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[JA Shepard]

I'm not big destroy fan so I wasn't bothered too much and I was happy with the EC overall. I do think, however, they could've given people a little more though if the implication is that Shepard lives. In fact, the omission of that personal defibrillator sound that they added to the scene where Shepard snaps awake on the Citadel leads me to believe that Shepard does die in the breath scene. If that sound was there, it would have been case closed:Shepard lives. Now,whether by accident or design, there's a piece of evidence that we saw Shepard's last breath.

[Rolenka]

Well, duh. I thought it was obvious the breath took place immediately after the redsplosion. It's inferred Shep continues breathing until the Normandy returns for a rescue -- though they should have made this a lot clearer.

JA Shepard wrote...

I'm not big destroy fan so I wasn't
bothered too much and I was happy with the EC overall. I do think,
however, they could've given people a little more though if the
implication is that Shepard lives. In fact, the omission of that
personal defibrillator sound that they added to the scene where Shepard
snaps awake on the Citadel leads me to believe that Shepard does die in
the breath scene. If that sound was there, it would have been case
closed:Shepard lives. Now,whether by accident or design, there's a piece
of evidence that we saw Shepard's last breath.

Wha? When does Shep get shocked back to life on the Citadel?

Modifié par Rolenka, 01 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .

[3DandBeyond]

Rolenka wrote...

Well, duh. I thought it was obvious the breath took place immediately after the redsplosion. It's inferred Shep continues breathing until the Normandy returns for a rescue -- though they should have made this a lot clearer.

JA Shepard wrote...

I'm not big destroy fan so I wasn't
bothered too much and I was happy with the EC overall. I do think,
however, they could've given people a little more though if the
implication is that Shepard lives. In fact, the omission of that
personal defibrillator sound that they added to the scene where Shepard
snaps awake on the Citadel leads me to believe that Shepard does die in
the breath scene. If that sound was there, it would have been case
closed:Shepard lives. Now,whether by accident or design, there's a piece
of evidence that we saw Shepard's last breath.

Wha? When does Shep get shocked back to life on the Citadel?

There's an odd sound effect (metallic sounding to me) that occurs after Shepard gets vomited out by the Conduit on the Citadel-Shepard snaps awake as the sound occurs.

By the way, I was never a fan of Destroy myself-never a fan of any choice at all, but as I thought more and more about it, listened to what EDI and Shepard discussed, and then with the EC saw the other options again, I came to understand it more.  The only reason they threw in the EDI and geth die thing is so that it would not be the easy canon ending, but in some ways it still is.  Not because Shepard lives, but because it carries out the goal-the thing Shepard's been after since the beginning and it is the one choice of them all that allows and forces people to stand on their own.  Even the bad consequences of it are part of this.

The other 2 choices-S and C, create artificial circumstances that mean people do not learn what they know or do not need to learn it.  In both cases they are given everything.  Synthesis-gives them knowledge, advancement, supposed perfection without people earning it and it even forces it upon many that probably wouldn't want it.  It can have long term dire consequences-immortality with a population explosion.  A solution then would need to be created to fix that-does that sound familiar?  Control-the reapers as fixit men and galaxy cops.  No problem there, except that means people do not have to ever learn to make any tech advancement ever again-let a reaper do it.  And I can envision people really not wanting reapers in the galaxy let alone on their planet.

Reject is a fun choice for what Shepard gets to say, but it's not a real choice as it was done.  It just says let someone else decide.  Game over. FU.

Destroy becomes more the logical choice for me.  Not everyone, but for me.  I hate the price they make you pay for it and as I said it's not just the idea that Shepard lives.  It fulfills the main goal and is the only choice that had any kind of consent to it.  Even killing the geth as awful as I think that is, means the quarians will have to fend for themselves.  The whole galaxy has gotten complacent, relied on reaper tech too much and when anyone wanted to develop something new-learning to make a relay for instance, they were told no, it wasn't necessary.  Well, with no reapers and no working reaper tech, they will have to learn a lot of things for themselves.  Even the keepers might be gone (hallelujah).

[Taboo]

Well, it's nice to see we're entertaining discussion, and healthy discussion at that.

I'm working on a project for the people who weren't...satisfied with what he have now.

More later. Let me get some people together. People I trust.

[Peranor]

People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

[Taboo]

anorling wrote...


People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

Go watch a Michael Haneke film.

You don't even see the violence.

All of the horrible, horrible, gory violence.

[devSin]

3DandBeyond wrote...

There's an odd sound effect (metallic sounding to me) that occurs after Shepard gets vomited out by the Conduit on the Citadel-Shepard snaps awake as the sound occurs.

I think it's just Shepard exhaling, but it's got some odd environmental effects applied to it that make it sound strange.

Sort of like how Liara and the scene in the ducts on Mars sounds different, or how the one pilot trapped under the beam has that savage scream when you lift it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to it, but sometimes the audio processing does give funky results like this.

[EnforcerWRX7]

I thought this was obvious. I am more confused about why this post was created.

