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[Mcfly616]

The images of the of the Citadel and Relays are a vision of what will occur in the future.....its just foreshadowing while Hackett is narrating


So yes Taboo....you're correct about the chronological order

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

This reminds me of conversations I have with my mother. 

You don't need to be spoon fed everything.

After the debacle that was the original endings?  Yes, I do.  I need clarity

[Heeden]

o Ventus wrote...

Not all rape is sexual.

/notilliterate

Rape is sexual assault, the term has been expanded to increase the emotive spin on a topic ("raping the earth" for example) but the obsession some people on these forums have with it is disturbing to say the least.

Back on topic: I often wondered if people really thought Shep was unconscious for the whole period described by Hackett or if they were looking for any possible way of dissing the EC.

[3DandBeyond]

o Ventus wrote...

zambot wrote...

AscalonD wrote...

I don't know, I am still confused and somewhat hurt over the endings, it's like date rape by someone you love, but they made it up by taking you to dinner, and then banging you again. It's like... I don't know how to describe it

GD, there is nothing at all like rape in the ME3 endings.  Not this.  Not synthesis.  
Jeezus stop comparing it to rape already. Do you actually know anyone who has been raped before? This is insulting as all hell.  

Not all rape is sexual.

/notilliterate

Ok, it's molestation.  It's the invasion of a person's body without permission.  It is forced.  The kid says it cannot be forced but if no consent is given (it wasn't) then Shepard is forcing it upon people.  There are broader uses of the word rape than of a sexual nature.  Mind rape and in fact, I worked in emergency services and anyone who has ever even had their house broken into will tell you it feels like they have been violated, in fact raped.

Synthesis was never something people said to Shepard was ok.  In fact, EDI spoke out against a similar idea, Mordin also, Legion as well, and more.  It is also the advancement of people before their time.  It fundamentally changes what people are and there were people in ME that did not even like implants.  Putting something in their bodies without permission is a violation.

The only choice where you could construe any implied consent is Destroy-that was the goal, you might even say Shepard was ordered to do it.  EDI told Shepard she was prepared to die, Legion showed the Geth might be as well.  I still hate it, think it's wrong.  But none of the other choices (even reject as immediate failure) were the goal.

[felipejiraya]

Really that people are not understanding this simple narrative trick?

They should go more to the cinema...

[zambot]

I can no longer read this thread. Aside from the moronic comments about rape, I am so depressed at the lack of imagination being shown by my fellow human beings right now. Good luck Taboo.

[Taboo]

Heeden wrote...

Back on topic: I often wondered if people really thought Shep was unconscious for the whole period described by Hackett or if they were looking for any possible way of dissing the EC.

They have. I've seen it. I'm not joking.

[Mcfly616]

MystEU wrote...

Shepard walks into the implied sunset for that particular ending. That's good enough for me, along with the placement in the narrative, especially since the endings finally feel like you've actually "won." The presentation of each ending also better illustrates what line you have to cross to achieve victory. Each one is something else with its own downside. The EC execution makes that so much better.

This....

[WhereEternityEnds]

zambot wrote...

I can no longer read this thread. Aside from the moronic comments about rape, I am so depressed at the lack of imagination being shown by my fellow human beings right now. Good luck Taboo.

Imagination is supposed to accentuate or complement story telling.  Not outright replace it. 

[s17tabris]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Did anyone see Shepard avoiding the explosion with a High EMS?

NOOOOO?

I'm just curious as to why mine even began walking into an explosion. I mean I know I've made him do stupid things like...dancing and drinking radioactive booze..but even cavemen knew that fire  meant hot and hot meant hurt!.

Caveman Shepard no like fireball, me shoot pipe, make everything boom!

That's what mine also did.  Walking into the explosion certainly isn't the same as avoiding it.

[TheMiffins]

I get that he is alive, but I would still like to see a reunion. I've come up with a fairly nice head canon, but seeing the real thing would probably be better.

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

zambot wrote...

I can no longer read this thread. Aside from the moronic comments about rape, I am so depressed at the lack of imagination being shown by my fellow human beings right now. Good luck Taboo.

Imagination is supposed to accentuate or complement story telling.  Not outright replace it. 

Go watch something from outside North America. Understand that this is not uncommon.

Western narrative just spoon feeds, that's all.

[Iakus]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

zambot wrote...

I can no longer read this thread. Aside from the moronic comments about rape, I am so depressed at the lack of imagination being shown by my fellow human beings right now. Good luck Taboo.

Imagination is supposed to accentuate or complement story telling.  Not outright replace it. 

I guess we "just don't get it"  

Yeah I went there 

[Naugi]

devSin wrote...

zambot wrote...

Do you really believe they would show Shepard alive for a moment if he/she did not actually survive?

No, I believe they don't actually care whether Shepard goes on to live or not.

Their narrative stops at the part where he didn't immediately die in the blast. The rest of it is unwritten. Did he get rescued? Did he recover? Did the Keepers find him and haul his body to the protein vats? Did he bleed out? Did he lose both his legs and both his arms and most of his face? Does he suffocate in a vacuum? Does he die of starvation trapped under a mountain of rubble?

Those pages aren't implied. They simply don't exist. You can imagine how Shepard was found and everybody is happy, but it's not part of the story, any more than any of the other scenarios.

The extended cut was supposed to offer clarity and closure, and in this instance, they refused to do so.

