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ArchDuck wrote...

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It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.

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ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.


How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
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This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.


No, you escaped a swarm of them by maneuvering through a debris field.

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no no...Captain Kirk didnt believe in the impossible situation.

you getting it all twisted!!

and the Refusal Ending suggests a conventional ending...but it doesnt say whether it was during Shepard's cycle or the one after....cuz that Lady/Asari-ish Stargazer says "those that came before us"

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.


Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.


The Codex is the word of god in the Mass Effect universe. You can not go against that. Read the previous page and then tell me that conventional victory is possible.

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ArchDuck wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.


Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.


Yeah, as if YOU own the rights to the game or its story.

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Endings with big explosions and such seem too cliche. I wouldn't want a Star Wars ending to Mass Effect 3.

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saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.


How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".


Wow resorting to childish insults? You are a sad petty man.

And by "conventional" I assume you mean "without the crucible"? Because, as has been pointed out else where, conventional battle was thrown out the window a long time ago. (Giant Thresher Maw anyone?)

Why does the fact that I would prefer a creative victory built from layers of in game material and resources instead of a push button victory bother you so much?

Why would having the option of this ending hurt you?

Modifié par ArchDuck, 30 juin 2012 - 05:00 .


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saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
Image IPB

This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.


No, you escaped a swarm of them by maneuvering through a debris field.

Were they or where they not stopped. Also bear in mind the normandy had absolutely no fighter support. A few fighters supporting the normandy would easily been able to defend themselves against that swarm and lets not forget this

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/GARDIAN

Occuli are not something to be that concerned about.

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saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.


How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

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saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.


Yeah, as if YOU own the rights to the game or its story.


When did I every say that?:blink:

You have anger issues.

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
Image IPB

This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
Image IPB

This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.


No, you escaped a swarm of them by maneuvering through a debris field.

Were they or where they not stopped. Also bear in mind the normandy had absolutely no fighter support. A few fighters supporting the normandy would easily been able to defend themselves against that swarm and lets not forget this

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/GARDIAN

Occuli are not something to be that concerned about.

Gardian lazer don't cover endless units. IT CAN'T COVER ENDLESS.

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Honestly, that's why I said nearly impossible......We are not any farther advanced technologically than the Protheans in the current Mass Effect world.

Look at a gun of a prothean and say that.

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're alluding to, I'm sorry.  Could you ellaborate please?  Knowledge is my only goal...


The Pulse Rifle was developed near the end of the prothean cycle and can regenerate its own ammo. We're still stuck with single-use heat sinks to disperse weapon heat. Not to mention the fact that the protheans also managed to make a one-way mass relay, while our cycle hasn't even managed THAT. We're FAR behind the protheans technologically speaking.

Modifié par Khallos, 30 juin 2012 - 05:00 .


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ArchDuck wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.


Yeah, as if YOU own the rights to the game or its story.


When did I every say that?:blink:

You have anger issues.


You hold one of the creators and owners of the series in contempt. How am I not supposed to believe that you hold a sense of self-entitlement?

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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.


How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

Says the person who think wecan beat something with endless troop and needs no resources.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juin 2012 - 05:05 .


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dreman9999 wrote...
Says the person who think wecan beat something with endless trup and needs no recourses.


Just quoting because the spelling is hilarious. Also I don't know what this means.

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There are at least 20,000 reapers, and that's assuming they only ever made 1 reaper each cycle. The oldest one is 1 billion years old, divide it by 50,000 and you have a very rough approximation of the reaper fleet size.

Good luck using your 85 dreadnoughts to take all of them out.

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saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.


The Codex is the word of god in the Mass Effect universe. You can not go against that. Read the previous page and then tell me that conventional victory is possible.


Except that it conflicts with itself on dozens of occasions... An example being that the SR2 can't enter the atmosphere of a planet.

Modifié par savionen, 30 juin 2012 - 05:04 .


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The Earth victory may have been possible if we fought them conventionally sure, but what after that? We would still have battles all across the galaxy, and by the time we are done wiping out the Reapers around and on Earth, the victory fleet would be exhausted.

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savionen wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.

Casey may say so but everything the writers and developers show in game says that it is possible. Word of God isn't everything.


The Codex is the word of god in the Mass Effect universe. You can not go against that. Read the previous page and then tell me that conventional victory is possible.


Except that it conflicts with itself on dozens of occasions... An example being that the SR2 can't enter the atmosphere of a planet.

Codex entry that says that please.

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saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.


Yeah, as if YOU own the rights to the game or its story.


When did I every say that?:blink:

You have anger issues.


You hold one of the creators and owners of the series in contempt. How am I not supposed to believe that you hold a sense of self-entitlement?


By being a rational thinking adult? So far you don't seem to be inclinded towards any of those things.

As to my "contempt"... well I will clarify my statement for you.
  • Casey Hudson is, and correct me if I am wrong, the person in charge (overall) of the Mass Effect game production.
  • Bioware and Casey himself have stated repeatedly that they do not plan on extending the endings or adding further endings to the game. (There is multiple sources  to back this up if you want to take a look yourself.)
  • Thus, there will be little to no chance of seeing an additional ending added unless a different person is put in charge.
  • So finally: Casey Hudson still involved = No new ending (especially not the one being discussed in this thread)
Ok was that easier for you to follow? Or should I clarify some more?

Modifié par ArchDuck, 30 juin 2012 - 05:10 .


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Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.


And that is the only reason.


How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.


At least with synthesis, I win.

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Anyone want to answer the part where the reapers vastly outnumber the regular fleets?