Do you really think people didn't get that? Fair enough if you didn't. That's why the plaque scene doesn't end in the destroy ending.

Its EA/Bioware's wildcard in case they ever want to revive the series. This series is a goldmine and they know it. Even though the ending was awful and poorly written, ME4 would sell like hotcakes.

Modifié par EnforcerWRX7, 02 juillet 2012 - 12:26 .

[N-Seven]

zambot wrote...

AscalonD wrote...

I don't know, I am still confused and somewhat hurt over the endings, it's like date rape by someone you love, but they made it up by taking you to dinner, and then banging you again. It's like... I don't know how to describe it

GD, there is nothing at all like rape in the ME3 endings.  Not this.  Not synthesis.  
Jeezus stop comparing it to rape already. Do you actually know anyone who has been raped before? This is insulting as all hell.  

This +1.

[Reptilian Rob]

3DandBeyond wrote...
I like my pop with ice in it, some like it warm.

I read that as "I like poop with ice in it."

[Taboo]

For the people still having issues...

Let me draw up plans for the project I'm working on and I'll get back to you whenever I plan to come back from my condo.

A week I suppose. But I should have internet access, so I can still bother the BSN.

[SparkyRich]

devSin wrote...

The problem is that the scene is reinforced by nothing that occurs previous. If one thing in the prior stream had made note of it, I think it would have been fine.

A near carcass shifting in some unidentifiable rubble is meaningless when everything else neglects it. The epilogue speech makes no mention of Shepard's survival. The squad somehow has heard that Anderson is dead but hasn't heard that Shepard is alive, meaning Shepard's body still hasn't been found by the time the Normandy is ready to depart the planet. And we see nothing that tells us what actually happens to Shepard.

I think this scene was created simply to convey that Shepard didn't die in the explosion. It says nothing as to whether Shepard actually lives, and that's what was needed for the extended cut.

Ok, so.  They're all standing at the Memorial Wall and Tali's fiddling with the plaque with Shepard's name on it.  If that "breath" scene occured earlier, you are known to be alive and are in a hospital somewhere and unable to be in any of the end sequence clips, why did they make a plaque with Shepard's name on it to place on that wall?  Unless you died between the two events.  In which case Liara smiling while holding the plaque is out of place.

I get that it's an old trick to build suspense, but that doesn't make it less stupid.

Modifié par SparkyRich, 02 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[zigamortis]

Taboo-XX wrote...

anorling wrote...


People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

Go watch a Michael Haneke film.

You don't even see the violence.

All of the horrible, horrible, gory violence.

Thats different and you should know it. people play games for one of 3 things. 1. for the story. 2. for the gameplay. ad 3. for the multiplayer. to take away the most important parts of the story, the ending, and leave it up to the player is just plain wrong. i wouldnt read an incomplete book that wants me to finish it. its the writers job, not mine.

[devSin]

SparkyRich wrote...

Ok, so.  They're all standing at the Memorial Wall and Tali's fiddling with the plaque with Shepard's name on it.  If that "breath" scene occured earlier, you are known to be alive and are in a hospital somewhere and unable to be in any of the end sequence clips, why did they make a plaque with Shepard's name on it to place on that wall?  Unless you died between the two events.  In which case Liara smiling while holding the plaque is out of place.

The breath, not the memorial.

The memorial could have easily been taking your name off the wall, and then the Normandy departing to reunite with you.

You see and think "What the heck is going on here?" Then you see the breath scene, and now you know that the Normandy knows you're alive and is coming for you.

It doesn't mean putting the breath scene somewhere else in the sequence. It just means reinforcing it and acknowledging it somewhere.

Others have suggested an even more simple fix—when the screen cuts to black, right before the credits, you hear audio of a voice over a radio "We've found Commander Shepard!" And roll credits.

Now you know that Shepard is alive, not just implied but actually as part of the story. Shepard lives.

Modifié par devSin, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:37 .

[3DandBeyond]

Taboo-XX wrote...

anorling wrote...


People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

Go watch a Michael Haneke film.

You don't even see the violence.

All of the horrible, horrible, gory violence.

Ha, how about David Lynch?  Ever see Eraserhead?  Speculation for everyone!!!  As to meaning.  Otherwise, oatmeal baby and erasers from a head.  Dancing food.

Funny thing is growing up all I ever heard was use your imagination (I'm getting old) and I'm fine with that.  I love stories that don't show you every gritty detail-horror stories today to me are not, they are just blood fests.  I prefer ghost stories of old (like the original The Haunting) that never show anything-scared the hell out of me.  The newer remake was laughable and tried to show a lot.

But, as you know I personally am not talking about every minute detail, but a real hello between Shep and friends and a chance to say goodbye and thanks for all the fish.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[Taboo]

Cheese is the reason David Lynch made Inland Empire.

He'd love to tell you about it.

Wait and see what I propose when I get back from vacation.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 02 juillet 2012 - 02:57 .

[Iakus]

devSin wrote....

Others have suggested an even more simple fix—when the screen cuts to black, right before the credits, you hear audio of a voice over a radio "We've found Commander Shepard!" And roll credits.

Now you know that Shepard is alive, not just implied but actually as part of the story. Shepard lives.

Another idea that's much, much better than what we got!

[3DandBeyond]

N-Seven wrote...

zambot wrote...

AscalonD wrote...

I don't know, I am still confused and somewhat hurt over the endings, it's like date rape by someone you love, but they made it up by taking you to dinner, and then banging you again. It's like... I don't know how to describe it

GD, there is nothing at all like rape in the ME3 endings.  Not this.  Not synthesis.  
Jeezus stop comparing it to rape already. Do you actually know anyone who has been raped before? This is insulting as all hell.  

This +1.

Ok, I am tired of people speaking for people like me so I will reveal this.  Actually, yes. I have-raped by an older adult male relative when I was younger into my teens.  And rape is not specifically a term meaning sexual assault.  It was a word that originally didn't have anything to do with sexual assault but it meant plunder by force.  In the modern era it began being applied to sexual assaults but has also been used very frequently for things such as the rape of the land, mind rape, and so on.  Rape is not a legal term, it is an applied term.  Assault of a sexual nature is Criminal Sexual Conduct or Assault or some other terminology in varying degrees to describe the actual act committed.

The invasion of another person's body without their consent and especially the introduction of something foreign into their body without consent is a form of rape, or violation or assault.  If a doctor implanted something in you surgically without your permission or against your will that is an illegal act if it isn't say some emergency or lifesaving measure.  There are people in ME that didn't even want tech implants so what do you think they think about being synthesized?

Because of my past and what happened I would find Synthesis an invasion of my person, something done against my will.  And personally I like being a human being just as I am.  In fact in many ways I am incredibly shocked at the lack of foresight that went into these choices (in a game) and the implications they have.  As it is synthesis is also pretty stupid.  The kid makes a generalization that organics seek perfection through technology.  That sentence has so much wrong in it as to be ridiculous.

[TheDarkStorm13]

I just read this online: 
http://www.gameranx....-it-s-official/

One thing that wasn't fully addressed was the survival of Shepard, who dies in most of the endings but appears to survive in the "Destroy" (or red) ending choice. Shepard's body can be seen moving amidst the wreckage at the end of the cinematic. 

Tully Ackland, a community coordinator for BioWare addressed questions regarding Shepard's death and confirmed that he or she in fact lives at the end, provided that the player chooses the "Destroy" ending. 

He writes: "You may notice that in the 'Shepard lives' ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together."

While it's nice to receive a confirmation on Shepard's survival, it raises questions as to which of the endings will be codified into the Mass Effect canon, and whether future adventures await Shepard. 

Modifié par TheDarkStorm13, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:25 .

[squee365]

anorling wrote...


People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

You should play Half-Life 2. 

You would hate it. 

[3DandBeyond]

squee365 wrote...

anorling wrote...


People wanting to see things? In a video game?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

What's next? People asking to have letters in their books?

You should play Half-Life 2. 

You would hate it. 

I did play it and liked it-big difference still.  Great game and some great characters, but not on the same level at all as this.  And there were games that came after-there was also talk of a Half life 3 IIRC, but don't know what happened as to that.  I got the Orange Box version.

[zigamortis]

Hl3 is suposed to come out at some point though. commander shepard is over.

[3DandBeyond]

zigamortis wrote...

Hl3 is suposed to come out at some point though. commander shepard is over.

That is exactly the point.  H2 wasn't meant to be the end.  Bioware has repeatedly told us basically to stuff it Shepard's story is over.  Well, I'll say it again then, I wanted to say goodbye face to face with an alive human Shepard.

[elitehunter34]

Forgive me for being blunt, but what is the point of this thread? Taboo has no evidence that is actually true. Taboo's only evidence is that Bioware's done it before. That doesn't prove anything. You're going to need more evidence than that to convince me you're right. I mean maybe it has happened, maybe it hasn't, but who cares?

Modifié par elitehunter34, 02 juillet 2012 - 03:29 .

[Lone hero]

MystEU wrote...

Shepard walks into the implied sunset for that particular ending. That's good enough for me, along with the placement in the narrative, especially since the endings finally feel like you've actually "won." The presentation of each ending also better illustrates what line you have to cross to achieve victory. Each one is something else with its own downside. The EC execution makes that so much better.

I hate to burst your bubble but um this has been done before in a series finale, for example in the inheritance cycle, then ending while basically spoiled at the beginning of the cycle, is still open ended, things are left unexplained, and we very might well see what exactly happens to shaepard if we picked destroy in the next game set in the ME universe, as ME3 was the end of shepards story, that chapter is closed and there's still new avenues to explore in the universe. As well there are most likely dozens of other examples i'm neglectful of that have done exactly this.

Modifié par Lone hero, 02 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .