nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
In a way they did, they said that the breath scene was indeed Shep living and that the crew ould eventually find him and your story would continue however you saw fit.Taboo-XX wrote...
I didn't need anything when I saw the scene myself. I understood it as I chose to.
Others do not. I really wish Bioware would comment on the issue.
Taboo-XX wrote...
You don't need to be spoon fed everything.
Modifié par element eater, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:02 .
zigamortis wrote...
Just like they said that their would be 16 drasticaly different endings right? or that they wouldnt be adding another ending? Ohh and please explain to me where the IT evedence doesnt really point to it. i would really like to know how stupid and bullheaded you are to just say ohh no i see blue but im going to tell them orange because im to proud to admit im wrong.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
No. what is obvious is that bioware or ea or both want to keep the game series going and they want a possible kickoff point to do so. all it is is a halfass cop out to making a real ending. face it, it isnt clear as to he survives or not.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
If shepard actualy got up from the london rubble, maby. but since there is just a shuddering breath it doesnt mean that he or she will survive or make it back to his crew due to the imense injurys. So no it isnt clear and it is not obvious that he will ever see anyone again.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
@nicocap
I have no grudge with bioware. i am a little mad at them but no grudge. i do not trust them. but no grudge. And their is no end to destroy. they don't make it clear enough to be an end. they did not show Shepards intentions for after the game nor his crew mates. its a big. fat. smelly. cliffhanger.
How is it not clear enough? The Normandy scene plus the breath scene make it absolutely clear that they will reunite.
Again, that scene would not be there if it didn't mean that he's gonna survive. It is obvious.
And once again if you bring up the "the scene wouldnt be there" arguement one more time than your just confirming that you believe in the indocrination theory.
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Yes i insulted you. i have a short temper when dealing with people who are overly proud and stuborn. and their is to much evidence for the Indoctrination theory for you to truely just say "ohh it was never ever intended" and no it does not indicate that shepard will survive. what it indicates is that shepard is waking up in the london rubble.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Just like they said that their would be 16 drasticaly different endings right? or that they wouldnt be adding another ending? Ohh and please explain to me where the IT evedence doesnt really point to it. i would really like to know how stupid and bullheaded you are to just say ohh no i see blue but im going to tell them orange because im to proud to admit im wrong.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
No. what is obvious is that bioware or ea or both want to keep the game series going and they want a possible kickoff point to do so. all it is is a halfass cop out to making a real ending. face it, it isnt clear as to he survives or not.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
If shepard actualy got up from the london rubble, maby. but since there is just a shuddering breath it doesnt mean that he or she will survive or make it back to his crew due to the imense injurys. So no it isnt clear and it is not obvious that he will ever see anyone again.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
@nicocap
I have no grudge with bioware. i am a little mad at them but no grudge. i do not trust them. but no grudge. And their is no end to destroy. they don't make it clear enough to be an end. they did not show Shepards intentions for after the game nor his crew mates. its a big. fat. smelly. cliffhanger.
How is it not clear enough? The Normandy scene plus the breath scene make it absolutely clear that they will reunite.
Again, that scene would not be there if it didn't mean that he's gonna survive. It is obvious.
And once again if you bring up the "the scene wouldnt be there" arguement one more time than your just confirming that you believe in the indocrination theory.
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
It's nice to see we're starting with the insults. There is nothing to in the game to indicate that IT was intended. Nothing. In the current destroy ending, everything indicates that Shepard will survive and reunite with the crew.
iakus wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Then why not show Shepard surviving? You know, standing, walking, resting is a hospital? Not artsy enough?
Khran1505 wrote...
I understood this was the case the moment I watched it. It made no sense why Shepard would wake up in rubble after the Citadel was rebuilt (which probably took freaking years to). It makes sense they went with this narrative to build the suspense.
zigamortis wrote...
Yes i insulted you. i have a short temper when dealing with people who are overly proud and stuborn. and their is to much evidence for the Indoctrination theory for you to truely just say "ohh it was never ever intended" and no it does not indicate that shepard will survive. what it indicates is that shepard is waking up in the london rubble.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Just like they said that their would be 16 drasticaly different endings right? or that they wouldnt be adding another ending? Ohh and please explain to me where the IT evedence doesnt really point to it. i would really like to know how stupid and bullheaded you are to just say ohh no i see blue but im going to tell them orange because im to proud to admit im wrong.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
No. what is obvious is that bioware or ea or both want to keep the game series going and they want a possible kickoff point to do so. all it is is a halfass cop out to making a real ending. face it, it isnt clear as to he survives or not.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
If shepard actualy got up from the london rubble, maby. but since there is just a shuddering breath it doesnt mean that he or she will survive or make it back to his crew due to the imense injurys. So no it isnt clear and it is not obvious that he will ever see anyone again.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
@nicocap
I have no grudge with bioware. i am a little mad at them but no grudge. i do not trust them. but no grudge. And their is no end to destroy. they don't make it clear enough to be an end. they did not show Shepards intentions for after the game nor his crew mates. its a big. fat. smelly. cliffhanger.
