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[Siansonea]

The asari deserve a huge censure for their role in covering up the existence of the Reapers, more than anything else to do with the Athame beacon. The beacon I'm sure had information on the Reapers, and I'm sure Tevos knew about it, and I'm sure she knew Shepard was on the up and up as soon as she heard about the Reapers from Shepard's contact with the Eden Prime beacon. The fact that she didn't do more to support Shepard shows that she was more interested in covering up the Athame secret than actually addressing the biggest threat the galaxy had ever faced. And the Athame beacon has probably been actively explored by the asari for thousands of years. So the highest-level asari have known for MILLENNIA about the Reapers. SRSLY? The average asari was unaware of the beacon's existence, and therefore the existence of the Reapers, and they shouldn't be penalized, but Tevos should step down, and the Armali and Serrice Councils should probably be dismissed as well. I'm SURE they were in collusion. Those Savant Bio-amps and Omni-Tools just happened to be the best on the market? Riiiiiiight.

Of course, the salarians on Sur'Kesh need to be knocked down a peg or two for covertly uplifting the yahg, and for their shenanigans with the female krogan from Maelon's experiments.

The humans need to be punished for the actions of the Illusive Man and Cerberus, who have caused untold havoc in the struggle against the Reapers. They have created AIs, which is against Council Law, and a human even destroyed a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands of batarians in the process.

So, punishment for everyone!

[Applepie_Svk]

Hiding it was for good reason, with someone so wicked like Salarians in gouverment I would be affraid of outcome if they could find something valuable to their genetic research... or turians which would be looking for new doomsday weapon.

It´s better that way ....

[Omega2079]

KingNothing125 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I'll go along with opening the Temple of Athame to research teams from all Council Races, although I think that's a given now. That place is the worst kept secret around.

Loss of patents is going to require legal actions, and court decisions. That is not going to be simple. Again we're talking corporations, and these may not be in Asari space either. They may be in the Terminus.

But now is not the time to seek vengeance for withholding technology. Are we going to ask every government to open their books and worlds for inspections?

The thing is that I think the races have all learned a lesson from this war. That we're all stronger when we work together. There is going to be a lot of cooperation in the future to get our homeworlds and colonies rebuilt.

Legal action is what we're talking about. After the Asari's deception comes to light, the council will either vote 3-1 or 4-0 (if Tavos wishes to do the honorable thing) in favor of the measures I mentioned, and Spectres will sieze and publish the classified material in question.

Regardless of what corporations are involved and where they're located, the only way they could have obtained this information was by working with the Asari government, which tightly restricted access to the Temple of Athame. If they've benefitted from such a partnership, sorry, but those gains are forfeit. The council can sieze their source code or what-have-you and make it available publicly.

You can't just let the Asari off the hook. They hoarded a veritable treasure trove of Prothean information, including the existence of the Reapers and the Crucible, for thousands of years. If they had shared that information, the Reaper war could have been far less disastrous. They bear plenty responsibility for the destruction wrought on the galaxy through willful negligence.

Willfull negligence means there had to be a known risk. If that's the case, then every other council species and the Aliance are also willfully negligent.

Modifié par Omega2079, 30 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[ElementL09]

Karma got to them, Thessia I mean. If they would have provided that information earlier then Thessia probably wouldn't have fallen.

[KingZayd]

Siansonea II wrote...

The asari deserve a huge censure for their role in covering up the existence of the Reapers, more than anything else to do with the Athame beacon. The beacon I'm sure had information on the Reapers, and I'm sure Tevos knew about it, and I'm sure she knew Shepard was on the up and up as soon as she heard about the Reapers from Shepard's contact with the Eden Prime beacon. The fact that she didn't do more to support Shepard shows that she was more interested in covering up the Athame secret than actually addressing the biggest threat the galaxy had ever faced. And the Athame beacon has probably been actively explored by the asari for thousands of years. So the highest-level asari have known for MILLENNIA about the Reapers. SRSLY? The average asari was unaware of the beacon's existence, and therefore the existence of the Reapers, and they shouldn't be penalized, but Tevos should step down, and the Armali and Serrice Councils should probably be dismissed as well. I'm SURE they were in collusion. Those Savant Bio-amps and Omni-Tools just happened to be the best on the market? Riiiiiiight.

Of course, the salarians on Sur'Kesh need to be knocked down a peg or two for covertly uplifting the yahg, and for their shenanigans with the female krogan from Maelon's experiments.

The humans need to be punished for the actions of the Illusive Man and Cerberus, who have caused untold havoc in the struggle against the Reapers. They have created AIs, which is against Council Law, and a human even destroyed a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands of batarians in the process.

So, punishment for everyone!

Not everyone can use beacons like Shepard can, remember ME1?

[MidnightRaith]

Why are we talking like this is common knowledge? Tevos gave the beacon information to Shepard. Liara has to go with you, so it's just you, Liara, the third squadmate, Kai Leng, TIM and the high asari government. Two out of the list are dead for sure and a massive swath of the asari government are gone as well. My Shepard wouldn't tell anyone, Liara wouldn't tell anyone, so it all depends on that third squadmate, who is probably Garrus in my case and he wouldn't go blabbing either. IF somehow, this information got out another way, then who exactly are we going to punish here anyway? Most of the asari government is going to be dead. So, yeah, let's just punish their citizens for highly classified information they had no idea their government is keeping. What is the point in doing so?

[Wulfram]

If the truth comes out, the Asari government will likely be punished by the Asari people.

The revelation of this conspiracy would be in itself disturbing to the Asari e-democracy, but when you add the fact that it could be argued to have caused the Fall of Thessia it'll likely be shattering to the Asari political establishment.

(Though ironically the secrecy may have saved the galaxy. If it had been handed over, Shepard likely wouldn't have been sent to retrieve it, without the Cypher/Javik it's secrets wouldn't have been revealed and without knowing what the Catalyst was the Galaxy would have been doomed)

[gisle]

They got a lot of thessian blood on their hand, and centuries to live with the guilt. No punishment could undo what happened anyway. The picture of Samara and Falere implies the rebuild didn't take too long, so at the very least the matriarchs that knew it should face the music.

Only Shepard, Shiala and Javik have the prothean cipher which seemed to activate the VI, so the asari elite might not even have known the details in the VI were so specific.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 30 juin 2012 - 10:10 .

[MisterJB]

They chose to watch Earth, Pallaven, Kahje, Dekuuna and Irune burn before giving up some political power.
Personally, I would like to see them removed from the Council along with the salarians. Elevate the krogan.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 juin 2012 - 10:10 .

[FlamboyantRoy]

MisterJB wrote...

They chose to watch Earth, Pallaven, Kahje, Dekuuna and Irune burn before giving up some political power.
Personally, I would like to see them removed from the Council along with the salarians.

Exactly how I feel. Asari dominance will be at an end.

[garrusfan1]

If it was before the war yes after them war no everyone probably wanted to relax

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Before or after Shepard ruined the galaxy?

[flanny]

If any one wants punishing it is the salarians, i mean we're about to go toe to toe with the reaper fleet and all they send me is an STG team? what is up with that

[Barquiel]

Everyone who knows about it is dead...or has no interest in revealing the truth.

[MisterJB]

Anyone who is not an asari would have a keen interest in revealing the truth.

[Zardoc]

Sylvianus wrote...

They are among the winners, they helped in the final battle, that's the only thing we must take into account after the war. We need to rebuild, and we need the Asari. What was done before the war doesn't matter anymore. 

It was done during the war just aswell. Had they acted earlier, much bloodshed may have been avoided.

Of course we need the asari, that doesn't mean we need their current government, who sat on their lazy asses doing diddly squat for most of the war. They only started to act when their own planets started to get invaded. I say we throw the government out of an airlock and appoint a new one. That goes for the Dalatrass aswell.

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .

[TheSixthghoul]

Yes, public executions for all of them or a thousand years of forced sodomy on each other on the corpses of the dead.

[The Angry One]

Their council, their rules. Without the Asari there'd be no galactic society.

Deal with it.

[Ryzaki]

MisterJB wrote...

Anyone who is not an asari would have a keen interest in revealing the truth.

This. Especially if the Asari try to reenact that laughably hypocritical "everyone must share Prothean tech!" law again.

That said it looks like they'll have lost all their power regardless. Humanity will probably replace them (since they lost their cheat sheet).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 02 juillet 2012 - 05:31 .

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...

Their council, their rules. Without the Asari there'd be no galactic society.

Deal with it.

If the asari won't obey their own rules, I don't see why we should either.

[agu123]

The Asari as a whole shouldn't be punished. Their leaders? Yeah.

But let's be honest, they are arguably the most powerful and influential species in the Galaxy, I don't see that happening anytime soon.