kaidan as bisexual was implausible.  I'msaying that BW should have done a better job in ME3, showing the transition from "presumptulously straight Kaidan" in ME1 to bisexual Kaidan in ME3.

I know, That is what brings up the question, If they did it in ME3 with no regrets, Why didnt they do it in the 1st-place?

[giftfish]

***Important***

We have an important column up on the blog for Focus Friday, today. Don't forget to check it out!

[giftfish]

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[Little Princess Peach]

Gifty-chan I'm loving the site,

As for romance aspect of dlcs I would like it if Kaidan mentioned somthing about Aria's kiss on the omega dlc, I have a feeling Liara was watching what was going on , during our stay there anyway, giving Kaidan all the juicey info...

[giftfish]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...
I have a feeling Liara was watching what was going on, during our stay there anyway, giving Kaidan all the juicey info...

Lol.

[L2 Sentinel]

giftfish wrote...

Warior135 wrote...

But then again, it isnt just something that got half-made, They thought about it then scrapped the idea but left the code in- No.

Its a full-on still working script that is perfectly plausable.

To me, this means they just wanted to keep their options open as long as possible.

I'm not saying that Kaidan as bisexual was implausible.  I'msaying that BW should have done a better job in ME3, showing the transition from "presumptuously straight Kaidan" in ME1 to bisexual Kaidan in ME3.

In my opinion, Kaidan wasn't the one acting strange, it was Shepard. He does a good job of explaining why he is taking this moment to confess his feelings.

“We’ve been friends a long time Shepard. Have you ever known me to be with anyone? I guess I’m just choosy, or  patient, or..*sighs*..I don’t know. Maybe what I’ve never found, what I want is something deeper with someone I already…care about."

Kaidan has had no prior relationships. His sexuality has never been defined as strictly heterosexual. In Mass Effect 3, he doesn't suddenly realize he likes men, he simply reveals that he has always liked men. There is no reason to assume what is sexuality is one way or the other. I don't fully grasp what the controversy here is.

If you're pursuing a relationship with Kaidan, that's really all the explanation you need. If you aren't, I understand this scene can be a bit uncomfortable (especially since the only thing that triggers it is buying him whiskey). What they should do is make it so Kaidan only flirts with Shepard if Shepard knowingly flirted with him first. And when the cafe scene comes up, they should polish Shepard's response. If Shepard has been pursuing Kaidan, he should behave like he is hearing what he wanted to hear, not like Kaidan's logic is sound.

Modifié par Rauhel, 07 décembre 2012 - 11:09 .

[Joy Sauce]

LOL @ GFG

What a sad, sad weirdo.

[giftfish]

Joy Sauce wrote...

LOL @ GFG

What a sad, sad weirdo.

You said it!

[giftfish]

And, we have 2 survey redux posts up already.

Oh, and we now have over 40,000 hits!

[Zwall]

Wow, the GFG issue sort of grinds me. I'm glad that the results are more accurate and gender-neutral now, and am kinda surprised to see the majority was actually male players. Surprised, but also happy. Plus, more people want a paramour pack. Awesome!

Can't wait to see the other reduxed results.