How is it not clear enough? The Normandy scene plus the breath scene make it absolutely clear that they will reunite.
Again, that scene would not be there if it didn't mean that he's gonna survive. It is obvious.
And once again if you bring up the "the scene wouldnt be there" arguement one more time than your just confirming that you believe in the indocrination theory.
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
It's nice to see we're starting with the insults. There is nothing to in the game to indicate that IT was intended. Nothing. In the current destroy ending, everything indicates that Shepard will survive and reunite with the crew.
Yea, I don't think too many people don't believe Shepard lives. But for me personally, I actually wanted to see him and Miranda in the same scene. And yes, I know that would require an in-engine cutscene, but hey, I freakin' wanted it. But I guess I have to make that up....somehow, I have to make up Shepard's rescue, his recovery, his first sight of Miranda....lame...OchreJelly wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
There is no reason to show that scene other than to imply that Shepard will survive and get out of there.
As far as I've seen, most people *do* totally understand this scene (there really are not many other ways to take it.) They just wanted something more definitive. There's a million ways to go from Shepard taking a breath in rubble to a reunion with crew/lover.
Seeing as how speculation bit them in the arse with the original endings to the game, I think most people expected more closure with that endgame plot point, not just the same scene rehashed with different implications thanks to the Normandy taking off.
I can't imagine there's that many people who desperately wanted to imagine a reunion vs. seeing it. Bioware could have easily kept it simple while still showing it, so that we can imagine everything after that.
Well if shepard wakes up and gets up i would have and even bigger HOLY **** HES ALIVE moment. Y'know surviving a huge explosion in which he was standing in the middle of, the vacume of space, lack of oxygen, and atmospheric re-entry and planetary impact at a speed of around 30miles persecond is ****ing imposible.nicocap24 wrote...
iakus wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Then why not show Shepard surviving? You know, standing, walking, resting is a hospital? Not artsy enough?
The inteded impact is "holy sh*t, he's alive". A longer cutscene would take that away. Let me go back to Taxi Driver. If we saw Travis getting out of the cab and killing whoever he saw on the mirror, the scene would lose its impact. If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what I'm talking about, here's the last scene: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6-XZXUc0U
All you need to know is that the guy just went on a killing spree because he hated "the scum of the streets". See how he looks in the mirror? That indicates he's gonna do it again.
Why because i believe that evedence should add up to something that makes sence as oposed to shepard being invulnerable. Btw if hes invulnerable how does he look so beat up after getting hit by harby?nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Yes i insulted you. i have a short temper when dealing with people who are overly proud and stuborn. and their is to much evidence for the Indoctrination theory for you to truely just say "ohh it was never ever intended" and no it does not indicate that shepard will survive. what it indicates is that shepard is waking up in the london rubble.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Just like they said that their would be 16 drasticaly different endings right? or that they wouldnt be adding another ending? Ohh and please explain to me where the IT evedence doesnt really point to it. i would really like to know how stupid and bullheaded you are to just say ohh no i see blue but im going to tell them orange because im to proud to admit im wrong.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
No. what is obvious is that bioware or ea or both want to keep the game series going and they want a possible kickoff point to do so. all it is is a halfass cop out to making a real ending. face it, it isnt clear as to he survives or not.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
If shepard actualy got up from the london rubble, maby. but since there is just a shuddering breath it doesnt mean that he or she will survive or make it back to his crew due to the imense injurys. So no it isnt clear and it is not obvious that he will ever see anyone again.nicocap24 wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
@nicocap
I have no grudge with bioware. i am a little mad at them but no grudge. i do not trust them. but no grudge. And their is no end to destroy. they don't make it clear enough to be an end. they did not show Shepards intentions for after the game nor his crew mates. its a big. fat. smelly. cliffhanger.
How is it not clear enough? The Normandy scene plus the breath scene make it absolutely clear that they will reunite.
Again, that scene would not be there if it didn't mean that he's gonna survive. It is obvious.
And once again if you bring up the "the scene wouldnt be there" arguement one more time than your just confirming that you believe in the indocrination theory.
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
It's nice to see we're starting with the insults. There is nothing to in the game to indicate that IT was intended. Nothing. In the current destroy ending, everything indicates that Shepard will survive and reunite with the crew.
You just saw the galaxy being rebuilt in a span of years. Let me guess, that's all part of his dream in London, right?
And I'm overly proud and stubborn...
