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[MisterJB]

Nyoka wrote...
That's very interesting. I thought you wanted to punish the Asari because they chose to watch Earth, Pallaven, Kahje, Dekuuna and Irune burn before giving up some political power.

Their selfishness causes me indignation and fury but I am more than capable of placing practical matters ahead of my emotions.

[darkchief10]

The Angry One wrote...

Right, and who gets to be high and mighty in this regard?

Humanity? Cerberus.
Turians? Bombing civilians to attempt to extort newly contacted races into becoming client states.
Salarians? Meddling in the genophage cure, obstructing the war effort, attempting to use undeveloped species for their own ends.
Batarians? Hahahahaha.
Hanar? Being big stupid jellyfish.

Face it, nobody's clean, and in the grand scheme of things the Asari have done the least damage here. Nobody's going to do anything lest they want their own dirty laundry brought up.

yeah this newfound "peace" isn't going to last long, it's only a matter of time before all the races are at each other's throats again, people seem to forget that organics have selective memory, 
War to end all wars? Please war is in our nature, and that need will want out again, and it always gets out, whoever thinks the end of the reaper war means peace for all time is naive

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Angry One wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope but the salarians should face trade sanctions for being dicks in the war.

See here's the problem with trying to impose sanctions on the only major world not to be ravaged by the Reapers.

They'd respond with this:

www.youtube.com/watch

Good thing the new catalyst is there to provide the rest of the species with the Reaper amada to help put some political pressure on the Salarian union.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

What exactly will punishing the Reapers bring us except some righteous satisfaction? Nothing, their technology can be better understood if they guide us through it. Not to mention they, as far as we know, are a neutral part as far as politics go.

Eliminating a threat, and putting the civilisations they butchered and perverted to rest.

Punishing the asari could pave the way for humanity to become the new dominant species in the galaxy.

That is not desirable, and also quite hypocritical.

[KingZayd]

The Angry One wrote...

Their council, their rules. Without the Asari there'd be no galactic society.

Deal with it.

The Asari don't own the council. They may have founded it, but that mean they can choose to disregard what they want.

At the very least all patents illegitimately derived from the information in this beacon should be rendered void. There should be an investigation and those who knowingly profited from this crime should be fined by the Council for their illegitimate profits.

The Asari Councillor that knew of the beacon should step down and be replaced.

The Asari people as a whole should not be punished for the crimes of the few however.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
That is not desirable, and also quite hypocritical.

How is humanity being the first among equals not desirable? We're reducing the threat our alien rivals pose.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .

[darkchief10]

MisterJB wrote...

What exactly will punishing the Reapers bring us except some righteous satisfaction? Nothing, their technology can be better understood if they guide us through it. Not to mention they, as far as we know, are a neutral part as far as politics go.

Punishing the asari could pave the way for humanity to become the new dominant species in the galaxy.

You're Indoctirnated!!!

[bonzrobby]

I really don't think the Asari should be punished. I look at from the simple perspective. If you or I had a piece of technology or anything for that matter that gives you advantage of someone or something.
Why share that information when the advantage could be lost forever as result.
One more point the Alliance sat on the Prothean Archives for over 30 years and did not disclose any information from it until it was too late.

[psrz]

MisterJB wrote...

What exactly will punishing the Reapers bring us except some righteous satisfaction? Nothing, their technology can be better understood if they guide us through it. Not to mention they, as far as we know, are a neutral part as far as politics go.

It ends the cycle of countless civilizations being brutally oblitared. Billions of lifes severed. All that has been lost is on Reaper account. What any of those civilizations could have achieved has been lost as well.
Reapers are cancer. They pervert, consume and destroy. You have to remove the cancer completely. Reapers are hopeless and can't be reasoned with. Nothing like Asari.

[paul165]

Whilst I'm hardly a great fan of the Asari's actions during the war and would love for them to be sanctioned according to their own rules for withholding prothean tech I would argue that the Salarians are a far greater problem and would be willing to let things slide in favour of a united front against the Salarians who are likely to be expansionist post war given there is no longer any significant military or economic force to stop them.

Well unless you count Shepard!Catalyst depending on your intepretation of how involved he/she/it/they (pronoun trouble yay!) is involved in the daily life of the galaxy.

For me the top 5 list of problems (in Control ending anyway) run:

Shepard (what does it want and what is it willing to do to get it?)
Salarians (militarily and economically strong with political divisions shown by STG's defection that need unifying by an external threat. Also displays a disturbing fondness for sneak attacks and biological warfare)
Krogan (Even with Wrex and Eve they are still incredibly dangerous and Wrex isn't going to be around for ever)
Geth/Quarian alliance (The Quarians have a lot of hate towards the Council races and the Geth still have a big and advanced fleet. Not an immediate problem though)
Rachni (Almost no idea of their strength or intentions but they breed fast and have a highly intelligent hive mind. Long term they could be extremely problematic - or they could act to contain the Krogan).

[paul165]

Nyoka wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
That's very interesting. I thought you wanted to punish the Asari because they chose to watch Earth, Pallaven, Kahje, Dekuuna and Irune burn before giving up some political power.

Their selfishness causes me indignation and fury but I am more than capable of placing practical matters ahead of my emotions.

You're too furious, you should know you can only make peace with them. Putting the fury aside may be the hardest way, but it doesn't mean the attempt should not be made. The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech. It is inevitable. Mixing our DNA will them will ensure mutual understanding. It's the ideal solution.

"Mixing our DNA" - there is no mixing any children of Asari are Asari no matter how they tart it up. "The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech" - so that makes it alright for them to order noone else to do it does it?

The Asari might be regretably necessary but it doesn't mean we have to like the self righteous strippers.

[MisterJB]

psrz wrote...
It ends the cycle of countless civilizations being brutally oblitared. Billions of lifes severed. All that has been lost is on Reaper account. What any of those civilizations could have achieved has been lost as well.

And commiting genocide on the Reapers will somehow bring them back?
Quite the contrary, while the Reapers exist, the memories of those civilizations survive and there is always the possibiltiy we might be able to do something to help them one day.

 

Reapers are cancer. They pervert, consume and destroy. You have to remove the cancer completely. Reapers are hopeless and can't be reasoned with. Nothing like Asari.

Synthesis proves you wrong. Peace was achieved, they are helping rebuild and even giving us the knowledge needed to surpass our previous glory. Nothing like a cancer.

[MisterJB]

paul165 wrote...
"Mixing our DNA" - there is no mixing any children of Asari are Asari no matter how they tart it up. "The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech" - so that makes it alright for them to order noone else to do it does it?

The Asari might be regretably necessary but it doesn't mean we have to like the self righteous strippers.

She is trying to criticize Synthesis and me personally by having chosen it. That's all.

[paul165]

MisterJB wrote...

paul165 wrote...
"Mixing our DNA" - there is no mixing any children of Asari are Asari no matter how they tart it up. "The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech" - so that makes it alright for them to order noone else to do it does it?

The Asari might be regretably necessary but it doesn't mean we have to like the self righteous strippers.

She is trying to criticize Synthesis and me personally by having chosen it. That's all.

Ah.. my sarcasm meter must have failed - my apologies.

[tMc Tallgeese]

Punishing the Asari for withholding information from the Prothean beacon would be a step in the wrong direction. Every nation has secrets of its own. Consider some of the following before rendering judgement. I will use information from both the novels and the games to show that I believe it would only hurt civilization as a whole.

Humans have conducted illegal AI research during their short tenure on the galactic stage. This research program later led to Saren's discovery of Sovereign. While the book Mass Effect: Revelations does mention some sanctions levied, humanity was not severely punished for its clandestine research.

The Salarians have an unparalleled level of genetic research, that many other races know nothing about. As we saw in ME3, they were uplifting species like the Yahg without telling anyone because they sought to destabilize other governments to meet their own ends. Is it possible that some of their prowess in research is due to the Prothean beacon they uncovered? Yes. It is also possible that there are pieces of information contained within they kept themselves.

Turians have kept silent about weapons of mass destruction they installed on Tuchanka because they felt it would lead to harsh reprisals even if they were installed during a time of war as a deterrent to future conflict.

Quarians have not allowed any other species enter their fleet since they were first exiled from their home worlds. The one exception to this was Gillian Grayson and Hendel Mitra who were running from Cerberus and helped the Quarians defend the fleet against a strike team. The Quarians have been developing new weaponry, ship technology, and not following war treaties dictating the specifics on dreadnoughts. They most importantly decided to start another conflict with the Geth during a time of galactic instability and then ask for the Council races to bail them out.

Finally we must consider the Batarians who kept a working Reaper a secret all this time. The Batarians have let little to no information they've gathered since they found their beacon go out about their true level of technical prowess. This is stated many times in both the novels and in codex entries.

In closing, I'd just like to say that every nation has its secrets. Some to protect themselves, some to protect others. Punishing the Asari would only incur their wrath and that is something no one left in a war torn galaxy can afford. What is past is past and cannot be changed. It is left to the people in the future to decide how to regard the decisions of those before them.

[MisterJB]

Humanity has, quite possibly, made some strong allies in the krogans and the turians. Placed together, these species have reasons to wish to see the asari's grip on the galaxy loosen and the power to do so.

[TheBlackBaron]

I tend to view being forced to watch as 10,000 years of civilization, false superiority, and arrogance come crashing down around them as punishment enough.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Angry One wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Nope but the salarians should face trade sanctions for being dicks in the war.

See here's the problem with trying to impose sanctions on the only major world not to be ravaged by the Reapers.

They'd respond with this:

www.youtube.com/watch

No where is it ever stated they weren't savaged by the war in fact I seem to remember a Reaper sitting on Annos Basin on the galaxy map by the time you were about to go back to Earth.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

paul165 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
That's very interesting. I thought you wanted to punish the Asari because they chose to watch Earth, Pallaven, Kahje, Dekuuna and Irune burn before giving up some political power.

Their selfishness causes me indignation and fury but I am more than capable of placing practical matters ahead of my emotions.

You're too furious, you should know you can only make peace with them. Putting the fury aside may be the hardest way, but it doesn't mean the attempt should not be made. The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech. It is inevitable. Mixing our DNA will them will ensure mutual understanding. It's the ideal solution.

"Mixing our DNA" - there is no mixing any children of Asari are Asari no matter how they tart it up. "The Asari will always withhold Prothean tech" - so that makes it alright for them to order noone else to do it does it?

The Asari might be regretably necessary but it doesn't mean we have to like the self righteous strippers.

Everyone withholds tech. We've all got our secrets. The Alliance was working on AI tech on the moon ... er... VI tech. Everyone is doing stuff that they're not sharing with each other, including Prothean stuff. They'll share some just to show good will, but other stuff they won't.

All you humans are racists.

[Cor214]

I can see the Asari being looked down by other species like the Quarians were for the decisions made by their ancestors.

[Bleachrude]

I'm not sure the beacon actually HAD any information with regard to the crucible and the reapers...The asari DEFINITELY didn't know about the crucible since the prothean VI doesn't kick in unless you have the cipher or a prothean next to you....

Same thing about the reapers...the beacon on Mars doesn't have any information on the reapers so why assume the asari one does...

[garrusfan1]

Considering that peace would be more important then anything else after the reaper war I imagine it would be kept quiet so the galaxy could focus on rebuilding

[Ledgend1221]

That necro.
And yes they will be punished.

[luzburg]

if humanity had the same data cash il bet they would have kept it secret.