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kathic wrote...

1) Indoc theory is dead thank god.
2) Any game they make would need to occur in the years between ME1 and ME2. There is not enough time to really have anything occur before ME1 because humanity is insanely new to the galaxy. The ending to ME3 even with Destroy would be make any game depressing.


Yeah great we all love prequels...Why would destroy make a game depressing? There are a lot of possibilities to make a ME4

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kathic wrote...

1) Indoc theory is dead thank god.
2) Any game they make would need to occur in the years between ME1 and ME2. There is not enough time to really have anything occur before ME1 because humanity is insanely new to the galaxy. The ending to ME3 even with Destroy would be make any game depressing.

Why? Set it when things are rebuilt with Reaper help or not. Synthesis is rather awkward though, so that would need to be canon or not. Ditto with genophage cured krogan and whether the geth and quarians are alive or not. Have them all alive and the game universe is pretty much what it was before 1.

So unfortunately it's impossible not to choose some canon for any post ME3 settings. To get around that the endings would've had to be even more railroaded. It's a huge pity to rule out such a great universe though.

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Firecell11 wrote...

ediskrad327 wrote...

or assuming the next game is Mass Effect 4 they could pull a Kotor 2


Kotor 2 is more than 6 years old. It was acceptable back then but not for today.

it is not acceptable to choose at the begining the ending of the prevous game makeing any outcome canon?

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Xellith wrote...

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I thought Bioware wasn't going to do any other ME games that take place after ME3 anyway, so if that's true they don't need to make a canon ending at all. Maybe it's just a rumour though.


The dev team have said many things.  Name me one thing they said that actually came true however...


They said they would think about a sequal depends on fan feedback. I think Mike Gamble said it himself if I remebler correctly.

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That's a cannon, not canon, dummy.:pinched:


It is canon.

Forget cannon, canon, where's this cannon?


It is written, canon will only cannon whatever is canon. Therefore the cannon will canon for all of eternity for canon.
- Canon, Cannon.

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I believe somewhere they said any future content would take place before the end of ME3, which makes me kind of sad. I'm not a big fan of prequels; when I become a fan of a setting and characters I kind of like to see those fictional timelines continuously 'move forward'.

On that note 'Destroy' is the best option if they somehow changed their minds.   Not the option I chose (I took control), but Control and Synthesis are just a bit too out there and and have gonzo implications...would be a bit more difficult to build a story around.  Destroy leaves the galaxy simple and familiar.

Modifié par N-Seven, 29 juin 2012 - 11:32 .


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I've never read any of the Mass Effect books that are currently out, but don't any of them say what happens to Shepard/Harbinger/TIM//The Catalyst/Destroy or Control? Or do the the books have nothing to do with Shepard and Shepard is just Bioware's offshoot character?

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Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

I've never read any of the Mass Effect books that are currently out, but don't any of them say what happens to Shepard/Harbinger/TIM//The Catalyst/Destroy or Control? Or do the the books have nothing to do with Shepard and Shepard is just Bioware's offshoot character?


They kid of avoid all the game details I believe.

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Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

I've never read any of the Mass Effect books that are currently out, but don't any of them say what happens to Shepard/Harbinger/TIM//The Catalyst/Destroy or Control? Or do the the books have nothing to do with Shepard and Shepard is just Bioware's offshoot character?

books avoid to depct theses choices since they don't want to make a canon shepard that nobody would care about

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there needs to be a GOOD ending.

jk destroy is "good" I guess, in a bittersweet way...nah just bitter. at least for shepard. how about I kick harbinger in the balls like I've been convinced I can do and beat the reapers somehow?

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They opened up the ME universe for a future. A canon ending is probably going to be high EMS destroy.

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They opened up the ME universe for a future. A canon ending is probably going to be high EMS destroy.

Will they get too much backlash from people who made other choices?

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Firecell11 wrote...

If Bioware want to continue the Mass Effect universe then there has to be a canon ending for ME3.
Don't they have to follow the lore? Yeah we have that Stargazer scene set long time after the events of ME3 and people remeber the story. But this scene makes literally 0 sense with synthesis and control. I can't imagine a new game set after Mass Effect 3 if synthesis and control are real. How can you make sequals with this? I really don't know.

Personally I think (the Indoctrination Theory) or destroy ending are the only ways to go.
Perhaps even Refusal but it doesn't makes sense to me. Why does Liara's VI say the Crucible didn't work when it works just perfectly? Shepard didn't press a button now we're all dead? This ending shouldn't even be in the EC.
I pray to god they don't make another shooter that would be ridiculous.

Thoughts?


there is non we got screwed harder then a a wall hit by a wrecking ball
i stand by my sign at all times
ME3- it had ended before it even started
thats the game filled with stupid plot holes
with a rogue AI with weak character that was added 10 minutes before the game came out
so ... all the endings are super bad taking to account that mr star child could have activated the mass relay or the reapers at the start of ME1 pretty much a paradox on the whole trilogy
he was there but he didn't do anything to effect anyone or get the reapers in and he appears only in the last 10 minutes of the whole trilogy
that was what the writer's gave us WEAK PLOT and a bad end to a master piece
apparently that's how "Bioware Rolls"
there are thousand holes currently in the plot of ME
the ME3 that was poorly written as if a brain dmged child was the one to come up with the story
ME3 left holes in ME1 and ME2 rendering the whole game trilogy in ruins
and they attempted to "fix " the mega bad and weak plot
with some 1-2 minute "talking with pictures"
and "the question" that proves that that little kid wasnt even supposed to be there he just got in at the final 10 minutes of the making so they had to do EC to give him some conversation options
since he for billions of years been committing genocide on entire galactic civilizations
cuz REALLY trying to "get peace" is just too much work
so to murder everyone much faster and more efficient

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The mass effect trilogy basically means this is it, no need to have a canon ending if this is all we get.
There might come a prequel, nothing i would buy but hey, they might think they make a few bucks with it.