Thats just silly. You act as if the scene is there for no reason. There's no way a scene that only plays with a certain choice with a certain EMS value was included and they intended it to have no meaning whatsoever. What are you suggesting, that this breath was part of a larger story that the writer just got up and walked away from and then accidentally forgot to complete, or that they just randomly included this, not just the concept of it, but the animation and the sound effect ... just, because ...

Clearly he lives, clearly the memorial scene is different as a result, clearly this is significant. It really doesnt take much imagination to understand what we are being shown.

[davidshooter]

Taboo-XX wrote...

This reminds me of conversations I have with my mother. 

You don't need to be spoon fed everything.

No, you don't "need" to.

But when you may have killed a franchise with your "artistic integrity" and your goal was to continue at the very least with DLC, and perhaps another game you might "want" to consider it.

This game was a major F*** U* for EA and BioWare.  The micro-transaction crowd do not make content for free unless something has gone very, very wrong.

[d-boy15]

talking about closure... did you ever see Final Fantasy VII ending?

I tell you what, if there is no Advent Children to give closure, FFVII ending is not better than ME3.

[Khallos]

I, personally, "got it" the minute I saw where they were going with it ( thanks TVTropes! =D ).

... But I'd still like to see a reunion. =/

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

This reminds me of conversations I have with my mother. 

You don't need to be spoon fed everything.

After the debacle that was the original endings?  Yes, I do.  I need clarity

We were promised closure.  The breath scene wasn't closure.  And on Twitter, JM told a person when specifically asked if there would be a reunion, that there would be.  We all know what that means and we know they know what it means.  When fans found out there wasn't one and asked her about it, she changed her tune and said there clearly was a reunion, it was implied.  Misleading at best, but very hurtful to those that really wanted that reunion.  Now, they are spinning it another way.  Apparently it was too hard to do all the personalized scenes everyone wanted.

Ok, people wanted a memorial scene too and they included one main memorial scene.  They could have replaced that with one simple similarly created reunion scene.  Show Anderson's name on the wall, the Normandy leaving, and then friends standing around--even the same way as it is in the memorial scene with an injured or recovering Shepard in the Med lab or in a hospital, and the LI and Shepard see each other and fade out.  I'd have been ok with that.

[crimzontearz]

Taboo-XX wrote...This reminds me of conversations I have with my mother. You don't need to be spoon fed everything.

I do not. Like the pre EC ending I understand the concepts without the need for an explanation.....but the lack of tangible emotional payoff simply hurts too much

[felipejiraya]

d-boy15 wrote...

talking about closure... did you ever see Final Fantasy VII ending?

I tell you what, if there is no Advent Children to give closure, FFVII ending is not better than ME3.

QFT.

[WhereEternityEnds]

Taboo-XX wrote...

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

zambot wrote...

I can no longer read this thread. Aside from the moronic comments about rape, I am so depressed at the lack of imagination being shown by my fellow human beings right now. Good luck Taboo.

Imagination is supposed to accentuate or complement story telling.  Not outright replace it. 

Go watch something from outside North America. Understand that this is not uncommon.

Western narrative just spoon feeds, that's all.

Oh, I see the ilk of who we're dealing with here.  I'm guessing North American narrative is too "mainstream" for him.  *rolls eyes*  Good lord, who do you think you are? Anyone who makes such a blanket statatement on American Literature and Hollywood isn't worth arguing with. 

Modifié par WhereEternityEnds, 30 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

This reminds me of conversations I have with my mother. 

You don't need to be spoon fed everything.

After the debacle that was the original endings?  Yes, I do.  I need clarity

We were promised closure.  The breath scene wasn't closure.  And on Twitter, JM told a person when specifically asked if there would be a reunion, that there would be.  We all know what that means and we know they know what it means.  When fans found out there wasn't one and asked her about it, she changed her tune and said there clearly was a reunion, it was implied.  Misleading at best, but very hurtful to those that really wanted that reunion.  Now, they are spinning it another way.  Apparently it was too hard to do all the personalized scenes everyone wanted.

Ok, people wanted a memorial scene too and they included one main memorial scene.  They could have replaced that with one simple similarly created reunion scene.  Show Anderson's name on the wall, the Normandy leaving, and then friends standing around--even the same way as it is in the memorial scene with an injured or recovering Shepard in the Med lab or in a hospital, and the LI and Shepard see each other and fade out.  I'd have been ok with that.

Indeed.  A reunion needn't be a big deak ir a prolonged affair.  Just have them see each other again before fadeout.  Let SHepard's story end on a high note, not in a pile of rubble

[KingNothing125]

The overarching problem, I think, is that people are comparing the extended ending with the original. They already know Shep survives, and their interpretation of the extended ending is painted by that experience.

You have to pretend you're seeing the ending for the first time. In that context, it makes perfect sense for the breath scene to be at the end. Then, working in reverse, it logically follows that the crew aboard the crashed Normandy (an unknown length of time after the end of the Reaper war) knew that Anderson died (his name is on the wall) and that Shepard survived (they didn't put Shep on the wall).

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

Oh, I see the ilk of who we're dealing with here.  I'm guessing North American narrative is too "mainstream" for him.  *rolls eyes*  Good lord, who do you think you are? 

A country boy from Montana.

[ShepnTali]

Shepard's probably burnt to a crisp with a hundred broken bones and brain damage, but he's alive if someone wants him to be. You can clearly pretend it to your liking if that's your thing. That's how it was designed.