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[devSin]

Sisterofshane wrote...

To assume that Shepard is "dead meat" on the citadel is also to assume that everyone else aboard it is, as well.  This directly contradicts what the Devs have told us (albeit through Twitter and the likes, but they did tell us not to assume that everyone aboard the citadel was dead).

But they were, before the retcon.

This scene was created before the retcon, as well. Shepard was also in a part of the Citadel that nobody had ever been to. And somebody knew enough that Anderson was dead for the squad to put it up on the wall, but they didn't know Shepard was alive. Which means Shepard either wasn't found or somebody somehow thought it was so important to tell the Normandy that Anderson was dead but not that their commander was alive.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Dissatified in what way, though?  That they didn't have a happy reunion played out for them, or that they are honestly still confused about whether Shepard lives or not?

I won't speak for others, but I do not agree that the imagination should be the arbiter of whether Shepard is rescued and recovered.

If they intend for Shepard to live, then Shepard should be shown to live (not just to have survived the explosion). If they intend for Shepard to die, then Shepard should be shown to die (which they had no problem clarifying in every other ending).

If they don't want to show Shepard's future, that's fine. It's unnecessary for me. But they needed to go further as far as clarifying that Shepard was rescued from the rubble and went on to recover (more or less).

I was already unhappy with the lack of context in a lot of the slides, and I didn't like the way the memorial and breath scene were structured for the ending where Shepard survives.

[camcon2100]

Oh how much I love you Taboo! You take it upon yourself to explain something so obvious so others don't have to. People want everything spelled out to them. It's almost as if at the end they were yelling SHEPARDS ALIVE! While it would have been nice to see, I can see why they didn't show it!

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

All of the necessary tools are in place. If you wish to wallow in despair and melancholy that's fine.

The composition of the scene is intentional.

What tools?

The only real difference is the LI on the Normandy suddenly becomes Force-sensitive.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

Nothing much really did change in the EC in the endings.  Yes, more cinematics, more explanation, more words, same basic concepts based on even more fantastically crazy reasons from the star of the show (you know the bad guy we knew about in ME1).

[Taboo]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

iakus wrote...

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

All of the necessary tools are in place. If you wish to wallow in despair and melancholy that's fine.

The composition of the scene is intentional.

What tools?

The only real difference is the LI on the Normandy suddenly becomes Force-sensitive.

The editing itself confirms this. The cross cut? The narrative pattern? It's designed to build up to a huge sigh of relief.

You have chosen to hold it in like a bowel movement for some reason.

[CINCTuchanka]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ They couldn't POSSIBLY have ships on Earth right?

Possibly? Sure.

The Citadel could also POSSIBLY be 7.11 million tons and who knows how much explorable space to have to sift through to find some body that was in an inaccessible region of the Citadel and is buried in rubble.

And the squad knows that Anderson is dead but doesn't know Shepard is alive. Meaning Shepard still hasn't been recovered. Just how long do you expect Shepard to survive with no food, no water, and no medical attention, while being trapped in some part of the station nobody knows about?

You've already witnessed everything else. Suspension of disbelief occurs in this case.

If you choose to believe that your Shepard dies, bowels evacuated, in a pile of his or her own ****, that is your right.

And how is that in any way different from the original endings we had, before we received "clarity and closure" from EC?

One of the primary differences between the original ending and this ending is that there was no implication in the original cut that the Normandy crew was ever able to leave the Jungle Planet w/Two Moons ™.  Thus, there was never an implied reunion.  In the extended cut, we see LI smiling and Normandy taking off, thus implying reunion.  And for extra measure, the Normandy didn't use the Relay to travel, still inexplicably, to Junge Planet w/Two Moons ™.  So it's within standard FTL distance of Earth. 

All of these things are implied in the extended cut and not in the original cut.  The original cut never made it impossible, but I originally inferred that  Normandy crew was stranded in a neo-Luddite Eden.  Which made it cringe-worthy for me anyway.

[chuckles471]

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Everyone else has chosen to do the opposite.

Really? I happen to see a fair number of people who are similarly dissatisfied or at the least think it could have been done better.

But feel free to continue to claim the superiority of your opinion. I know it makes you happy.

