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[d-boy15]

they (crews) think shepard is dead in memorial scene but the one who will put his name on
not ready to believe shepard is dead and hope that he still alive.

[crimzontearz]

d-boy15 wrote...they (crews) think shepard is dead in memorial scene but the one who will put his name onnot ready to believe shepard is dead and hope that he still alive.

only issue? the devs confirmed he is alive

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

No.  You pretty much implied all western narrative was spoon feeding when you said "LOOK AT NARRATIVES OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA" as an poor defense for this poorly thought out topic. 

Nowhere in that sentence does it say that all of it is. You are more likely to find it outside of North America, that's all. You have chosent to see something that is not there because you are upset.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 juin 2012 - 03:30 .

[OnelShot]

CuseGirl wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

MystEU wrote...

Is it correct to assume that if you get the breath scene, your plaque is never put up in the Normandy? In my ending, I went Destroy and got the breath scene, but Tali never actually put the thing above Anderson's. I figure that is the connection to the implied survival of Shepard, eh?

Yes. This ISN'T difficult to do people.

I havne't replayed it, but I swear to GOD that Liara put my plaque up but my LI was Miranda and I got the breath scene

One of my saves had Miranda as my LI and it turned out the same way as my Liara save with them not putting it on the wall. 

[SpiritWolf448]

Even if the order is mixed up on purpose, the breath scene has little meaning, imo.

Let's see, what do we have?

- Shepard on the citadel
- heavily injured
- likely presumed dead (I mean, Hackett somehow knew that Shepard made it to the transport beam and into the citadel, but at the same time he doesn't try contacting him after the reapers went boom)
- Citadel transport beam disabled
- Ships have fled from the system


So, logically, this means that help won't arrive anytime soon. Maybe it will be half a day until somebody starts rummaging through the citadel rubble, maybe several days. Hell, maybe even longer.
Which means that Shep is all too likely to either bleed out or die from another cause. Maybe the containment shields of the citadel collapse (Remember? the room he was in is surrounded by open space, which is only kept from out by the citadels energy shields.), maybe the keepers throw him/her into one of their recycle vats... who knows?

That he actually survives for any period of time is *not* implied by the breath scene, just that at this very moment he still has a flicker of life left.

Now, *if* they had changed the breath scene slightly by overlaying some sound of footsteps coming closer or a voice shouting "Hey. Over here! I found him/her!"... that would have been something else. That would have heavily implied that help is already there/will arrive in time.

But as it is, the breath scene, even if taken in context with the memorial scene and the changed order Taboo mentioned, holds little meaning beyond a simple incentive for speculation.

[WhereEternityEnds]

Besides, your deflecting all the points I made prior to you bashing all western narrative. This topic has no argumentative ground. The breath scene was not enough and did not offer enough closure. imagination be damned.

[Taboo]

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

[Mcfly616]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote..."Seeing" a reunion would've been nice....but it was never the reason the original endings were bad.....therefore its absence in the EC is irrelevant.....people blatantly saying the EC is "bad" because there's no reunion, are simply incorrect.....

That is all I wanted from EC, thus EC is bad for me

If that's all you wanted then you must've liked the original endings to begin with....

The EC did its job superbly.....explained everything, the Catalyst/Reapers/ Crucible origins, purpose......and it gave closure and showed us the impact our Shepard had on the galaxy....that's all the EC ever set out to do.....not cater to romantics....

Modifié par Mcfly616, 30 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[WhereEternityEnds]

Taboo-XX wrote...

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

No.  You pretty much implied all western narrative was spoon feeding when you said "LOOK AT NARRATIVES OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA" as an poor defense for this poorly thought out topic. 

Nowhere in that sentence does it say that all of it is. You are more likely to find it outside of North America, that's all. You have chosent to see something that is not there because you are upset.

And you clearly don't take too well to reading comprehension.  You never used the words "more likely" in your original posts and that changes the entire meaning of said posts.  Stop prettying up your original stance which was clearly WRONG  in the first place.  Take a loss like a man. 

