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[SpiritWolf448]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

If that was a reply to me, Taboo, yes, they could. But given that earth was under reaper siege for some time, it is, I think, all too likely that those ships aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Besides, even if there were operable ships on earth, what logical reason would they have to immediately scramble up to the citadel and search it?

No, in my opinion, at the bare minimum it will be several hours until somebody comes up there. And then, they would have to figure out the presence of the elevator of light Shepard rode up on and how to operate it. Remember? The Glowboy activated that one, not Shep himself. *If* it even is in an operable state.

But to each their own, I guess. Bioware wanted people to wildly speculate, and they succeeded, didn't they?

[CINCTuchanka]

Wait, hold on, people still don't understand the end of High EMS destroy?

I...I don't even...

It's just so painfully obvious. If anything the EC beat you over the head with "clarity." That people are demanding more actually doesn't make sense to me.

[nitefyre410]

Taboo-XX wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

If you seen enough movies you have seen this trick done a million times

Unfortunately, people haven't picked this up, or that they've seen it before.

 

I would go with the former ... there is no way they have not seen this done before. 

I 'm not even film major and I seen done more times than I can...

hell I watched a whole series that  set the bar of  "If you see no body or death animation they are not dead" 

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You've already witnessed everything else. Suspension of disbelief occurs in this case.

If you choose to believe that your Shepard dies, bowels evacuated, in a pile of his or her own ****, that is your right.

So you concede that the narrative does not offer sufficient guidance, yes?

You can believe whatever you want. But that's all it will ever be. Your belief.

Shepard lived because you imagine it, not because it actually happened.

[OnelShot]

WhereEternityEnds wrote...

Besides, your deflecting all the points I made prior to you bashing all western narrative. This topic has no argumentative ground. The breath scene was not enough and did not offer enough closure. imagination be damned.

Reapers dead, a glimpse into the future of the galaxy and races dependent on your choices, seeing what happens to your squad mates, and seeing Shepard live, yeah what happened to closure? Derp

[Taboo]

You have every right to believe that Shepard dies broken, in a pile of his or her own **** after their bowels evacuated.

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You've already witnessed everything else. Suspension of disbelief occurs in this case.

If you choose to believe that your Shepard dies, bowels evacuated, in a pile of his or her own ****, that is your right.

So you concede that the narrative does not offer sufficient guidance, yes?

You can believe whatever you want. But that's all it will ever be. Your belief.

Shepard lived because you imagine it, not because it actually happened.

No. It provides plenty.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[OnelShot]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have every right to believe that Shepard dies broken, in a pile of his or her own **** after their bowels evacuated.

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Even those at bioware apperanty. 

[Taboo]

OnelShot wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have every right to believe that Shepard dies broken, in a pile of his or her own **** after their bowels evacuated.

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Even those at bioware apperanty. 

Mr. Gamble stated it. Mr. Ackland stated it. Miss Merizan stated it.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Really? I happen to see a fair number of people who are similarly dissatisfied or at the least think it could have been done better.

But feel free to continue to claim the superiority of your opinion. I know how happy it makes you.

Taboo-XX wrote...

No. It provides plenty.

What exactly does it provide? Shepard was not killed by the explosion. That's it. That's the only information you're given.

Modifié par devSin, 30 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[Sisterofshane]

SpiritWolf448 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

If that was a reply to me, Taboo, yes, they could. But given that earth was under reaper siege for some time, it is, I think, all too likely that those ships aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

Besides, even if there were operable ships on earth, what logical reason would they have to immediately scramble up to the citadel and search it?

No, in my opinion, at the bare minimum it will be several hours until somebody comes up there. And then, they would have to figure out the presence of the elevator of light Shepard rode up on and how to operate it. Remember? The Glowboy activated that one, not Shep himself. *If* it even is in an operable state.

But to each their own, I guess. Bioware wanted people to wildly speculate, and they succeeded, didn't they?

To assume that Shepard is "dead meat" on the citadel is also to assume that everyone else aboard it is, as well.  This directly contradicts what the Devs have told us (albeit through Twitter and the likes, but they did tell us not to assume that everyone aboard the citadel was dead).

I just assume that it is the people aboard the citadel that make the initial rescue - especially since I spent so much time bolstering the Citadel Denfense Forces.

[ShepnTali]

Bioware may never want to do the love interest thing again. Too many headaches.

[CINCTuchanka]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You have every right to believe that Shepard dies broken, in a pile of his or her own **** after their bowels evacuated.

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Actually, you don't really have a "choice" if you actually understand the narrative.  I mean, you could choose to interpret the "text" incorrectly I guess.  There is nothing in the High EMS destroy ending that implies anything other than Shepard surviving and being found etc.  To "choose" to believe otherwise is simply to drown yourself in BioWare hate and cosntruct an ending that consists of nothing but sorrow because you hate the Starkid/Synthesis/EDI dying etc. 


You can not like the ending and still see that the implications of it are clear. Being willfully and obstinantly pessimistic is just silly and has been a constant annoyance in these discussions on the ending. 

EDIT: Rant not directed towards Taboo but the people he was describing.  I use second person pronouns liberally...

/rant

Modifié par CINCTuchanka, 30 juin 2012 - 03:50 .

[CuseGirl]

ShepnTali wrote...
Bioware may never want to do the love interest thing again. Too many headaches.

