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[Vlk3]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sentient6 wrote...

But in ME3... I dunno. Can't really explain it. I just want my FemShep to tell him to man up a bit.

It's fine, everyone has their own opinion about each character. No problem if you express your opinion respectuflly Like I said, you can go for Garrus, or maybe even Thane, or Liara/Samantha or maybe Kelly.

Rauhel wrote...

 At the very least, if Thane cannot be saved, I think Shepard should be able to reflect on her relationship with him more. I think these tweets are a good sign that there will be something meaningful for Thanemancers.

It's what I expect to happen. Maybe some reflection scenes with Kolyat, maybe Shep will have an option to visit That's grave (if it's on Citadel obvious), some reflection of past romance scenes, some conversation about Thane with Wrex/Liara etc.

Honestly, I will never accept Thane's death in this game and after what happened to him in ME3 (completely forgotten,  doesn't count as a romance and so) the only right thing to do right now is adding a possibility for him to survive. I and other Thanemancers had a year of mourning his death. Do I really need more of it in game? I hope BioWare understood the problems and will add multiple outcomes, including both death and survival. If they decided to make a fan-service DLC (good decision and I'm impressed with that) they shouldn't exclude Thanemancers. That would be really low. Being so stubborn about his death seems childish to me. A chance for Thane doesn't mean changing the game, we're not asking for changing the endings or the whole plot.DLC seems like something lighthearted - I can't imagine that we would get just a sad version of this DLC.

Unfortunately, these tweets from Jessica are rather discouraging. I mean, it sounds like he will die anyway and the complicated part is some flashbacks or condolences from the crew. It's too little too late for that. Seriously, such things should be there from beginning.

Anyway, I'm happy for those of you who at last will get some time with their LI's. I only hope I will not be the part of fanbase that doesn't count anymore.

Thanks giftfish and coldi for your efforts for a Romance DLC. This would be really strange if BioWare had decided to listen to you about other romances but leave Thane fanbase shafted. But, who knows with them.

[giftfish]

@Rauhel --

Vlk3's response is pretty accurate from all the comments I read regarding Thane on the survey. Many Thane fans, including those who didn't romance him, would certainly LIKE to chat more with Kolyat. But, if Thane still dies, the point is moot. Most Thane romancers and loyalists supporting him want a choice. He doesn't need a cure, but there does need to be a choice -- the possibility for him to finish out the game alive in their playthroughs. Anything else will still result in major disappointment for these folks, myself included.

@Isaac --

Nice to see you :] Remember, also, that FemShep can only romance Garrus in ME3 if carried over from ME2. Thane doesn't count as a romance in ME3, and is only present in ME3 if importing from ME2. And, of course, Kaidan might actually be dead in ME3 upon import, or chosen as a "Combat Loss" at the beginning of the game. In that case, FemShep players (who are often female), don't have any straight love interest options. This is probably what Sentinent6 is referring to.

Modifié par giftfish, 23 février 2013 - 09:12 .

[L2 Sentinel]

Don't get me wrong. I hope Thanemancers get exactly what they want. Merizan being so tight lipped about Thane spoilers suggests to me that there is something there to spoil. I don't know if it will be everything you guys are hoping for, but it's something. That's all I'm saying.

[giftfish]

It's all good.

Just a waiting game at this point. Folks just need to be patient and save themselves the stress of constant speculation.

[Saito404]

I'm sure Thane will have no new stuff in Citadel DLC. Ashley too. (As always )
Don't be so optimistic. Remember Omega.

[Mcfly616]

Thane will probably most likely be "remembered" in the Citadel DLC.


But to those complaining about him passing away....like, what?? You knew from the moment you met him that his days were numbered. You really have nobody to blame but yourself if you weren't prepared for the day to come when he would be gone.


Hell, if I ever gave a damn about Thane (which I don't) I'd be happy with the fact that he went out fighting like a boss, rather than slowly succumbing to his disease.



I feel for the Talimancers though. If I romanced her I'd be just as pissed about that stock photo. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to see her face at all if I had to choose between the 2. If you like Tali at this point it isn't because of her face. You like her for the person she is. So fine, if they didn't want to render her face "in-game", then don't show it at all. Surely don't give us some lazy ass Google image. Mysterious has its upsides. Certainly more than what Talimancers got.

[giftfish]

Morning folks --

Monday Musing should be IS up on the blog sometime this morning!

Also, be sure the check out the post thrown upthere yesterday regarding scheduling and the wrapup of blog content.

Modifié par giftfish, 25 février 2013 - 12:26 .

[xoxin]

Mademon wrote...

I hope someone comes to visit Shepard and let her cry about Thane some in her apartment...

I was on the second page of the Announcing the final ME3 Single Player DLC thread in this forum asking after Thane, and it wasn't until moments ago I saw Chris' comment about it occurring after the Coup.

Anyone want to speculate as to whether they might have added romance flags? I'm sure if they had that they would have mentioned but ... Samara or Vega could've been nice.

Unlike the others, I don't think I ever actually posted in this thread, but I did lurk around when it was active, and I too would like to thank you for any influence your determination invoked.

God I hope so. If there are no Samara romance flags I will be disappointed. She's probably my favorite character(Garrus and Legion are up there as well...not sure which one I love more) and romance(in my head canon at least. *sigh*. Give us something with Citadel, Bioware!)

Modifié par xoxin, 25 février 2013 - 01:04 .

[coldwetn0se]

Last Monday Musing is up on the Cosmic Love blog.  Happy gaming to all, and thanks for all the involvement and support.  Enjoy!

[giftfish]

Afternoon folks!

The final two Character Spotlights that will be featured on the Cosmic Love blog are up!

The first features KAIDAN, written by a ME fan over on tumblr.

The second features THANE, and is written by myself! My one and only CS for the blog :]

Follow the link in my sig and enjoy.

Modifié par giftfish, 26 février 2013 - 07:47 .

[Missy_MI]

The Thane character spotlight was a nice read, thanks for that.

Count me in as another fan hoping we get some (happy-ish) Thane content in the DLC. Fingers crossed.

[d1ta]

Here's to hoping that all characters get their 'happy moments with Shepard' in this dlc, weather it's romance or bromance with some contents reflecting what has been requested in this thread (would like to say 'all' but that feels stretching a bit too much =P I don't have that much of an optimism on that matter..)
.. Although tbh I do need to rein in my excitement bubble just to be wise.

[d1ta]

@xoxin: ^O^ wow, another Samara fan X) that's kinda rare. It was a shame the Character and Romance forum got locked down, since it was so much easier when the forum was still up to hang out and chat with fellow fans of certain characters. Samara is deffinitely my favourite (although not LI), we had this great friendship talk on board after blewing up the CB. Then come ME3, I was like... 'Samara why are you so cold??'

[radishson]

Mcfly616 wrote...

But to those complaining about him passing away....like, what?? You knew from the moment you met him that his days were numbered. You really have nobody to blame but yourself if you weren't prepared for the day to come when he would be gone.


Hell, if I ever gave a damn about Thane (which I don't) I'd be happy with the fact that he went out fighting like a boss, rather than slowly succumbing to his disease.



I feel for the Talimancers though. If I romanced her I'd be just as pissed about that stock photo.

So talimancers have a right to be upset that a 2 second scene (after three games full of Tali content) used a cheap-looking photo, but Thanemancers are foolish for expecting their choice of LI to be even remotely respected/adknowledged in ME3? There is no way you have read anything Thane fans have ever said regarding his ME3 treatment. You can spew baseless criticism, or you can try to understand what Thanemancers have actually written on the matter. Your choice.

Giftfish - that Thane piece was very nicely done. Thoughtful & covered all the bases. as for the DLC, Merizan's tweets concern me more than they excite me. Unfortunately, the necessity of ME3 romance/character arc repairs have nothing to do with Bioware's decision to actually implement sufficient changes. I sense impending disappointment come next week if we're being realistic. I highly, highly doubt any new LIs will be available (Samara, James). There's only so much a DLC can remedy.

[AshenShug4r]

Why do people so desperately seek romance in video games like these? I don't understand it.

[Legion of 1337]

Holy **** I thought this thread died a while ago.

Nevertheless, I still take this thread as proof that Bioware's writers are ****ing geniuses. At least, in terms of character drama (not so much in terms of epic space adventures).

[Shaleist]

AshenShug4r wrote...

Why do people so desperately seek romance in video games like these? I don't understand it.

Why do people so desperately seek romance in movies like these? I don't understand it.
Why do people so desperately seek romance in books like these? I don't understand it.
Why do people so desperately seek romance in TV series like these? I don't understand it.


Does it sound ridiculous when I put it that way or do you just dismiss the fact romance is a sub-genre of storytelling through basically every medium we have?  + Bioware started it...if they are gonna do something they damn well better do it right.

[radishson]

AshenShug4r wrote...

Why do people so desperately seek romance in video games like these? I don't understand it.

Probably not the place for this type of discussion but I agree. I don't understand the fever surrounding new LI content when, for the most part, the romances suffice for the medium. Personally I've always enjoyed playing a single Shepard. The only people I've ever felt have legitimate criticism are Jacob and Thane romancers, because their romances were outright dropped in ME3.

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Legion of 1337 wrote...

I still take this thread as proof that Bioware's writers are ****ing geniuses. At least, in terms of character drama (not so much in terms of epic space adventures).

Producing unfulfilled character/romance arcs does not make Bioware a "****ing genius".  Learn the difference between coherent, emotional writing and outright thoughtlessness.

Modifié par radishson, 27 février 2013 - 08:42 .

[Venom man4]

I see all the romance as something that sets Mass Effect apart from other games. It helped the game have the popularity that it has if you ask me. Anyway if Bioware does decide to give us Talimancers a scene of her face I hope it is done good. After the photoshopped Google picture my thoughts are that they might as well give us a face scene, because there is no point in fighting for no face after that.