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

Besides, your deflecting all the points I made prior to you bashing all western narrative. This topic has no argumentative ground. The breath scene was not enough and did not offer enough closure. imagination be damned.

No I didn't. You have chosen to pursue this topic, not I. You have chosent to drag this out, not I. If you wish to participate, please stop attacking me with things that have no bearing on the discussion at hand.

[Shaleist]

OnelShot wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

"Seeing" a reunion would've been nice....but it was never the reason the original endings were bad.....therefore its absence in the EC is irrelevant.....people blatantly saying the EC is "bad" because there's no reunion, are simply incorrect.....

Those are usually the people who pretend to care about plot holes or whatever else people complained about, but in the end they just wanted an all is happy ending, no matter how much it made sense. 

Some of us gave up hope for a sensible ending.  I think the extended cut went about as well as possible, and even that only slightly improved the ending.

[WhereEternityEnds]

Taboo-XX wrote...

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

Besides, your deflecting all the points I made prior to you bashing all western narrative. This topic has no argumentative ground. The breath scene was not enough and did not offer enough closure. imagination be damned.

No I didn't. You have chosen to pursue this topic, not I. You have chosent to drag this out, not I. If you wish to participate, please stop attacking me with things that have no bearing on the discussion at hand.

What's it like living in denial?  Must be hell.  You have chosen to engage in this argument just as I have.   Very very poorly I might add. 

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

And you clearly don't take too well to reading comprehension.  You never used the words "more likely" in your original posts and that changes the entire meaning of said posts.  Stop prettying up your original stance which was clearly WRONG  in the first place.  Take a loss like a man. 

You keep insisting that this was malicious. I never said anything of the sort and you know it. You want to vent frustration, I understand.

But you have not provided ANY criticism past attacking me personally. Ad hominem.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[Shaleist]

BROS!!!! Calm down.

Go to the fridge... grab a Pabst


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Modifié par Shaleist, 30 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[WhereEternityEnds]

Taboo-XX wrote...

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

And you clearly don't take too well to reading comprehension.  You never used the words "more likely" in your original posts and that changes the entire meaning of said posts.  Stop prettying up your original stance which was clearly WRONG  in the first place.  Take a loss like a man. 

You keep insisting that this was malicius. I never said anything of the sort and you know it. You want to vent frustration, I understand.

But you have not provided ANY criticism past attacking me personally. Ad hominem.

You don't have to outright say anything to make a meaning apparent (you did say it outright anyway though).  Once again, it's called reading between the lines.  I indeed have provided criticism.  You have just chosen to ignore it constantly, as you continue to make a hissy fit over me destroying you in this debate in every way imaginable. 

[chuckles471]

felipejiraya wrote...

d-boy15 wrote...

talking about closure... did you ever see Final Fantasy VII ending?

I tell you what, if there is no Advent Children to give closure, FFVII ending is not better than ME3.

QFT.

What? They never made any promise to have closure.
Holy failed. 
Lifestream kicked in.  Planet defending itself talked about all the way through game, even using the "weapons" to hammer home the point.  It was a cliffhanger asking a question "was the planet in so bad a state because of "us", that it couldn't defend itself".  An aside they also said that wouldn't make a true sequel with FFVII but they caved eventually /shudder Dirge of cerberus.
But I will defend it, I have a huge buster sword on my arm.
Also agree with OP but I can't make the jump to say he is alive.  Too much of a cynic.

[Silpheed58]

Watch the ending to Drive. The breath scene reminds me of that.

[Mcfly616]

The breathe scene is just a symbol of Shepard's survival.....if you don't get it, he's dead.....simple as that.....


Do you really need to see a cheesy picture of him in his L.I.'s arms with Genie, Simba and Buzz Lightyear dancing around him? Haha silly children

You get the breathe scene...Shepard survives....and goes on to live whatever life your Shepard would live....everything else is given closure....if your Shepard lived, that closure is up to you

Modifié par Mcfly616, 30 juin 2012 - 03:39 .

[Sisterofshane]

Wow - this is like watching a train wreck - it's so terrible and yet, I can't look away.

Please, WhereEternityEnds, continue to overreact to some mispercieved ill-will in the OP.

[Taboo]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

You don't have to outright say anything to make a meaning apparent (you did say it outright anyway though).  Once again, it's called reading between the lines.  I indeed have provided criticism.  You have just chosen to ignore it constantly, as you continue to make a hissy fit over me destroying you in this debate in every way imaginable. 

You haven't provided much of anything actually. All you've done is gotten incresingly angry for no reason. I have asked you for criticism and you keep bringing it back to the statement about spoon feeding.

Either present your criticism or do not. If you cannot, please leave the thread.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

Possibly? Sure.

The Citadel could also POSSIBLY be 7.11 million tons and who knows how much explorable space to have to sift through to find some body that was in an inaccessible region of the Citadel and is buried in rubble.

And the squad knows that Anderson is dead but doesn't know Shepard is alive. Meaning Shepard still hasn't been recovered. Just how long do you expect Shepard to survive with no food, no water, and no medical attention, while being trapped in some part of the station nobody knows about?

[krukow]

This thread is like Tuchanka in ME2. It was beautiful once...

[davidshooter]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Michael Bay...is exactly what I'm talking about. Once you start to think, the entire thing falls apart. It's just nonsense entertainment. There's nothing wrong with that.

Mass Effect 3 is Michael Bay, that's the problem.

There is nothing deep, artistic or complex about the endings whatsoever.

Something like Synthesis is downright laughable - in fact I still don't believe Bioware is even serious with this option.  I honestly believe it's a homage to B-movie humour  (think Sean of the Dead) with husks, brutes, banshees etc surviving. 

[cbutz]

I think something simple , an image, would have been nice. I can head canon all I want but head cannons are like opinions; everyone has one and are all worthless. This holds true especially when compared to "official canon." All I wanted was for them to show me a scene (an image) of the reunion so that I can say they officially are reunited etc. Then from that point I would gladly head canon the rest. heck I thought what they showed in the slides were great. It showed what was happening in the galaxy, galaxy recovers. From that point I am fine head canoning the rest. The Shepard lives needs more of a satisfying anchor so that I can let my head canon fly. Heck all I would have needed for a reunion was a simple image ( any image) that showed them together, I'll take care of the rest.
For example, one image could have been Shepard in a Citadel hospital with his LI (Mirnada in my canon Shep) with him, the window overlooks a rebuilding Citadel and Earth in the background.
Yes I head canoned it but guess what, it is worthless in the canonized story (Yes there are multiple canons in this series but they all make up the possible canons.) Having said that, if Bioware put in a picture where Shepard gets off of a shuttle to his LI,(or squad) or the LI(squad) getting off a shuttle to find Shepard, I would be perfectly fine with that since I would augment and change the head canon to fit the "canon." That simple image would establish that Shepard lives, or he reunites with friends and loved ones. The rest is up to me.

tldr: Shep lives scene needs a official canon anchor, like a reunite image, to anchor the head canon in the official "canon" before letting us fly with our head canons.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

Possibly? Sure.

The Citadel could also POSSIBLY be 7.11 million tons and who knows how much explorable space to have to sift through to find some body that was in an inaccessible region of the Citadel and is buried in rubble.

And the squad knows that Anderson is dead but doesn't know Shepard is alive. Meaning Shepard still hasn't been recovered. Just how long do you expect Shepard to survive with no food, no water, and no medical attention, while being trapped in some part of the station nobody knows about?

You've already witnessed everything else. Suspension of disbelief occurs in this case.

If you choose to believe that your Shepard dies, bowels evacuated, in a pile of his or her own ****, that is your right.