WhereEternityEnds wrote...
There's nothing to "understand" about the breath scene. It's open ended and therefore, is not suitable for the end of a freakin trilogy. I invested too many years into this series to walk away "imagining" what Shepard "could" be doing after he spends about a year in the hospital recovering from God knows what. It is a total cop out. Shepard deserves, at the very least, more closure than that.
zigamortis wrote...
Why because i believe that evedence should add up to something that makes sence as oposed to shepard being invulnerable. Btw if hes invulnerable how does he look so beat up after getting hit by harby?nicocap24 wrote...
You just saw the galaxy being rebuilt in a span of years. Let me guess, that's all part of his dream in London, right?
And I'm overly proud and stubborn...
Pyramid?sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Why because i believe that evedence should add up to something that makes sence as oposed to shepard being invulnerable. Btw if hes invulnerable how does he look so beat up after getting hit by harby?nicocap24 wrote...
You just saw the galaxy being rebuilt in a span of years. Let me guess, that's all part of his dream in London, right?
And I'm overly proud and stubborn...
Doing this to kill the pyramid that will get the thread locked.
D24O wrote...
While I understand what they're trying to do, I feel the "sigh of relief" you talk about isn't conveyed well at all. They would've been better off having a slide of Shepard's hospital room, maybe with the LI waiting outside to visit. IMO that would've had the same "make your own reunion" effect, but without the annoying vagueness that the breath scene and the original endings had.
What pyramid!?!?!?!?!??!sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
zigamortis wrote...
Why because i believe that evedence should add up to something that makes sence as oposed to shepard being invulnerable. Btw if hes invulnerable how does he look so beat up after getting hit by harby?nicocap24 wrote...
You just saw the galaxy being rebuilt in a span of years. Let me guess, that's all part of his dream in London, right?
And I'm overly proud and stubborn...
Doing this to kill the pyramid that will get the thread locked.
Guest_Sion1138_*
nicocap24 wrote...
iakus wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Then why not show Shepard surviving? You know, standing, walking, resting is a hospital? Not artsy enough?
The inteded impact is "holy sh*t, he's alive". A longer cutscene would take that away. Let me go back to Taxi Driver. If we saw Travis getting out of the cab and killing whoever he saw on the mirror, the scene would lose its impact. If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what I'm talking about, here's the last scene: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6-XZXUc0U
All you need to know is that the guy just went on a killing spree because he hated "the scum of the streets". See how he looks in the mirror? That indicates he's gonna do it again.
That would definatly be cool if he was on the citadel.Sion1138 wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
iakus wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Then why not show Shepard surviving? You know, standing, walking, resting is a hospital? Not artsy enough?
The inteded impact is "holy sh*t, he's alive". A longer cutscene would take that away. Let me go back to Taxi Driver. If we saw Travis getting out of the cab and killing whoever he saw on the mirror, the scene would lose its impact. If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what I'm talking about, here's the last scene: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6-XZXUc0U
All you need to know is that the guy just went on a killing spree because he hated "the scum of the streets". See how he looks in the mirror? That indicates he's gonna do it again.
Imagine, the camera racing through the ravaged streets of the Citadel, entering a room, coming around and stopping at the foot of a doorstep. Then, suddenly, you hear footsteps as an injured man comes into view. Perhaps the odd drop of blood on the floor.
The camera pans upwards, slowly, and you are left with an image of the Commander, leaning against the wall, looking out at the horizon. The view is marred by imagery of destruction, but uspet still by the majesty of the stars.
Sion1138 wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
iakus wrote...
nicocap24 wrote...
If you look at the scenes that supposedly point to IT, it's clear that they don't intend to. It's also clear that this intends to show that Shepard will survive. And there's not gonna be any more games with Shepard, it's been said countless times.
Then why not show Shepard surviving? You know, standing, walking, resting is a hospital? Not artsy enough?
The inteded impact is "holy sh*t, he's alive". A longer cutscene would take that away. Let me go back to Taxi Driver. If we saw Travis getting out of the cab and killing whoever he saw on the mirror, the scene would lose its impact. If you haven't seen the movie and don't know what I'm talking about, here's the last scene: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6-XZXUc0U
All you need to know is that the guy just went on a killing spree because he hated "the scum of the streets". See how he looks in the mirror? That indicates he's gonna do it again.
Imagine, the camera racing through the ravaged streets of the Citadel, entering a room, coming around and stopping at the foot of a doorstep. Then, suddenly, you hear footsteps as an injured man comes into view. Perhaps the odd drop of blood on the floor.
The camera pans upwards, slowly, and you are left with an image of the Commander, leaning against the wall, looking out at the horizon. The view is marred by imagery of destruction, but uspet still by the majesty of the stars.
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