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[Fauxnormal]

cbutz wrote...

Didn't the Asari refuse to go along with Shepards plan? They kind of isolated themselves up until the reapers started closing in.

So that TOTALLY means they deserved it!!!!!!!one11111

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'll go along with opening the Temple of Athame to research teams from all Council Races, although I think that's a given now. That place is the worst kept secret around.

Loss of patents is going to require legal actions, and court decisions. That is not going to be simple. Again we're talking corporations, and these may not be in Asari space either. They may be in the Terminus.

But now is not the time to seek vengeance for withholding technology. Are we going to ask every government to open their books and worlds for inspections?

The thing is that I think the races have all learned a lesson from this war. That we're all stronger when we work together. There is going to be a lot of cooperation in the future to get our homeworlds and colonies rebuilt.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But was the Prothean VI the only thing in it?

[Ryzaki]

Fauxnormal wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Yes. Reprimand, public apology, some kind of monetary reparations to the other council races, loss of prothean-derived technology patents, disclosure of any other classified prothean-derived secrets, and the Temple of Athame should be open to research teams from all council races.

This is actually...really logical and totally sound. It would go a long way towards helping to rebuild, too.

Yup this.

Their immense fall from grace will also suffice.

[cbutz]

Not saying they deserved it..just that they really made it harder thanwas necessary. Does Thessia fall if they went along and told them about the Prothean relic tech and cooperated? Maybe the crucible gets shot off before Thessia falls.


Also, I agree vengeance is not the answer. Actually, from Destroy high EMS the Citadel still orbits Earth with the beam..perhaps symbolizing humanity as the new center of galactic power.Perhaps that is "punishment" enough.

Modifié par cbutz, 30 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[QuanManChu]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

Yes. Reprimand, public apology, some kind of monetary reparations to the other council races, loss of prothean-derived technology patents, disclosure of any other classified prothean-derived secrets, and the Temple of Athame should be open to research teams from all council races.

This is actually...really logical and totally sound. It would go a long way towards helping to rebuild, too.

Yup this.

Their immense fall from grace will also suffice.

Aw...can't we at least makig them were Naughty Libriarian outfits?

[felipejiraya]

As I said a couple pages ago, this is a non-issue since it's not like after the Thessia mission everyone on the galaxy know the truth.

So few people outside of the asari government know about this (and the majority outside of it are dead) that with all the rebuilding and chaos within it the asari will keep quiet about this and carry on withholding prothean tech from the other species.

[Ryzaki]

felipejiraya wrote...

As I said a couple pages ago, this is a non-issue since it's not like after the Thessia mission everyone on the galaxy know the truth.

So few people outside of the asari government know about this (and the majority outside of it are dead) that with all the rebuilding and chaos within it the asari will keep quiet about this and carry on withholding prothean tech from the other species.

Hah yeah right. The human gov't knows about this now. Asari will be on lock. Early. They will not be able to horde Prothean tech again and every advancement they make will be scrutinized.

Also remember that pretty much the entire Normandy leearns about it. If you think there won't be a leak...

Just like the Normandy's blueprints magically ended up in the hands of the STG so will info about the Asari hording the beacon.

I don't see a war occuring but censorship and bitterness? Oh yes.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[General User]

DevilBeast wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yesh, they should. The Asari kept if from the rest of the Galaxy and unnessecarily stretched out an grueling, violent war. They should be kicked on their asses and off the council at the very least.

So, we should punish a whole race for something their government did.. Alright..

It's not that they "should" so much as they "have to," no matter what anyone might think about it.

And it's not "punishment," so much as it is "face the consequences."

Modifié par General User, 30 juin 2012 - 03:06 .

[justafan]

felipejiraya wrote...

As I said a couple pages ago, this is a non-issue since it's not like after the Thessia mission everyone on the galaxy know the truth.

So few people outside of the asari government know about this (and the majority outside of it are dead) that with all the rebuilding and chaos within it the asari will keep quiet about this and carry on withholding prothean tech from the other species.

Well, TIM found out about it easy enough.

I'm also pretty sure that Shepard would have debriefed Hackett on it after the mission, so the human military is now in the know.

Not to mention anyone on Thessia trying to find safety in the temple (and I would imagine holy sights would be the first place people will flee to in the apocalypse) will notice a giant Prothean Artifact, and none of them know it is a government secret.  Word is likely to get out after the war ends.

[felipejiraya]

Ryzaki wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

As I said a couple pages ago, this is a non-issue since it's not like after the Thessia mission everyone on the galaxy know the truth.

So few people outside of the asari government know about this (and the majority outside of it are dead) that with all the rebuilding and chaos within it the asari will keep quiet about this and carry on withholding prothean tech from the other species.

Hah yeah right. The human gov't knows about this now. Asari will be on lock. Early. They will not be able to horde Prothean tech again and every advancement they make will be scrutinized.

How?

The only people who knew about this are dead (Shepard, Kai Leng, TIM) or won't talk about it (Liara and 3rd squadmate). 

[Ryzaki]

felipejiraya wrote...


How?

The only people who knew about this are dead (Shepard, Kai Leng, TIM) or won't talk about it (Liara and 3rd squadmate). 

Pretty sure Shep tells Hackett (or would tell Hackett when he got the chance).  As for 3rd squadmate...uh how are you so sure they won't talk about it? Besides EDI's constantly referred to as a blabber mouth. Hell anyone listening in on Shep's comms would know about it. Also why in hell wouldn't Garrus or Tali tell their gov't about the Asari's ridculous advantage. They have little to no reason to keep it to themselves. Especially not if the Asari try to use it as an boost to get themselves back ontop of the galatic food chain while remaining massive hypocrites with everyone else using Prothean beacons.

As for TIM, Kai Leng I wouldn't at all be surprised if TIM had put it somewhere as a backup to ruin the human-asari alliance. That data would be something to cause chaos and disorder.

Besides Shep doesn't have to be dead. Hi there best destroy!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

That would be like trying to punish the United States for breaking international law. Yea the US did bad but what are you going to do about it?

[Ticonderoga117]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

Cerberus spent all of ME3 openly helping the Reapers. If the Asari lose their council seat (or whatever punishment) for hoarding Prothean tech, then what's humanity's punishment for helping the Reapers?

Cerberus =/= Human Government
The Asari Government explicitly with-held Prothean tech, even they they made laws against the same thing.

Different.

[Ryzaki]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

Cerberus spent all of ME3 openly helping the Reapers. If the Asari lose their council seat (or whatever punishment) for hoarding Prothean tech, then what's humanity's punishment for helping the Reapers?

Cerberus is not humanity's gov't. Cerberus also didn't hoard Prothean tech and then make it illegal for any other race to do the same.

Though I doubt the Asari will lose their seat. They'd lose alot of standing and respect in the galatic community though. Enough that they might just stand down.

[xxskyshadowxx]

QuanManChu wrote...

Look at Topic. And discuss. I personally think that though the desicion was made ages ago...they still had plenty of opportunities to share with the rest of the Galactic community post Me1.

Watching so many of their people die at the hands of the Reapers was punishment enough for them. But then again, if they are like most politicians, they won't learn anything from it. But still...I think they've already been punished.

[corporal doody]

Dendio1 wrote...

We just had the war to end all wars. Shepard went out of his way to unite the galaxy. How about some peace

worked after WWI didnt it?

[DevilBeast]

General User wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yesh, they should. The Asari kept if from the rest of the Galaxy and unnessecarily stretched out an grueling, violent war. They should be kicked on their asses and off the council at the very least.

So, we should punish a whole race for something their government did.. Alright..

It's not that they "should" so much as they "have to," no matter what anyone might think about it.

And it's not "punishment," so much as it is "face the consequences."

So, by that logic we "have to" punish every single citizen in a given nation for everything their government did??
And yes, I still view it as a sort of punishment, if you do something deliberately to harm the people one way or the other.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 30 juin 2012 - 03:28 .

[LordJeyl]

Yeah. Like every single race in the galaxy doesn't harbor their own secrets or their own agendas. At least their secret didn't deliberately attempt to stop everyone from fighting the Reapers. Thank you Cerberus.

[Sousabird]

Karimloo wrote...

They have to do 10 push ups each.

Twisted, I know.

This I would pay to see.
In a perfect world they would be punished in some way, but rebuilding a devestated galaxy MIGHT take precedence

[General User]

DevilBeast wrote...

General User wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yesh, they should. The Asari kept if from the rest of the Galaxy and unnessecarily stretched out an grueling, violent war. They should be kicked on their asses and off the council at the very least.

So, we should punish a whole race for something their government did.. Alright..

It's not that they "should" so much as they "have to," no matter what anyone might think about it.

And it's not "punishment," so much as it is "face the consequences."

So, by that logic we "have to" punish every single citizen in a given nation for everything their government did??

"That logic" would not be mine.  Like I said, it's not "punishment" so much as it is facing the consequences.  It's just a fact of nature, all of our actions or decisions have consequences.  And the actions and decisions of leaders have consequences for everyone under them.

DevilBeast wrote...
And yes, I still view it as a sort of punishment, if you do something deliberately to harm the people one way or the other.

The only "people" who deliberately harmed the asari were the Catalyst and it's Reapers.  And the asari never did them any wrong.

Modifié par General User, 30 juin 2012 - 03:38 .

[KingNothing125]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I'll go along with opening the Temple of Athame to research teams from all Council Races, although I think that's a given now. That place is the worst kept secret around.

Loss of patents is going to require legal actions, and court decisions. That is not going to be simple. Again we're talking corporations, and these may not be in Asari space either. They may be in the Terminus.

But now is not the time to seek vengeance for withholding technology. Are we going to ask every government to open their books and worlds for inspections?

The thing is that I think the races have all learned a lesson from this war. That we're all stronger when we work together. There is going to be a lot of cooperation in the future to get our homeworlds and colonies rebuilt.

Legal action is what we're talking about. After the Asari's deception comes to light, the council will either vote 3-1 or 4-0 (if Tavos wishes to do the honorable thing) in favor of the measures I mentioned, and Spectres will sieze and publish the classified material in question.

Regardless of what corporations are involved and where they're located, the only way they could have obtained this information was by working with the Asari government, which tightly restricted access to the Temple of Athame. If they've benefitted from such a partnership, sorry, but those gains are forfeit. The council can sieze their source code or what-have-you and make it available publicly.

You can't just let the Asari off the hook. They hoarded a veritable treasure trove of Prothean information, including the existence of the Reapers and the Crucible, for thousands of years. If they had shared that information, the Reaper war could have been far less disastrous. They bear plenty responsibility for the destruction wrought on the galaxy through willful negligence.