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[Peregrin25]

Sousabird wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

I would choose refuse ending because, I reject the thought of losing my being that I currently am. Being imperfect and having free thought is part of what makes being human wonderful. Who's to say we would be like that had we all become cyborgs. There would be no more independent thought, free will, or anything that makes life worth living. Not to mention the ability to die makes life worth living.

I would fight and die before I gave in to something like Synthesis. I am a strong believer in Bushido and I will live by the sword and die by the sword or die of old age, the way of the warrior is a more honorable way to live. Knowing that I still fought until the end even though it was futile. I have more respect for people that make that kind of choice.

You also caused every other sentient being in your galaxy to be killed, that seems less honorable then swallowing your pride.

If Synthesis and Control were only options? I refuse to pick either of those options. I am sure everyone else in the civilized galaxy would feel the same way, well...Those that are military would, maybe not civilians, but me being actuall military, in a realistic scenario those are not choices to be made. You either fight to destroy or die trying, there is no other option.

There are methods in place for specific scenarios that are on a similar line that I could talk about to help civilians understand, but I am restricted from doing so. Operationl Security reasons, I am not allowed to discuss such matters.

If you fail to understand my obvious logic then it is beyond your comprehention. Afterall though, in the end situation will dictate what will happen and what ultimate choices are therein made.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .

[ShepnTali]

Refuse


I'm fine with it. It gives me absolute, definitive closure. More than any of the other options.

[MassEffect762]

Qeylis wrote...

Refuse. But I wouldn't stand there like dumb a**.

"All ships, this is Commander Shepard. Fire on my position, I repeat, fire on my position. It is Reaper Command and Control. It was a pleasure to serve, Shepard out."

This.

[wicked_being]

Qeylis wrote...

Refuse. But I wouldn't stand there like dumb a**.

"All ships, this is Commander Shepard. Fire on my position, I repeat, fire on my position. It is Reaper Command and Control. It was a pleasure to serve, Shepard out."

My thoughts exactly.

[Hey]

It's like that South Park where they have to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I guess I'd go with the giant douche...

[Zardoc]

Refuse...to keep playing.

[Iakus]

 I'd choose to return the game.

What?  That isn't an option?  

[Luxure]

Again, Refuse.

Reason why Synthesis is bad ->
Enjoy.

Modifié par Luxure, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[Sklibbles]

Refuse. Synthesis is the Reapers winning

[terdferguson123]

To the people saying refuse, do you realize that you are making a choice for EVERYONE, not just yourself?

I cannot believe how many people are saying refuse. You are just going to make a choice that will destroy the entirety of advanced organics simply becuase your specific morals don't want it to happen? Your really that self centred? Wow.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .

[Luxure]

And when you choose Synthesis you only do it for yourself, right ?

[terdferguson123]

Luxure wrote...

And when you choose Synthesis you only do it for yourself, right ?

One is to kill off everyone, the other is to survive...

[darkchief10]

hmmm, on the one hand i could play god and **** with the state of the universe and turn everyone into a horrific abomination or I could tell harbinger to go **** himself... I pick option b

[terdferguson123]

darkchief10 wrote...

hmmm, on the one hand i could play god and **** with the state of the universe and turn everyone into a horrific abomination or I could tell harbinger to go **** himself... I pick option b

And everyone dies. What does that accomplish? At least if they survive, albeit changed, there is still some hope.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:30 .

[Ryoten]

Refuse. Because i like it more than synthesis. Also, it makes more narrative sense.

[D24O]

As Shepard, synthesis. As myself, refuse.

[v TricKy v]

terdferguson123 wrote...

To the people saying refuse, do you realize that you are making a choice for EVERYONE, not just yourself?

I cannot believe how many people are saying refuse. You are just going to make a choice that will destroy the entirety of advanced organics simply becuase your specific morals don't want it to happen? Your really that self centred? Wow.

You could also use the Crucible and make the Reapers stronger which would doom you AND every cycle after you. Is that better for you?

[terdferguson123]

v TricKy v wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

To the people saying refuse, do you realize that you are making a choice for EVERYONE, not just yourself?

I cannot believe how many people are saying refuse. You are just going to make a choice that will destroy the entirety of advanced organics simply becuase your specific morals don't want it to happen? Your really that self centred? Wow.

You could also use the Crucible and make the Reapers stronger which would doom you AND every cycle after you. Is that better for you?

How do you know that is what happens? Wouldn't you say it's worth it to try something new rather than to doom your own generation as well as potentially and most likely countless others?

Don't get me wrong, I would take destroy over any of the other endings any day of the week. But given the context of the OP's directions and we only have a choice b/w synth and refuse. What is the point of dooming everyone when you don't even know what may come from Synthesis?

I guess I am just appaled that so many people would just rather die and kill everyone else with them, rather than attempt something new with unknown repercussions.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:40 .

