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[Rifneno]

Necrothreads are bad.

And yes. Severely.

[The Night Mammoth]

luzburg wrote...

if humanity had the same data cash il bet they would have kept it secret.

Conjecture, and that does not make it better. 

I guess stripping all those who knew about the beacon of any political power they have would be more than enough, all things considered. 

[Barquiel]

No, they shouldn't be punished. And my Shepard will help to ensure that they won't be punished.

And Necrothreads are indeed bad.

[schebobo]

@ OP **** please, the humans would have done the same thing.

[gisle]

The elite that kept it secret, yes. Though the guilt of the hundreds of millions, if not billions, of deaths on their homeworld is in itself punishment. The asari aren't creatures of quick action, and the Reaper war demanded it. Also, the beacon wasn't believed to hold relevant information, but it's a last effort out of desperacy to have Shepard seek it out.
    To blame all the ten or more asari individuals for it, no. Young asari believe what affects a percent of their population (Ardat-Yakshi) to be mere myth. Point being, they'll know even less than Liara about why the asari's technology is superior. I see some use this as motivation to establish human dominance. Yeah, moral high ground indeed. /sarcastic
    Besides, pointing fingers and trying to seize power over others isn't the way to best recover from this brutal war.

Punishment for thread necromancy, however, I agree with.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 31 décembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[Rifneno]

schebobo wrote...

@ OP **** please, the humans would have done the same thing.

This thread has been enlightening.  I had no idea how many people thought that two wrongs made a right.  Let alone hypothetical wrongs.

OJ got away with murder, so therefor we should stop punishing killers.  Makes total sense!

[gisle]

Rifneno wrote...

schebobo wrote...

@ OP **** please, the humans would have done the same thing.

This thread has been enlightening.  I had no idea how many people thought that two wrongs made a right.  Let alone hypothetical wrongs.

OJ got away with murder, so therefor we should stop punishing killers.  Makes total sense!

There's more posts in the tone of...
He got away with murder, so there we shall conquer the country he came from, for the sake of ensuring more power to ourselves.

[SNascimento]

Of course.

Asari are filth, just filth.

[The Night Mammoth]

SNascimento wrote...

Of course.

Asari are filth, just filth.

[legion999]

Yes. Though I think everyone should a big slap for being morons. The Asari deserve two though, one being a backhand.

[legion999]

schebobo wrote...

@ OP **** please, the humans would have done the same thing.

Yeah about that, does anyone remember the very beginning of Mass Effect? You know when humans found a beacon on Eden Prime and then told the Council about it? Good times.

[WhiteKnyght]

QuanManChu wrote...

Look at Topic. And discuss. I personally think that though the desicion was made ages ago...they still had plenty of opportunities to share with the rest of the Galactic community post Me1.

Yes. The Asari formed the Council with the Salarians and arguably helped form all the laws of Citadel space. But their actions literally amount to 'do as I say, not as I do' which doesn't work in politics. All their knowledge, all their progress, all of their diplomacy is all a lie. Everything they've attained has for 50,000 years been because of the Protheans holding their hand and them being sneaky. They're no different than the Hanar. Worshipping the Protheans as gods.

Not to mention there's the bigger fact. For the last several thousand years, they've had access to irrefutable proof of the Reapers' existence and the means to stop them and they did NOTHING until their own asses were on the line. If the Asari had been more forthcoming from the beginning, the galaxy's scientists could have discovered Vendetta, got his warnings, and had the Crucible built and ready to go by the time the Reapers arrived. Then arguably nobody would have had to die.

They deserved to lose Thessia.

[Barquiel]

The asari should be rewarded! If they'd revealed the beacon sooner, Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it (Tevos sent Shepard because it was dangerous). The beacon only activated once Shepard was near it.

Shepard doesn't retrieve the beacon -> the vendetta VI would never have activated -> we never learn that the catalyst is in fact the Citadel > the crucible is useless -> the reapers win.

The selfishness of the matriarchs saved the galaxy!

[Ledgend1221]

Barquiel wrote...

The asari should be rewarded! If they'd revealed the beacon sooner, Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it (Tevos sent Shepard because it was dangerous). The beacon only activated once Shepard was near it.

Shepard doesn't retrieve the beacon -> the vendetta VI would never have activated -> we never learn that the catalyst is in fact the Citadel > the crucible is useless -> the reapers win.

The selfishness of the matriarchs saved the galaxy!

Nope.
They witheld vital information for months during the war, not to mention the many years before that.
Besides maybe if the Asari had actual commandoes instead of strippers, there would be enough bodies to throw at the reapers.

[Barquiel]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The asari should be rewarded! If they'd revealed the beacon sooner, Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it (Tevos sent Shepard because it was dangerous). The beacon only activated once Shepard was near it.

Shepard doesn't retrieve the beacon -> the vendetta VI would never have activated -> we never learn that the catalyst is in fact the Citadel > the crucible is useless -> the reapers win.

The selfishness of the matriarchs saved the galaxy!

Nope.
They witheld vital information for months during the war, not to mention the many years before that.
Besides maybe if the Asari had actual commandoes instead of strippers, there would be enough bodies to throw at the reapers.

They didn't have any vital information because they couldn't activate the beacon.

The vendetta VI says this. Shepard says this. Javik says this. EDI says this.

[Ledgend1221]

Barquiel wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The asari should be rewarded! If they'd revealed the beacon sooner, Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it (Tevos sent Shepard because it was dangerous). The beacon only activated once Shepard was near it.

Shepard doesn't retrieve the beacon -> the vendetta VI would never have activated -> we never learn that the catalyst is in fact the Citadel > the crucible is useless -> the reapers win.

The selfishness of the matriarchs saved the galaxy!

Nope.
They witheld vital information for months during the war, not to mention the many years before that.
Besides maybe if the Asari had actual commandoes instead of strippers, there would be enough bodies to throw at the reapers.

They didn't have any vital information because they couldn't activate the beacon.

The vendetta VI says this. Shepard says this. Javik says this. EDI says this.

They witheld a prothean beacon.
Punishible by death in the empire.

[Rifneno]

Barquiel wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The asari should be rewarded! If they'd revealed the beacon sooner, Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it (Tevos sent Shepard because it was dangerous). The beacon only activated once Shepard was near it.

Shepard doesn't retrieve the beacon -> the vendetta VI would never have activated -> we never learn that the catalyst is in fact the Citadel > the crucible is useless -> the reapers win.

The selfishness of the matriarchs saved the galaxy!

Nope.
They witheld vital information for months during the war, not to mention the many years before that.
Besides maybe if the Asari had actual commandoes instead of strippers, there would be enough bodies to throw at the reapers.

They didn't have any vital information because they couldn't activate the beacon.

The vendetta VI says this. Shepard says this. Javik says this. EDI says this.

A dead Prothean didn't appear and start chatting them up, no.  That definitely does not mean that they didn't get any information out of the beacon.  The fact that the asari councilor is willing to give up her people's greatest secret to Shepard (who could be a total racist ******) is a pretty big red flag that they knew something about the Reapers or Crucible from that beacon.

[gisle]

Vendetta VI had the information relevant to the Reapers. A prothean is needed to unlock it, or the prothean Cipher. It was made 50k years ago, and only 2.5-3 years before the Reaper war did anyone find the Cipher. Secondly, it doesn't say 'prothean required' or 'insert cipher'. The reaction to it was a surprise. If not Shepard, Shiala or Javik had gone there, they might never have found Vendetta.

The average asari is as involved as James Vega, though.

Rifneno wrote...

A dead Prothean didn't appear and start
chatting them up, no.  That definitely does not mean that they didn't
get any information out of the beacon.  The fact that the asari
councilor is willing to give up her people's greatest secret to Shepard
(who could be a total racist ******) is a pretty big red flag that they
knew something about the Reapers or Crucible from that beacon.

Wrong. "With any luck, it contains the means to locate the catalyst," Tevos said herself. 'Luck' being the keyword It is merely an act of desperation when their the Reapers had sent forces to Thessia and "it is getting urgent": And the 'they' is "highest level of my government," according to Clr. Tevos.

Tech that would give your species an edge? Even the selfless honorable turians would have kept that one for themselves, were they given the chance. It is wrong, of course, but none would hold doing it above themselves. Double standards, you know.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 31 décembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Barquiel]

Rifneno wrote...

A dead Prothean didn't appear and start chatting them up, no.  That definitely does not mean that they didn't get any information out of the beacon.  The fact that the asari councilor is willing to give up her people's greatest secret to Shepard (who could be a total racist ******) is a pretty big red flag that they knew something about the Reapers or Crucible from that beacon.

We don't know if they got anything out of the beacon. EDI tells Liara she would have needed Shepard's cipher to comprehend the beacon. Tevos certainly had no idea what was inside it either (she was just informed by the matriarchs). We also know the VI is activated for the first time. And if they could have gotten anything out of the beacon, how could they possibly not know about the extremely advanced anti-Reaper VI inside it? The vendetta VI seemed to be the crucial function of the beacon. I think the matriarchs were desperate and hoped it might somehow be useful for the crucible.

[Zazzerka]

Should the Asari Government face some type of punishment for withholding Prothean Tech?

IDGAF

[Liamv2]

No we would need to pick up the pieces after the reaper war

[kalasaurus]

chibilombax wrote...

I think having their race nearly wiped out was a fair punishment.

I agree with this 6 month old post ^^^

They definitely learned their lesson.

[goofyomnivore]

It should be known that their hypocrisy cost the galaxy many lives. However their government officials should be punished not their race. I wouldn't want to see all of humanity punished for Cerberus war crimes.

[Rifneno]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

Tech that would give your species an edge? Even the selfless honorable turians would have kept that one for themselves, were they given the chance. It is wrong, of course, but none would hold doing it above themselves. Double standards, you know.

I find it incredible that people are still clinging to this completely ridiculous argument even after, as someone pointed out: the first thing the Alliance did after finding the Eden Prime beacon was alert the Council.

The asari government committed one of the highest order of crimes in Council law.  They should have to pay the price.  Specifically, everyone who knew about that beacon before the war should have to pay the ultimate price.

[Rifneno]

Oh hey, remember when Sonax Industries was found to be hiding Prothean relics and the Council sent spectres to assassinate them? Oh, but it's okay when the space lesbians do it and cost billions of lives.