Yea, don't write fleshed out secondary characters that the player will get attached to smh....

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Really? I happen to see a fair number of people who are similarly dissatisfied or at the least think it could have been done better.

But feel free to continue to claim the superiority of your opinion. I know it makes you happy.

I said that everyone else has arrived at a seperate conclusion. Bioware wants you to use your head.

If you want your Shepard to die, even against Bioware's statements, he can. That's YOUR right.

[Mcfly616]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

Wait, hold on, people still don't understand the end of High EMS destroy?

I...I don't even...

It's just so painfully obvious. If anything the EC beat you over the head with "clarity." That people are demanding more actually doesn't make sense to me.

so much this

[3DandBeyond]

Mcfly616 wrote...

The breathe scene is just a symbol of Shepard's survival.....if you don't get it, he's dead.....simple as that.....


Do you really need to see a cheesy picture of him in his L.I.'s arms with Genie, Simba and Buzz Lightyear dancing around him? Haha silly children

You get the breathe scene...Shepard survives....and goes on to live whatever life your Shepard would live....everything else is given closure....if your Shepard lived, that closure is up to you

This is dismissive and insulting.  I promise not to tell you how stupid something you like is if you will promise not to do the same for me.

I am aware Shepard survives.  I understand the Normandy is going to look for Shepard.

This was a video game and as such was to be visual and fun.  I can imagine everything but I wanted to see it.  And that's not cheesy.  I guess in real life if you get married, your wedding photos will be so cheesy they need to be thrown out.  Since when did happiness or something good turn into cheesy.  Cynical immature idea that has no parallel in real life. 

They again broke a promise-promised closure and they give it to you if you decided that life is crap and the endings needed to be less happy and that Shepard must die to make the story good.  And on twitter Jessica M said we would get a reunion.  When people asked why we didn't she said we did because it was implied.  What kind of crap is that?

Death and dying is not artistic and yet we get to see the flesh burn off of Shepard, but we can't possibly be adults if we want something somewhat happier to happen?  After choosing Destroy, it's not like things will be all bright and cheery.  There are dead reapers everywhere. EDI is dead.  The geth are dead.  The galaxy is more messy and there are no reapers to fix everything and clean it all up.  So yes, I wanted one scene that was as cheesy as the memorial wall where friends saw that Shepard survived. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 30 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[humes spork]

I dunno, I kind of like the idea Shepard was hiding behind a chunk of rubble for years or decades, if not centuries, holding his or her breath waiting for the Normandy to come back just to jump out and go "GOTCHA!".

[Sisterofshane]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Really? I happen to see a fair number of people who are similarly dissatisfied or at the least think it could have been done better.

But feel free to continue to claim the superiority of your opinion. I know how happy it makes you.

Dissatified in what way, though?  That they didn't have a happy reunion played out for them, or that they are honestly still confused about whether Shepard lives or not?

Modifié par Sisterofshane, 30 juin 2012 - 03:50 .

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr. Gamble stated it. Mr. Ackland stated it. Miss Merizan stated it.

Tully and Jessica are not designers. Jessica in particular has been wrong so many times to ever consider taking seriously when it comes to story details.

Show me a writer or designer involved in these sequences or in this particular decision who has said it. Mike has never said it, despite your assertion, but he's also not involved in the story.

[Taboo]

humes spork wrote...

I dunno, I kind of like the idea Shepard was hiding behind a chunk of rubble for years or decades, if not centuries, holding his or her breath waiting for the Normandy to come back just to jump out and go "GOTCHA!".

Jackass Theory.

Called it.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr. Gamble stated it. Mr. Ackland stated it. Miss Merizan stated it.

Tully and Jessica are not designers. Jessica in particular has been wrong so many times to ever consider taking seriously when it comes to story details.

Show me a writer or designer involved in these sequences or in this particular decision who has said it. Mike has never said it, despite your assertion, but he's also not involved in the story.

Mr. Gamble is a producer. He looks OVER the script. BAHAHAHAHAHA.

He tweeted about it the other day.

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

Possibly? Sure.

The Citadel could also POSSIBLY be 7.11 million tons and who knows how much explorable space to have to sift through to find some body that was in an inaccessible region of the Citadel and is buried in rubble.

And the squad knows that Anderson is dead but doesn't know Shepard is alive. Meaning Shepard still hasn't been recovered. Just how long do you expect Shepard to survive with no food, no water, and no medical attention, while being trapped in some part of the station nobody knows about?

You've already witnessed everything else. Suspension of disbelief occurs in this case.

If you choose to believe that your Shepard dies, bowels evacuated, in a pile of his or her own ****, that is your right.

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

[Taboo]

iakus wrote...

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

All of the necessary tools are in place. If you wish to wallow in despair and melancholy that's fine.

The composition of the scene is intentional.

[Zulmoka531]

humes spork wrote...

I dunno, I kind of like the idea Shepard was hiding behind a chunk of rubble for years or decades, if not centuries, holding his or her breath waiting for the Normandy to come back just to jump out and go "GOTCHA!".

"Oh man, they are gonna here any second now, and I'll be like "RAWR" and they'll all be like "Aaaaaah!" and I'll be all like "Haha gotcha, and the Reapers too". I can't wait to see the look on their faces...in 20 years..."