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[BearlyHere]

terdferguson123 wrote...

en2ym3 wrote...

Refuse.
The ending, to me, is still painfully offensive on several levels - Synthesis included. Refuse, while awful, felt the most true to ME of everything.

My -real- choice, though, is just never to do the ending again.

If you dislike the ending so much, why are you still here posting?

Because we bought the game just like you, and we have just as much right to be here as you.

[Luxure]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Luxure wrote...

Wesker1984 wrote...

Luxure wrote...

They become half organics not half humans and since the synthesis transformed every beings into hybrids machines the Catalyst will be changed the same way as the other synthetics, he will understand fully the organics. 

Did I really forgot to mention the Reapers and the StarBrat are still there ?
They become half organics ? What ? So, if they'll become half organics, if they cut themselves with a knife or w/e they'll start bleeding right ? They'll be able to sneeze, breathe, feel the warmth of others people body ( wait a minute, they won't be able to, because everyone will be a robot ), love, care, feel affection ? I think I can keep this all day long. But they won't, they'll still be machines. Don't give me Legion and EDI as examples. They weren't implanted with "humanish thoughts" and suddenly became "humanish". They went through a process of learning on what does it mean to be a human, a bag of meat, a fleshbag, a whatever. And even them, the AIs, wanted to see what it's like to be human. So no, don't get me how the Reapers and the StarBrat will "understand" the organics. That's terrible.

P.S. Watch the above video.

What are you talking about? What information does the game give us that after synthesis, those still alive would not be able to feel human thoughts? Did you miss the part of genuine affection between Joker and EDI? 

Again, STOP referencing that Deus Ex video, it has NOTHING to do with the situation in Mass Effect. They are completely, entirely unrelated because one causes split opinions (Deus Ex), the other does not (Mass Effect). Pay attention to the game more please.

You were talking about machines. My point was for the machines that got human "behaviours". Now, read what I wrote with "machines" stuck to your brain. Btw, Joker and EDI share affection without the Synthesis ending, just an FYI. Oh, and why should I stop referencing to Deus Ex ? ME3 ending is basically Deus Ex ending, just another universe. See you tomorrow now, please be reasonable.

[Ravereth]

Refuse - I would rather die than lose my freedom and humanity.

[G1MEE50K]

Refusal.
Synthesis is basically saying "O WELL LET'S JUST THROW AWAY HOPE AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE INDIVIDUAL"
no thanks.

[Sesshomaru47]

Refuse. The Synthesis ending reminds me of the ending of the OO movie, which I hated.

[Ryzaki]

en2ym3 wrote...

Refuse.
The ending, to me, is still painfully offensive on several levels - Synthesis included. Refuse, while awful, felt the most true to ME of everything.

My -real- choice, though, is just never to do the ending again.

If Destroy didn't have the side effect of killing EDI and the Geth would you have picked that? 

[zambot]

This forum is a disaster.

[wizardryforever]

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

[Ticonderoga117]

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

Yes, because becoming part of the Reaper collective is going to be just awesome right?
You do know Harby basically said this was the goal right?

You do realize that the main bad guys are still around in Synthesis?! And the fact GlowBoy is still there controlling them. Nor does it fix his "problem".

[DRTJR]

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

[zambot]

Oh noooooo Shepard put a Wifi receiver in my head with space magic. And now there's a unicorn in my yard, and it WON"T LEAVE. This is WORSE THAN DEATH

[wizardryforever]

DRTJR wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Nothing is preventing them from dying after synthesis, whereas they can't live again after they die in refusal.  Death is irreversible.  Condemning them all to death is infinitely worse than changing them (arguably for the better).  There's not really any ambiguity here.  Death is worse than life, except in the most extremely painful of circumstances.  Individuals who believe as you do are free to commit suicide afterwards.

[Eluril]

I'm a strong believer in the Singularity and therefore Synthesis is an easy pick for my Paragon Shepard. My Renegade Shepard would probably pick Refusal.

Also let me state for the record that the people saying "Synthesis destroys individuality/diversity", you are idiots who ignore the most obvious evidence. If anything EDI is MORE of an individual after synthesis than before. If you want to know the ideas Bioware was getting at with Synthesis read The Singularity is Near.

Modifié par Eluril, 07 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .

[noobcannon]

re fuse

[BSpud]

Eluril wrote...
Also let me state for the record that the
people saying "Synthesis destroys individuality/diversity", you are
idiots who ignore the most obvious evidence. If anything EDI is MORE of
an individual after synthesis than before. If you want to know the ideas
Bioware was getting at with Synthesis read The Singularity is Near.

Many of us anti-Synthesis people are probably familiar with Ray Kurzweil and his singularity hypothesis. I'm not anti-transhumanist but:

A) I'm not down with forcing it on people.

Kurzweil's singularity thang isn't that well thought-out and it's really overhyped at this point anyway. It also doesn't take into account the BROUGHT TO YOU BY CRAZY EVIL BAT-**** ****ING REAPERS factor, either.

C) Synthesis as presented is ludicrously funny.

Modifié par BeefheartSpud, 07 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[Volc19]

wizardryforever wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Nothing is preventing them from dying after synthesis, whereas they can't live again after they die in refusal.  Death is irreversible.  Condemning them all to death is infinitely worse than changing them (arguably for the better).  There's not really any ambiguity here.  Death is worse than life, except in the most extremely painful of circumstances.  Individuals who believe as you do are free to commit suicide afterwards.

Arguably for the better? Why do you think people dislike Synthesis in the first place? If it is oh-so easily seen as an upgrade, why do people dislike it? Do you think we just enjoy the idea of everyone dying?

We are arguing that dying while allowing the next cycle to live free of Synthesis is better than fundementally changing all life against it will (arguably for the worse). That is our opinion, you can have yours, however this is ours.

[wizardryforever]

Volc19 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Nothing is preventing them from dying after synthesis, whereas they can't live again after they die in refusal.  Death is irreversible.  Condemning them all to death is infinitely worse than changing them (arguably for the better).  There's not really any ambiguity here.  Death is worse than life, except in the most extremely painful of circumstances.  Individuals who believe as you do are free to commit suicide afterwards.

Arguably for the better? Why do you think people dislike Synthesis in the first place? If it is oh-so easily seen as an upgrade, why do people dislike it? Do you think we just enjoy the idea of everyone dying?

We are arguing that dying while allowing the next cycle to live free of Synthesis is better than fundementally changing all life against it will (arguably for the worse). That is our opinion, you can have yours, however this is ours.

How about you address something other than my parenthetical?  You know, the thing that was my actual point?

Death is worse than life, except in the most painful of cases.  And even in those cases, death is still an option.  Whereas death is final, life is not.  Put yourself in the shoes of the average person.  Would you rather die, or be changed in some unknown way?  Even if the change is for the worse (despite all cinematic evidence to the contrary), it is is still better than death.

[Volc19]

wizardryforever wrote...

How about you address something other than my parenthetical?  You know, the thing that was my actual point?

Death is worse than life, except in the most painful of cases.  And even in those cases, death is still an option.  Whereas death is final, life is not.  Put yourself in the shoes of the average person.  Would you rather die, or be changed in some unknown way?  Even if the change is for the worse (despite all cinematic evidence to the contrary), it is is still better than death.

So, you are presenting me with the logic that everyone has two choices after Synthesis, Suicide or life as a cyborg monster, and you are using this to try to enhance your argument? You aren't very good at this.

My point is that all life in the Galaxy is better off in Refuse. The current cycle dies, yet the next one lives without Synthesis corrupting them. It's a shame that we all have to die in the process, and I in no way feel it is positive that everyone dies, yet life gets to go on as it should.

Also, again, our point is that Synthesis is worse than death. You aren't arguing the point by stating a contrary opinion. We believe that it will lead to the stagnation of culture, and the elimination of individuality. Also, Synthesis becomes catastrophic if we ever meet any other life from another Galaxy, seeing as we, with our anti-individualist standpoint, would either try to Synthesize them or kill them to prevent that supposed Technological Singularity that Synthesis stands to prevent.

[d-boy15]

choose between writers most and least favor ending? that interesting...

[Asch Lavigne]

I would love to know what was everyone thinking when they became half synthetic.  "Uh... I'm part robot and the Reapers went friendly? WTF were the Protheans thinking when they designed the Catalyst?!?" (Because not everyone knows it wasn't the Protheans). Or seeing the debreifing Shep gave Hackett after refusing to use the Crucible.

I'd choose synthesis rather than let everyone die. There isn't time for a galactic vote and this way saves everyone. Plus you get the knowledge of the civilizations that came before. (Or was that Control?)

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:45 .

[English Cooper]

wizardryforever wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

zambot wrote...

This forum is a disaster.

I know, right?

The fact that people will willingly choose to doom trillions of people to death when they could be saved is just mind-boggling.  "But people didn't ask for synthesis!" they rant.  You know what they asked for even less?  Death.  I guarantee you that those trillions of people would rather live than die, regardless of what form they live in.  Only those in extreme pain ever want to die, and nobody can claim that synthesis causes that.  So yeah, synthesis in a heartbeat.

It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Nothing is preventing them from dying after synthesis, whereas they can't live again after they die in refusal.  Death is irreversible.  Condemning them all to death is infinitely worse than changing them (arguably for the better).  There's not really any ambiguity here.  Death is worse than life, except in the most extremely painful of circumstances.  Individuals who believe as you do are free to commit suicide afterwards.

Arguably for the better? Why do you think people dislike Synthesis in the first place? If it is oh-so easily seen as an upgrade, why do people dislike it? Do you think we just enjoy the idea of everyone dying?

We are arguing that dying while allowing the next cycle to live free of Synthesis is better than fundementally changing all life against it will (arguably for the worse). That is our opinion, you can have yours, however this is ours.

How about you address something other than my parenthetical?  You know, the thing that was my actual point?

Death is worse than life, except in the most painful of cases.  And even in those cases, death is still an option.  Whereas death is final, life is not.  Put yourself in the shoes of the average person.  Would you rather die, or be changed in some unknown way?  Even if the change is for the worse (despite all cinematic evidence to the contrary), it is is still better than death.

Going to have to disagree on that point, there are a lot of ways Death can be easier and more prefferable to life, Unfortunatly anyone (95% at least)  who has spent more than ten minutes in my RL job comes to this conclusion.

[Rustedness]

I wonder if synthesized folks see everything like Pyroland.

[MassEffect762]

Refuse. Fk EA, Mac and Casey for that B.S. ending.

[Omega2079]

Synthesis, then I'll be Reaper King and rule the galaxy with an iron tentacle of destruction.

[Soltana]

Refuse. From Shepard's POV, she believes in her galaxy.

Also goes for when we drag metagaming into this. This cycle sucks, anyway...You primitives get off my lawn.