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Could do it like a Lucas Arts game, and always assume the "good" ending is cannon.... but what one would that be anyway?

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Alushadow wrote...

Firecell11 wrote...

If Bioware want to continue the Mass Effect universe then there has to be a canon ending for ME3.
Don't they have to follow the lore? Yeah we have that Stargazer scene set long time after the events of ME3 and people remeber the story. But this scene makes literally 0 sense with synthesis and control. I can't imagine a new game set after Mass Effect 3 if synthesis and control are real. How can you make sequals with this? I really don't know.

Personally I think (the Indoctrination Theory) or destroy ending are the only ways to go.
Perhaps even Refusal but it doesn't makes sense to me. Why does Liara's VI say the Crucible didn't work when it works just perfectly? Shepard didn't press a button now we're all dead? This ending shouldn't even be in the EC.
I pray to god they don't make another shooter that would be ridiculous.

Thoughts?


there is non we got screwed harder then a a wall hit by a wrecking ball
i stand by my sign at all times
ME3- it had ended before it even started
thats the game filled with stupid plot holes
with a rogue AI with weak character that was added 10 minutes before the game came out
so ... all the endings are super bad taking to account that mr star child could have activated the mass relay or the reapers at the start of ME1 pretty much a paradox on the whole trilogy
he was there but he didn't do anything to effect anyone or get the reapers in and he appears only in the last 10 minutes of the whole trilogy
that was what the writer's gave us WEAK PLOT and a bad end to a master piece
apparently that's how "Bioware Rolls"
there are thousand holes currently in the plot of ME
the ME3 that was poorly written as if a brain dmged child was the one to come up with the story
ME3 left holes in ME1 and ME2 rendering the whole game trilogy in ruins
and they attempted to "fix " the mega bad and weak plot
with some 1-2 minute "talking with pictures"
and "the question" that proves that that little kid wasnt even supposed to be there he just got in at the final 10 minutes of the making so they had to do EC to give him some conversation options
since he for billions of years been committing genocide on entire galactic civilizations
cuz REALLY trying to "get peace" is just too much work
so to murder everyone much faster and more efficient


A great opportunity to fix A LOT of plot holes in a sequal. I don't want Mass Effect to remember like that.

Modifié par Firecell11, 29 juin 2012 - 11:40 .


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ChrisDV wrote...

There IS a canon ending.

It's just as canon as Shepard's gender.


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saracen16 wrote...

ChrisDV wrote...

There IS a canon ending.

It's just as canon as Shepard's gender.


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I think he meant a canonical ending in the sense of the series as a whole and less the trilogy. In my opinion it's the destroy ending, just from what I have seen of the three games background information to my this makes the most logical sense.

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Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They opened up the ME universe for a future. A canon ending is probably going to be high EMS destroy.

Will they get too much backlash from people who made other choices?

Well what are you going to do with the other two? In control you have an omnipotent being protecting everyone making sure no bad things occur or else they get massively stomped or you go with synthesis in which literally nothing bad every happens again and everyone lives in peace and harmony in a utopia. The only endings with a story decent enough for a sequel are destroy and the reject ending and I doubt they would go with reject as the universe would simply be too alien for any newcomers to the genre ( however I think it would work great as a side game). So in the end destroy is the only ending where you can get a sequel.

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If they did continue the franchise post-trilogy, you'd be surprised what kind of shortcuts they'd most likely take.

For Control/Synthesis they'd come up with a rather simple/vague reason for why the Reapers left. Destroy is pretty obvious. The tricky part is what happened to Shepard. He'd obviously have to remain absent and then they can just add a dialog hook that checks the plot stake (Shepard is Catalyst/dead/etc). Then it's simple texture swaps based on if you chose Synthesis or not. Beyond that they would most likely make ME4 or any future ME title about 95% unrelated to ME3.

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Why do you guys NEED Bioware to tell you how the story ends? If they deciede to make a future game, they might (if they are smart) canonize 1 ending, but that dosent make it any more valid for your playtrough of the original trilogy...

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Karimloo wrote...

blue water wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

kaotician wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

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That's a cannon, not canon, dummy.:pinched:


It is canon.

Forget cannon, canon, where's this cannon?


It is written, canon will only cannon whatever is canon. Therefore the cannon will canon for all of eternity for canon.
- Canon, Cannon.


Sorry, yes I know that.  I was interested in the thing that shoots cannonballs and its location.

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RyMann88 wrote...

If they did continue the franchise post-trilogy, you'd be surprised what kind of shortcuts they'd most likely take.

For Control/Synthesis they'd come up with a rather simple/vague reason for why the Reapers left. Destroy is pretty obvious. The tricky part is what happened to Shepard. He'd obviously have to remain absent and then they can just add a dialog hook that checks the plot stake (Shepard is Catalyst/dead/etc). Then it's simple texture swaps based on if you chose Synthesis or not. Beyond that they would most likely make ME4 or any future ME title about 95% unrelated to ME3.


To be honest I think Bioware made a mistake going with those endings. A lot of people would have loved a sequel but now this is hard do to. If this is how they see coming it to an end then well... an unrelated ME title is just an uninteresting as any COD titles to me.