[giftfish]

@Legion of 1337 --

We've been here the whole time! All 8 months since we've started. The thread has seen activity daily (for the most part), and we've been very,very busy over on the blog (see my sig).


As far as the "importance" of the romances in Mass Effect or any other video game. I'll risk a response in the case that some of the folks asking are not trolls.


Shaleist and Venom man4 said it well.

Including romances (and by this I mean all the story-related interactions and dialogue between the characters, not just the end-game scene) in video games is really no different than including then in a book or a movie. They are another dimension to the story. They are a realistic component to add to the story -- indeed almost any story would seem a bit...empty...without some type of romantic relationship present. Think of probably every comic or book you've read, every movie you've watched.

Also, especially in a video game romance content encourages more emotional investment in the story, simply due to the interactive nature (rather than the passive nature of books and movies). Emotional investment is good -- it keeps players coming back to a game.

Most of all, romantic interactions between characters are exceedingly appropriate to include in a video game within the RPG genre. While the RPG elements of ME3 were quite....trimmed....the series is historically an action/RPG. Without romantic and non-romantic relationships between the characters, then Mass Effect is simply a 3rd person shooter. If that's how you want to play the game, that's fine, but at least in ME1 and ME2, that's not how the game was actually DESIGNED. It was designed as a character-centric, sci-fi, action, role-playing game.

In addition, as already pointed out, romantic relationships between characters are something that BioWare has chosen to include in their games, and they have for a very long time. If they are going to include them, then they need to do them justice -- they should do them well. Why do it otherwise?

All NPCs in the game who are romantic interests for the player character should have comparable content in amount and quality. If not, players will get understandably cranky when their "lesser" romance results in a "lesser" game experience. Comparable romance content was done very well in DAO, ME1, and ME2, for example (I haven't played DA2).

In ME3, things got all out of whack. Not only did the romance content for certain characters get axed, but entire characters themselves got axed. The entire squad of the previous game were reduced to cameo roles, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering ME2 was a more popular game than ME1.

While the romance portion of the game may not be important for everyone, it is important for many. If it's not for you, there's nothing wrong with that. However, there is no reason to judge/flame anyone for their opinions (I'm not saying anyone did). And, if you don't understand, then that's fine. The romance fans likely don't understand, why they aren't enjoyable to you!

Modifié par giftfish, 27 février 2013 - 12:40 .

[Legion of 1337]

radishson wrote...

AshenShug4r wrote...

Why do people so desperately seek romance in video games like these? I don't understand it.

Probably not the place for this type of discussion but I agree. I don't understand the fever surrounding new LI content when, for the most part, the romances suffice for the medium. Personally I've always enjoyed playing a single Shepard. The only people I've ever felt have legitimate criticism are Jacob and Thane romancers, because their romances were outright dropped in ME3.

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Legion of 1337 wrote...

I still take this thread as proof that Bioware's writers are ****ing geniuses. At least, in terms of character drama (not so much in terms of epic space adventures).

Producing unfulfilled character/romance arcs does not make Bioware a "****ing genius".  Learn the difference between coherent, emotional writing and outright thoughless.

I said as character writers - they know how to write amiable characters, so well in fact every single on seems to have a fan following.

I didn't say they were good at writing a story (ME1 must have been some kind of fluke). Just because, for example, Thane got shafted in ME3 doesn't mean he wasn't an example of great character writing in ME2 - they just didn't bother in ME3 because, uh.....hm...

[Vlk3]

@ Legion 1337

I wonder if you are aware, that Thane's writer left BioWare after ME2. So yeah, he was a great writer and it's his writing that made some of us so "crazy" about Thane.

Modifié par Vlk3, 27 février 2013 - 08:39 .

[xoxin]

d1ta wrote...

@xoxin: ^O^ wow, another Samara fan X) that's kinda rare. It was a shame the Character and Romance forum got locked down, since it was so much easier when the forum was still up to hang out and chat with fellow fans of certain characters. Samara is deffinitely my favourite (although not LI), we had this great friendship talk on board after blewing up the CB. Then come ME3, I was like... 'Samara why are you so cold??'

I know , right? Shame there's not more Samara fans. Even when you romance her the conversation on the citadel is basically the same. Bioware messed up with that -.-. She had less dialogue than Miranda I believe. Though I suppose the whole 2nd daughter dying thing might have dampened her mood. Still though.

Garrus, Legion, Samara. My 3 favorite characters.

Modifié par xoxin, 27 février 2013 - 08:53 .

[radishson]

I love Samara, but don't treat her like an LI. Whining about her romance's absense is entirely nonsensical; she was never meant to be legitimately romanceable. I can guarantee that no new LIs will be introduced in this DLC.

Modifié par radishson, 27 février 2013 - 09:34 .

[giftfish]

Afternoon, everyone.

Today on the blog, we have the FINAL Focus Friday. It's a summary of all survey results, so, if there is only 1 post you read on the blog, this one should be it!

Also, Kaidan screenies from yesterday's Screenshot Thursday,

and...

PART 2 of the collected revised survey results will be added to the blog's Survey page, later this afternoon. Will be wrapping it up after lunch.