I said that everyone else has arrived at a seperate conclusion. Bioware wants you to use your head.

If you want your Shepard to die, even against Bioware's statements, he can. That's YOUR right.

Not to sound cheeky but are those official statements or the twitter pat you on the head "they can be anything you want.  Now run along you scamp or the easter bunny will get you".  Because they really do talk crap there. 

[krukow]

the freaking file is called "shepard alive.mov".

You people are rediculous.

[Taboo]

chuckles471 wrote...

Not to sound cheeky but are those official statements or the twitter pat you on the head "they can be anything you want.  Now run along you scamp or the easter bunny will get you".  Because they really do talk crap there. 

I assumed that a producer who oversaw production saying Shepard lives would have been enough for people.

I assumed that people coming on the forums posting about it, as Mr. Ackland did, would have been enough for people.

I assumed that the Community Manager confirming what the other two said would have been enough for people.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 30 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[Mcfly616]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

The breathe scene is just a symbol of Shepard's survival.....if you don't get it, he's dead.....simple as that.....


Do you really need to see a cheesy picture of him in his L.I.'s arms with Genie, Simba and Buzz Lightyear dancing around him? Haha silly children

You get the breathe scene...Shepard survives....and goes on to live whatever life your Shepard would live....everything else is given closure....if your Shepard lived, that closure is up to you

This is dismissive and insulting.  I promise not to tell you how stupid something you like is if you will promise not to do the same for me.

I am aware Shepard survives.  I understand the Normandy is going to look for Shepard.

This was a video game and as such was to be visual and fun.  I can imagine everything but I wanted to see it.  And that's not cheesy.  I guess in real life if you get married, your wedding photos will be so cheesy they need to be thrown out.  Since when did happiness or something good turn into cheesy.  Cynical immature idea that has no parallel in real life. 

They again broke a promise-promised closure and they give it to you if you decided that life is crap and the endings needed to be less happy and that Shepard must die to make the story good.  And on twitter Jessica M said we would get a reunion.  When people asked why we didn't she said we did because it was implied.  What kind of crap is that?

Death and dying is not artistic and yet we get to see the flesh burn off of Shepard, but we can't possibly be adults if we want something somewhat happier to happen?  After choosing Destroy, it's not like things will be all bright and cheery.  There are dead reapers everywhere. EDI is dead.  The geth are dead.  The galaxy is more messy and there are no reapers to fix everything and clean it all up.  So yes, I wanted one scene that was as cheesy as the memorial wall where friends saw that Shepard survived. 

a reunion is just wishful thinking....hell, I would've liked one too....but I'm honest, I keep reality in check....I'm not going lie and spew hate and say something isn't good just because it didnt provide something I would've liked to see.....

I hated everything about the original endings.....I never thought it was possible to make sense of everything without the Indoc Theory, and the complete removal of StarBrat....I supported the Indoc Theory even if.it wasn't Biowares plan...I hated on Bioware and made my tongue in cheek smartass posts day in and day out.....and do I feel.guilty? Hell no....those endings were so vague, and lazy....

But the EC....well for me, it did the impossible.....everything made sense.....and just because I didn't see Liara pull Shepard from the rubble, or I didn't see blue babies, I'm not gonna lie and say the EC didn't provide enough closure and was horrible.....it explained everything word for word in detail....


I would hate to see your guys reactions after playing Red Dead.....or after watching Inception.....or Donnie Darko....or anything that isn't all peaches and roses with ponies and doves explaining everything fully.....

Which the EC explains everything except for who was the one that pulled Shepard from the rubble.....and when.....irrelevant since the fact of the matter is, he lives....

[CINCTuchanka]

Mcfly616 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

The breathe scene is just a symbol of Shepard's survival.....if you don't get it, he's dead.....simple as that.....


Do you really need to see a cheesy picture of him in his L.I.'s arms with Genie, Simba and Buzz Lightyear dancing around him? Haha silly children

You get the breathe scene...Shepard survives....and goes on to live whatever life your Shepard would live....everything else is given closure....if your Shepard lived, that closure is up to you

This is dismissive and insulting.  I promise not to tell you how stupid something you like is if you will promise not to do the same for me.