[darkchief10]

terdferguson123 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

hmmm, on the one hand i could play god and **** with the state of the universe and turn everyone into a horrific abomination or I could tell harbinger to go **** himself... I pick option b

And everyone dies. What does that accomplish? At least if they survive, albeit changed, there is still some hope.

freedom for the next cycle as they will be much better informed on taking down the reapers, i am choosing the right to self determinate, even if it leads to our species death, synthesis removes that from the equation, synthetic and organic life are both valid forms of life, they have a right to make their own future, and besides, we won't lay down and die, we will take many reapers with us, thus weakening their forces to the next cycle expecting and preparing for their arrival.

[Bill Casey]

terdferguson123 wrote...

And everyone dies. What does that accomplish? At least if they survive, albeit changed, there is still some hope.

Samara: If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will be something new in the same body.

Thane: There’s no moral difference between the two. If you change who they are, you’ve “killed” them. Killed their perspective.

Jacob Taylor: Changing their personality is the same as killing them. Who they are is gone.

Grunt: Kill them or pull their teeth, what’s the difference? They’re killed both ways. Take away their fighting spirit, what else matters?

Garrus: That sounds dangerously close to indoctrination unless there’s something I’m missing. Maybe this is how AIs settle religious disputes.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:53 .

[terdferguson123]

darkchief10 wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

hmmm, on the one hand i could play god and **** with the state of the universe and turn everyone into a horrific abomination or I could tell harbinger to go **** himself... I pick option b

And everyone dies. What does that accomplish? At least if they survive, albeit changed, there is still some hope.

freedom for the next cycle as they will be much better informed on taking down the reapers, i am choosing the right to self determinate, even if it leads to our species death, synthesis removes that from the equation, synthetic and organic life are both valid forms of life, they have a right to make their own future, and besides, we won't lay down and die, we will take many reapers with us, thus weakening their forces to the next cycle expecting and preparing for their arrival.

You act as if the Reapers wouldn't do the same after seeing organics capabilities. There is a reason refusal results in our destruction, and that is to say that the Reapers will not be defeated by conventional means, no matter how informed they are. The Liara warning is no different than the Prothean warning, becuase that future generation is going to have completely different forms of communication, just like the Protheans and humans which made the beacon so difficult to understand. Nothing would change from doing it this way, the game has showed us that every generation has done the same thing. Tried to fight them conventionally, then pass off what they learned to the next generation and it always fails. What makes you believe the next will be any different. You really dont think that the Protheans didn't take a bunch of Reapers down with them? Or that they didn't do enough to prepare the next generation. I'd say they did more by what info the game gives us.

The bottom line is, you are being unrealistic by saying the next generation will be better prepared and the Reapers weakened, because you are ignoring the fact that this is the same scenario as what we recieved, and we still failed. If you refuse, you are putting the next generation in no better spot than what we were in coming into the Reaper war.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:56 .

[terdferguson123]

Bill Casey wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

And everyone dies. What does that accomplish? At least if they survive, albeit changed, there is still some hope.

Samara: If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will
be something new in the same body.



Thane: There’s no moral difference between the two. If you
change who they are, you’ve “killed” them. Killed their perspective.

Jacob Taylor: Changing their personality is the same as
killing them. Who they are is gone.

Grunt: Kill them or pull their teeth, what’s the difference?
They’re killed both ways. Take away their fighting spirit, what else matters?

Garrus: That sounds dangerously close to indoctrination
unless there’s something I’m missing. Maybe this is how AIs settle religious
disputes.

Your companions are making guesses, they don't know what will actually happen. Of what we can see, Joker and EDI's feelings for each other havn't changed after merging. Why do you say you have killed them? You have no idea what the actual repercussions of Synthesis will be, your just guessing that if you take away their pure organic form that they will lose their minds basically. But do you really know that that is what would happen?

[Bill Casey]

Shepard: It's not just about living 'til tomorrow. Sometimes you take a stand.

EDI: But the probability of success was near zero. And ultimately they failed.

Shepard: Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

[Bill Casey]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Your companions are making guesses, they don't know what will actually happen. Of what we can see, Joker and EDI's feelings for each other havn't changed after merging. Why do you say you have killed them? You have no idea what the actual repercussions of Synthesis will be, your just guessing that if you take away their pure organic form that they will lose their minds basically. But do you really know that that is what would happen?

Yes...
I do really know that is what has happened...

[terdferguson123]

Bill Casey wrote...

terdferguson123 wrote...

Your companions are making guesses, they don't know what will actually happen. Of what we can see, Joker and EDI's feelings for each other havn't changed after merging. Why do you say you have killed them? You have no idea what the actual repercussions of Synthesis will be, your just guessing that if you take away their pure organic form that they will lose their minds basically. But do you really know that that is what would happen?

Yes...
I do really know that is what has happened...

How? You aren't helping your argument by saying something like this. It's basically the same argument that bible thumpers use when people ask them why they believe in god "I just do!" That is a worthless answer and has no merit in any kind of argument. So, again, I ask, what evidence does the game actually give us that sais that upon merging organics will completely lose their ability to have perspective. We get 0 evidence for that, why? becuase it hasn't happened yet. So, anything up to that point that touches on the subject is purely 100% conjecture.

Modifié par terdferguson123, 01 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .