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[KingZayd]

insomniak9 wrote...

Can we assume that if you choose Refuse, the next cycle choose Synthesis anyway?
How else can you explain the Asari stargazer having a grandson?

Pointless question is pointless.

How do you know that's her grandson?

[Slakky]

dreman9999 wrote...

Slakky wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Slakky wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Javik is in my mind absolute proof of brainwashing.
There is no way he'd be happy with this. No way. Not after everything he says. Not with the memory of the Zha'til that he carries. He wouldn't just be standing around passively.

Really, what would he do?  Brood about it extra?  Not his bag either way; he's going to go eat a gun after this.

Be furious. Not attend the memorial for the person most likely responsible for this. Kill himself if everyone's lucky, go on a shooting spree on the Normandy if they're not. Well. Your mileage may vary if existence as a husk is considered lucky.

Though Javik still follows Shep even if Shep says that destroying the Reapers isn't the ultimate goal.  Even if Shep lies to him about having this opinion.

Could just be he's showing deference to the person who succeeded where his people failed, even if they didn't do things how he wanted. That would be pretty consistent with his previous actions.

What? What Javik are you taking about? You never even descused with him on the issuse on killing the reapers is not the awnser. Do you know who he is? If he was there he would stab out you eyes for even considering synthesis. He will not blindly help you to assisst the reapers. For him it's their death or nothing.

From the debriefing in his recruitment mission:
"Those who share my purpose become allies, those who do not become casualties"
Shep can choose:
A.) That's extreme
B.) I agree
To which Javik either replies "Because you still have hope that this war will end with your honor intact."
or
"I do not believe you Commander; lieing is a biological marker." (maybe a different line for giant renedouche)

Point being he signs on even knowing that Shepard doesn't share his singularity of purpose, or even have "kill all Reapers" at the top of the priority list.  He couldn't have known peace was a possible outcome, but in the end he respected Shepard a lot, Shep believed in it enough to die for it, and it was more than he could do for his people.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I think he only says you're lying if you say that as Paragon. I don't recall being called a liar with my renedouche.

[ZerebusPrime]

I've stated this elsewhere but it bears repeating.

Synthesis is the Reaper's idea of Utopia. Everything is happy, full of purpose, full of understanding, and full of glowy green code stuff.

It's Hell.

[Lalalandia]

Refuse, synthesis is the negation of free-will and independent choice

[Aylyese]

Refuse, every day of the week and twice on sunday.

[MissMaster_2]

Refuse.

[riesenwiesel]

Refuse.

Shepard cannot pick synthesis, because in his situtation it is completely impossible to understand which consequences this would have for the future.

[Aiyie]

insomniak9 wrote...

Can we assume that if you choose Refuse, the next cycle choose Synthesis anyway?
How else can you explain the Asari stargazer having a grandson?

Pointless question is pointless.

i like to believe that they heeded the warnings contained in Liara's time capsule and built up their defenses to the point where they were able to win without making a deal with the devil... er, catalyst.

edit: i also don't believe thats an asari stargazer... just a female alien of some kind with a humanoid form.

Modifié par Aiyie, 30 juin 2012 - 05:56 .

[Master Xanthan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Say if The Crucible (since it's a giant battery and Starbrat can turn it off) wasn't capable of destroying or controlling. You're stuck with Synthesis or Refuse. Those are the only choices Starbrat will allow you to make.

Which would you pick and why?

Me? Refuse. Yeah everyone dies horribly but at least they die as themselves. And there's the chance that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without needing the Crucible.

Poll

But in the refuse ending the people in the next cycle would use the crucible anyway. Meaning that with your scenario synthesis would eventually happen. So refusal is pointless.

[Little Princess Peach]

Refuse I would never let shepard sumit to the reapers the green option is just another way the repars can control organics

[Applepie_Svk]

Hehe refusing synthesis as an outcome or refusing synthesis as an artistic vision ?

[Siibi]

Refuse.

If I can't destroy them then SO BE IT

[Fawx9]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Say if The Crucible (since it's a giant battery and Starbrat can turn it off) wasn't capable of destroying or controlling. You're stuck with Synthesis or Refuse. Those are the only choices Starbrat will allow you to make.

Which would you pick and why?

Me? Refuse. Yeah everyone dies horribly but at least they die as themselves. And there's the chance that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without needing the Crucible.

Poll

But in the refuse ending the people in the next cycle would use the crucible anyway. Meaning that with your scenario synthesis would eventually happen. So refusal is pointless.

We don't know what they used. They just to listen to the warnings instead of air quoting them away and found a way to beat the Reapers. Oh and also manage to stop the suppposed synthetic organic war that was "inevitable".

You're the ones headcannoning synthesis into how they did it.

[riesenwiesel]

insomniak9 wrote...

Can we assume that if you choose Refuse, the next cycle choose Synthesis anyway?
How else can you explain the Asari stargazer having a grandson?

Pointless question is pointless.

1.
It is not for sure that it is an Asari .
2.
Evolution, in case it is one, why shouldn't there be a race in the next cycle that makes Asari getting boys or can get boys from Asari.

[KingZayd]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Say if The Crucible (since it's a giant battery and Starbrat can turn it off) wasn't capable of destroying or controlling. You're stuck with Synthesis or Refuse. Those are the only choices Starbrat will allow you to make.

Which would you pick and why?

Me? Refuse. Yeah everyone dies horribly but at least they die as themselves. And there's the chance that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without needing the Crucible.

Poll

But in the refuse ending the people in the next cycle would use the crucible anyway. Meaning that with your scenario synthesis would eventually happen. So refusal is pointless.

The crucible which Liara tells them didn't work? Where did they get the plans from?

[kiyomizu]

I am not really enough of a tyrant in real life to force all lifeforms (organic and synthetic) to be merged without choice. I would refuse and simply die on principle.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Refuse. That way you don't destroy your own species and countless others. At least that would save the galaxy from genetic rape.

Fight and die.

[Master Xanthan]

Fawx9 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Say if The Crucible (since it's a giant battery and Starbrat can turn it off) wasn't capable of destroying or controlling. You're stuck with Synthesis or Refuse. Those are the only choices Starbrat will allow you to make.

Which would you pick and why?

Me? Refuse. Yeah everyone dies horribly but at least they die as themselves. And there's the chance that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without needing the Crucible.

Poll

But in the refuse ending the people in the next cycle would use the crucible anyway. Meaning that with your scenario synthesis would eventually happen. So refusal is pointless.

We don't know what they used. They just to listen to the warnings instead of air quoting them away and found a way to beat the Reapers. Oh and also manage to stop the suppposed synthetic organic war that was "inevitable".

You're the ones headcannoning synthesis into how they did it.

Did you even read the first post? The OP is the one that said synthesis or refusal, so if you do that scenario then the next cycle only has synthesis or refuse as well.

[Caenis]

Synthesis !

[Enjou]

kiyomizu wrote...

I am not really enough of a tyrant in real life to force all lifeforms (organic and synthetic) to be merged without choice. I would refuse and simply die on principle.

It's not just your death you're choosing though - refusal is choosing the death, huskification, indoctrination, and becoming Reapers for trillions of people. If forcing synthesis is tyranny, how is forcing people through that not tyranny?

[Fawx9]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Say if The Crucible (since it's a giant battery and Starbrat can turn it off) wasn't capable of destroying or controlling. You're stuck with Synthesis or Refuse. Those are the only choices Starbrat will allow you to make.

Which would you pick and why?

Me? Refuse. Yeah everyone dies horribly but at least they die as themselves. And there's the chance that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without needing the Crucible.

Poll

But in the refuse ending the people in the next cycle would use the crucible anyway. Meaning that with your scenario synthesis would eventually happen. So refusal is pointless.

We don't know what they used. They just to listen to the warnings instead of air quoting them away and found a way to beat the Reapers. Oh and also manage to stop the suppposed synthetic organic war that was "inevitable".

You're the ones headcannoning synthesis into how they did it.

Did you even read the first post? The OP is the one that said synthesis or refusal, so if you do that scenario then the next cycle only has synthesis or refuse as well.

And why do you think that?

That constraint doesn't apply to the next cycle at all, we don't even know if they built the bloody thing and Liara warns them about it not working.

[oracle343gspark]

Synthesis is my #1 choice anyways.

[Rahmiel]

That's a really tough decision. Personally, I like the refuse ending better. But still.. thinking about it with a lot of weight on your shoulders.

You don't want to be altered, and to make the choice for other people would certainly draw the ire and disgust of people. How could you choose at all! Should have fought!

You choose fight, and while people are being massacred all around you, and your civilisation burning down around you.. you'd be thinking the whole time.. isn't living preferable to this? It's not like you're a slave.. but.. yeah. <shrug>

It's a tough decision that I think a lot of people are looking at in a vacuum and making a snap decision. It's a lot tougher when you try to think that shepard is actually speaking for an entire galaxy, not just his race but all races.

[kiyomizu]

Enjou wrote...

It's not just your death you're choosing though - refusal is choosing the death, huskification, indoctrination, and becoming Reapers for trillions of people. If forcing synthesis is tyranny, how is forcing people through that not tyranny?

By not choosing I am not forcing anything on anyone.  I am leaving "people" to fight conventionally.  Furthermore, there is nothing stopping the next person going up the space elevator and choosing genetic rape, I personally however want no part of it.