I am aware Shepard survives.  I understand the Normandy is going to look for Shepard.

This was a video game and as such was to be visual and fun.  I can imagine everything but I wanted to see it.  And that's not cheesy.  I guess in real life if you get married, your wedding photos will be so cheesy they need to be thrown out.  Since when did happiness or something good turn into cheesy.  Cynical immature idea that has no parallel in real life. 

They again broke a promise-promised closure and they give it to you if you decided that life is crap and the endings needed to be less happy and that Shepard must die to make the story good.  And on twitter Jessica M said we would get a reunion.  When people asked why we didn't she said we did because it was implied.  What kind of crap is that?

Death and dying is not artistic and yet we get to see the flesh burn off of Shepard, but we can't possibly be adults if we want something somewhat happier to happen?  After choosing Destroy, it's not like things will be all bright and cheery.  There are dead reapers everywhere. EDI is dead.  The geth are dead.  The galaxy is more messy and there are no reapers to fix everything and clean it all up.  So yes, I wanted one scene that was as cheesy as the memorial wall where friends saw that Shepard survived. 

a reunion is just wishful thinking....hell, I would've liked one too....but I'm honest, I keep reality in check....I'm not going lie and spew hate and say something isn't good just because it didnt provide something I would've liked to see.....

I hated everything about the original endings.....I never thought it was possible to make sense of everything without the Indoc Theory, and the complete removal of StarBrat....I supported the Indoc Theory even if.it wasn't Biowares plan...I hated on Bioware and made my tongue in cheek smartass posts day in and day out.....and do I feel.guilty? Hell no....those endings were so vague, and lazy....

But the EC....well for me, it did the impossible.....everything made sense.....and just because I didn't see Liara pull Shepard from the rubble, or I didn't see blue babies, I'm not gonna lie and say the EC didn't provide enough closure and was horrible.....it explained everything word for word in detail....


I would hate to see your guys reactions after playing Red Dead.....or after watching Inception.....or Donnie Darko....or anything that isn't all peaches and roses with ponies and doves explaining everything fully.....

Which the EC explains everything except for who was the one that pulled Shepard from the rubble.....and when.....irrelevant since the fact of the matter is, he lives....

In my mind you sound like William Shatner. 

Also, agreed.

[Iakus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Not to sound cheeky but are those official statements or the twitter pat you on the head "they can be anything you want.  Now run along you scamp or the easter bunny will get you".  Because they really do talk crap there. 

I assumed that a producer who oversaw production saying Shepard lives would have been enough for people.

I assumed that people coming on the forums posting about it, as Mr. Ackland did, would have been enough for people.

I assumed that the Community Manager confirming what the other two said would have been enough for people.

And I assumed that an ending designed to clear up these matters would make it plain, and we not have to consult outside sources.

I'm funny that way 

[Jonata]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I assumed that a producer who oversaw production saying Shepard lives would have been enough for people.

I assumed that people coming on the forums posting about it, as Mr. Ackland did, would have been enough for people.

I assumed that the Community Manager confirming what the other two said would have been enough for people.

What you call Community has become a contest in which who realize the best sarcastic insult to BioWare wins. The Angry One's popularity on these boards actually proves that.

You can't assume that people will accept a thread that states something positive about the franchise without setting it to flames, Taboo. Not here.

That being said, I loved the EC Destroy Ending, and it made me very happy. I'm OK with the game, the franchise and my Shepard's journey right now, and I'm really looking forward for some possible ME2-related ME3 DLC.

Modifié par Jonata, 30 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[camcon2100]

iakus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Not to sound cheeky but are those official statements or the twitter pat you on the head "they can be anything you want.  Now run along you scamp or the easter bunny will get you".  Because they really do talk crap there. 

I assumed that a producer who oversaw production saying Shepard lives would have been enough for people.

I assumed that people coming on the forums posting about it, as Mr. Ackland did, would have been enough for people.

I assumed that the Community Manager confirming what the other two said would have been enough for people.

And I assumed that an ending designed to clear up these matters would make it plain, and we not have to consult outside sources.

I'm funny that way 

It is plain! Shepard is shown breathing and alive!

[ShepnTali]

I think the valid beef is, if Twitter confirms it, why not something simple? Why not a simple, single still shot of Shepard hammering some nails on Rannoch, or Shep's hand around Liara's pregnant tummy. These are simple easy to do things that is nothing but a win scenario for them.

[humes spork]

Taboo-XX wrote...

humes spork wrote...

I dunno, I kind of like the idea Shepard was hiding behind a chunk of rubble for years or decades, if not centuries, holding his or her breath waiting for the Normandy to come back just to jump out and go "GOTCHA!".

Jackass Theory.

Called it.

Makes sense. Renegade Shepard went all serious in ME3 and didn't say or do remotely as much arbitrary jackass stuff as in the previous installments. I don't think s/he said or did anything that fell under the "arbitrary jackass" category. It makes perfect sense that Shepard saved all the jackass for the ending to unload it all in one epic act of historic, galaxy-scale jackassery.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I said that everyone else has arrived at a seperate conclusion. Bioware wants you to use your head.

That's funny, because once you start to use your head you realize how many issues there are with it.

BioWare doesn't want you to use your head. They just want you to be happy.

I'm honestly not sure why you ever had a problem with the original ending. You seem exactly like the sort of person who would be dying to tell people how obvious it is and how right it is.

Taboo-XX wrote...

He tweeted about it the other day.

I know who Mike is, thank you.

I also know what he said. I know the implication of the scene. It's touching that your romance partner isn't ready to give up on you, I agree (but like I noted earlier, it's not something the scene does successfully until you can compare it to the others).

That is not confirmation that Shepard was rescued (or even could be rescued). That they don't know for sure that you're dead, maybe, but it doesn't mean Shepard ultimately lives.

Taboo-XX wrote...

The editing itself confirms this. The cross cut? The narrative pattern? It's designed to build up to a huge sigh of relief.

You have chosen to hold it in like a bowel movement for some reason.

And you've chosen to completely dismiss all of those reasons (as you often seem to do).

That sigh of relief? Not everyone feels that way. That doesn't mean they didn't see what is happening or that they can't imagine the same things as you. Their reaction to it was different. Don't assume that you're the only person who gets it because it's something you're personally happy with.

I get it. I don't particularly like it, and I think it could have been handled much better if structured slightly differently and reinforced somewhere else in the epilogue. When I saw it, it did not evoke what I assume was their intended response, and it did not give me the feeling I had hoped to get from the survival ending.

Modifié par devSin, 30 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[SpiritWolf448]

Well, to be fair, not everyone uses ****ter ™ or Crapbook(equally TM) or comes for a nice bout of flaming on the BSN and actually reads every damn thread. So if one cannot logically come to the conclusion without outside information or a lot of make-believe, it still remains... problematic.

But as Bioware said, "much speculation for everybody". Open end so everybody can pick their favourite cherry.

[CuseGirl]

Mcfly616 wrote...
I would hate to see your guys reactions after playing Red Dead.....or after watching Inception.....or Donnie Darko....or anything that isn't all peaches and roses with ponies and doves explaining everything fully.....

Which the EC explains everything except for who was the one that pulled Shepard from the rubble.....and when.....irrelevant since the fact of the matter is, he lives....

I can't comment on Red Dead, but Inception's ending and Donnie Darko's endings fit their stories. Especially Inception, many times you're not sure if a particular scene is actually happening to the characters experiencing it. Not all stories have to end with the "happy ending", but ME-3 has enough death, destruction and loss from beginning to end, it's not too much to ask for Shepard/the-player to get a literal reward for beating the game. I guess some of us are asking: with a High EMS and choosing destroy, does the player win and what do they get in return? I couldn't tell you.

My expectations for what ME-3 was going to be in the end are so far off, it's as if I was stupid to purchase the game. I know it sounds immature but I really really truly thought I was gonna play the game, kill the Reapers, slap fives with Garrus or Jacob or Grunt and then go have sex with Miranda. I really thought that was gonna happen. I thought my Shep was THAT Dude. To be honest, I don't appreciate Shep being "broght down a notch" at the end of his story. This was not the place for it.

[chuckles471]

Taboo-XX wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Not to sound cheeky but are those official statements or the twitter pat you on the head "they can be anything you want.  Now run along you scamp or the easter bunny will get you".  Because they really do talk crap there. 

I assumed that a producer who oversaw production saying Shepard lives would have been enough for people.

I assumed that people coming on the forums posting about it, as Mr. Ackland did, would have been enough for people.

I assumed that the Community Manager confirming what the other two said would have been enough for people.

"Assumption the granmother****er****in of all ****sups" Malcolm Tucker.  
Did they say he did not die and using headcanon to say different would be wrong.  Also was it official or just opinions?
I don't really care that much, just don't like people making stuff up and telling others they are wrong for believing different.     

Modifié par chuckles471, 30 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Mcfly616]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

The breathe scene is just a symbol of Shepard's survival.....if you don't get it, he's dead.....simple as that.....


Do you really need to see a cheesy picture of him in his L.I.'s arms with Genie, Simba and Buzz Lightyear dancing around him? Haha silly children

You get the breathe scene...Shepard survives....and goes on to live whatever life your Shepard would live....everything else is given closure....if your Shepard lived, that closure is up to you

This is dismissive and insulting.  I promise not to tell you how stupid something you like is if you will promise not to do the same for me.

I am aware Shepard survives.  I understand the Normandy is going to look for Shepard.

This was a video game and as such was to be visual and fun.  I can imagine everything but I wanted to see it.  And that's not cheesy.  I guess in real life if you get married, your wedding photos will be so cheesy they need to be thrown out.  Since when did happiness or something good turn into cheesy.  Cynical immature idea that has no parallel in real life. 

They again broke a promise-promised closure and they give it to you if you decided that life is crap and the endings needed to be less happy and that Shepard must die to make the story good.  And on twitter Jessica M said we would get a reunion.  When people asked why we didn't she said we did because it was implied.  What kind of crap is that?

Death and dying is not artistic and yet we get to see the flesh burn off of Shepard, but we can't possibly be adults if we want something somewhat happier to happen?  After choosing Destroy, it's not like things will be all bright and cheery.  There are dead reapers everywhere. EDI is dead.  The geth are dead.  The galaxy is more messy and there are no reapers to fix everything and clean it all up.  So yes, I wanted one scene that was as cheesy as the memorial wall where friends saw that Shepard survived. 

a reunion is just wishful thinking....hell, I would've liked one too....but I'm honest, I keep reality in check....I'm not going lie and spew hate and say something isn't good just because it didnt provide something I would've liked to see.....

I hated everything about the original endings.....I never thought it was possible to make sense of everything without the Indoc Theory, and the complete removal of StarBrat....I supported the Indoc Theory even if.it wasn't Biowares plan...I hated on Bioware and made my tongue in cheek smartass posts day in and day out.....and do I feel.guilty? Hell no....those endings were so vague, and lazy....

But the EC....well for me, it did the impossible.....everything made sense.....and just because I didn't see Liara pull Shepard from the rubble, or I didn't see blue babies, I'm not gonna lie and say the EC didn't provide enough closure and was horrible.....it explained everything word for word in detail....


I would hate to see your guys reactions after playing Red Dead.....or after watching Inception.....or Donnie Darko....or anything that isn't all peaches and roses with ponies and doves explaining everything fully.....

Which the EC explains everything except for who was the one that pulled Shepard from the rubble.....and when.....irrelevant since the fact of the matter is, he lives....

In my mind you sound like William Shatner. 

Also, agreed.

Hahaha weeiiirrrd....I just saw one of his "Priceline Negotiator" commercials a few minutes ago.....what a Pimp

[garrusfan1]

People like me just want a reunion or an expansion and yes it has been done before

[Sisterofshane]

devSin wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

To assume that Shepard is "dead meat" on the citadel is also to assume that everyone else aboard it is, as well.  This directly contradicts what the Devs have told us (albeit through Twitter and the likes, but they did tell us not to assume that everyone aboard the citadel was dead).

But they were, before the retcon.

This scene was created before the retcon, as well. Shepard was also in a part of the Citadel that nobody had ever been to. And somebody knew enough that Anderson was dead for the squad to put it up on the wall, but they didn't know Shepard was alive. Which means Shepard either wasn't found or somebody somehow thought it was so important to tell the Normandy that Anderson was dead but not that their commander was alive.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Dissatified in what way, though?  That they didn't have a happy reunion played out for them, or that they are honestly still confused about whether Shepard lives or not?

I won't speak for others, but I do not agree that the imagination should be the arbiter of whether Shepard is rescued and recovered.

If they intend for Shepard to live, then Shepard should be shown to live (not just to have survived the explosion). If they intend for Shepard to die, then Shepard should be shown to die (which they had no problem clarifying in every other ending).

If they don't want to show Shepard's future, that's fine. It's unnecessary for me. But they needed to go further as far as clarifying that Shepard was rescued from the rubble and went on to recover (more or less).

I was already unhappy with the lack of context in a lot of the slides, and I didn't like the way the memorial and breath scene were structured for the ending where Shepard survives.

It was never intended for all of us to believe that everyone on the citadel perished.  This was a symptom of the fact that the original endings were left highly ambiguous.  We the fans assumed that everyone on board died, just as we assumed that every system with a Mass Relay went supernova, though it was clearly not intended.  Hence the "context and clarity".  I wouldn't call that a "retcon" per se.

I will admit, the "Anderson" thing bugged me.  It somehow implies that they have been in contact with someone who would know for certain that he died, and if that is the case, then they would probably know for sure whether or not Shepard was alive.  This really has nothing to do with the breath scene, however. 

They purposefully show the LI hesitating to put up Shepard's plaque.  We see that the Citadel has been rebuilt, and we see Shepard's intact torso taking a breath.  I personally that is enough to assume that Shepard is found alive and will reunite with his/her crew.  It is certainly enough to decide that Shepard has survived the firing of the Crucible.  Why is it necessary then to explicitly spell out that Shepard is rescued from the rubble and lives a long, happy life?

[Iakus]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

One of the primary differences between the original ending and this ending is that there was no implication in the original cut that the Normandy crew was ever able to leave the Jungle Planet w/Two Moons ™.  Thus, there was never an implied reunion.  In the extended cut, we see LI smiling and Normandy taking off, thus implying reunion.  And for extra measure, the Normandy didn't use the Relay to travel, still inexplicably, to Junge Planet w/Two Moons ™.  So it's within standard FTL distance of Earth. 

All of these things are implied in the extended cut and not in the original cut.  The original cut never made it impossible, but I originally inferred that  Normandy crew was stranded in a neo-Luddite Eden.  Which made it cringe-worthy for me anyway.

Actually, pre EC I assumed the crew could get back to Earth via the Kodiak, which ahs FTL capability

And neither the original nor the EC address Shepard's condition.  There is no indication that Shepard will be able to extricate himself from the Citadel, or be found and receive adequate medical care in any reasonable period of time.  Shepard's story doesn't end with a bang, but a whimper.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

CINCTuchanka wrote...

One of the primary differences between the original ending and this ending is that there was no implication in the original cut that the Normandy crew was ever able to leave the Jungle Planet w/Two Moons ™.  Thus, there was never an implied reunion.  In the extended cut, we see LI smiling and Normandy taking off, thus implying reunion.  And for extra measure, the Normandy didn't use the Relay to travel, still inexplicably, to Junge Planet w/Two Moons ™.  So it's within standard FTL distance of Earth. 

All of these things are implied in the extended cut and not in the original cut.  The original cut never made it impossible, but I originally inferred that  Normandy crew was stranded in a neo-Luddite Eden.  Which made it cringe-worthy for me anyway.

Actually, pre EC I assumed the crew could get back to Earth via the Kodiak, which ahs FTL capability

And neither the original nor the EC address Shepard's condition.  There is no indication that Shepard will be able to extricate himself from the Citadel, or be found and receive adequate medical care in any reasonable period of time.  Shepard's story doesn't end with a bang, but a whimper.

*sigh* negative headcanoning.

If Shepard was gonna die shortly after the breath scene, why would Bioware include that scene at all? What's the narrative purpose of that scene if it's not suppose to imply that Shepard lives?

think people, think.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 juin 2012 - 04:26 .