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[saracen16]

ArchDuck wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Oh I know, I am just saying we (as consumers) will never see such an ending as long as Casey is involved.

Yeah, as if YOU own the rights to the game or its story.

When did I every say that?

You have anger issues.

You hold one of the creators and owners of the series in contempt. How am I not supposed to believe that you hold a sense of self-entitlement?

By being a rational thinking adult? So far you don't seem to be inclinded towards any of those things.

For the sake of this debate, I'll shove aside your insult.

As to my "contempt"... well I will clarify my statement for you.

Casey Hudson is, and correct me if I am wrong, the person in charge (overall) of the Mass Effect game production.
Bioware and Casey himself have stated repeatedly that they do not plan on extending the endings or adding further endings to the game. (There is multiple sources  to back this up if you want to take a look yourself.)
Thus, there will be little to no chance of seeing an additional ending added unless a different person is put in charge.
So finally: Casey Hudson still involved = No new ending (especially not the one being discussed in this thread)

Ok was that easier for you to follow? Or should I clarify some more?

See, therein lies the issue: Casey Hudson is still the head of the team. He's just giving you the finger.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 


This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

That is correct, but there were at least 5 attacking the normandy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Word of Casey said "No. You can't."

And on the day Arrival was released, the Lord spoke and said "Let the Reapers travel at Ludicrous Speed!" And the Lord saw that they did and they were able to travel 100,000 light years to the Alpha Relay before they began their long trek from dark space and return to that spot in time for the ending of Mass Effect 2. And the Lord said "This is good, indeed, but if people want to do Arrival after Mass Effect 2 the Reapers will only travel at Ridiculous Speed." No longer shall the Reapers be hindered by the Laws set forth in the Mass Effect Universe.

And Casey said unto the Universe, "Let the leaders henceforth be dumb asses." And they were. But then Casey felt sorry for the players and gave them Kai Leng, the cereal ninja, to kick around.

[dreman9999]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 


This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

That is correct, but there were at least 5 attacking the normandy.

5 also is not a swarm.

[ArchDuck]

saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

At least with synthesis, I win.

You must be oh so much fun at dinner parties. Your random, angry and spiteful sounding statements must add so much to the conversation.

Modifié par ArchDuck, 30 juin 2012 - 05:14 .

[ArchDuck]

saracen16 wrote...

See, therein lies the issue: Casey Hudson is still the head of the team. He's just giving you the finger.

And I never said otherwise. Finally we agree on something.

[movieguyabw]

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The Word of Casey said "No. You can't."

And on the day Arrival was released, the Lord spoke and said "Let the Reapers travel at Ludicrous Speed!" And the Lord saw that they did and they were able to travel 100,000 light years to the Alpha Relay before they began their long trek from dark space and return to that spot in time for the ending of Mass Effect 2. And the Lord said "This is good, indeed, but if people want to do Arrival after Mass Effect 2 the Reapers will only travel at Ridiculous Speed." No longer shall the Reapers be hindered by the Laws set forth in the Mass Effect Universe.

And Casey said unto the Universe, "Let the leaders henceforth be dumb asses." And they were. But then Casey felt sorry for the players and gave them Kai Leng, the cereal ninja, to kick around.

I can't stop stabing him.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.

And that is the only reason.

How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

Says the person who think wecan beat something with endless troop and needs no resources.

Did I say that? Please post where I did. Anyway a conventional war would be costly with a lot of sacrifice but it is possible. In fact it should only be possible to take this route if you have full ems rating otherwise you lose. Plus conventional warfare is shown to be possible, the reject ending proves it. How else do you think the next cycle beat the reapers?

[dreman9999]

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

[saracen16]

ArchDuck wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

At least with synthesis, I win.

You must be oh so much fun at dinner parties. Your random, angry and spiteful sounding statements must add so much to the conversation.

We all wear masks online.

[RethenX]

dreman9999 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

The Reapers cut all communication before initiating a full scale
invasion. If I recall the Alliance defence council says something along
the lines that they cant establish contact to the colonies. Also, I
remember Vigil saying something about the protheans not being able to
communicate to their territories because of the blackout.

Modifié par RethenX, 30 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[dreman9999]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

It's not possible because Casey said so.

And that is the only reason.

How dare they write their own story and universe. But sure, if you say so. I guess the numerous codex entries and the lessons of what's been going on in the actual story that they wrote that point to the impossibility of conventional victory can be dismissed just because "I wanna win conventionally! I wanna! I wanna! I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANAAAA! (bawling like a spoiled, fat baby)".

What else would we get from someone who thinks synthesis is a good idea.

Says the person who think wecan beat something with endless troop and needs no resources.

Did I say that? Please post where I did. Anyway a conventional war would be costly with a lot of sacrifice but it is possible. In fact it should only be possible to take this route if you have full ems rating otherwise you lose. Plus conventional warfare is shown to be possible, the reject ending proves it. How else do you think the next cycle beat the reapers?

The fact that you think we can beat the reaper convetionally means you think that. The reapers can make unlimited ammout of husk forces via clones or huskafication of living beings. There husk forces are endless and they can always make more. You don't see that's the reason the reapers can't be beat conventionally?
Full ems, as stated in the game, is just the level of how well your forces can hold the reapers at bay. Holding at bay does not mean,"hey, we can beat them conventionally!" It means we can hold them at bay till you use what can defeat them.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juin 2012 - 05:25 .

[ArchDuck]

dreman9999 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

Unlimited? I am sure that must be a typo.:innocent:

You must have meant "How is it indoctrination to understand that limited forces>limited forces."

I mean Hackett must be right because if there is one thing history has taught me is that you should give up before you begin because an individually more powerful force can never be defeated in battle. No matter your tactics, terrain or other factors.

[ArchDuck]

saracen16 wrote...

We all wear masks online.

Mine is a puppy dog wearing glasses. Or sometimes a batman mask.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 


This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

That is correct, but there were at least 5 attacking the normandy.

5 also is not a swarm.

Occuli are annoying gnats, that is why you use something like a cluster missile. Yes I know there is no mention of such a weapon in the universe but mass effect does have the ML-77 missile launcher which I think we all know what that is capable of . If the races can build one of those I think they would be perfectly capable of building a warhead that has about 100 independant launching and tracking missiles inside of it. Occuli are not a problem.

[dreman9999]

ArchDuck wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

Unlimited? I am sure that must be a typo.:innocent:

You must have meant "How is it indoctrination to understand that limited forces>limited forces."

I mean Hackett must be right because if there is one thing history has taught me is that you should give up before you begin because an individually more powerful force can never be defeated in battle. No matter your tactics, terrain or other factors.

No...Let me be clear. You see that canibal...The reapers can clone that and make endless forces of them. Every husk they have they can clone and make endless ammounts of. This includes  the Oculus
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 
  

Which can take out ships.
With the husk forces it is 
unlimited vs limited.

Remeber, one of harbingers quotes is"Kill 1 and 100 takes it's place."

[dreman9999]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 


This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

That is correct, but there were at least 5 attacking the normandy.

5 also is not a swarm.

Occuli are annoying gnats, that is why you use something like a cluster missile. Yes I know there is no mention of such a weapon in the universe but mass effect does have the ML-77 missile launcher which I think we all know what that is capable of . If the races can build one of those I think they would be perfectly capable of building a warhead that has about 100 independant launching and tracking missiles inside of it. Occuli are not a problem.

If your fighting an endless ammount of them it's clear that cluster missiles will not stop all of them or close to all of them. When you out of missils and you see the your still facing endless swams of them, you find your self quite dead.

[movieguyabw]

dreman9999 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

We have the Reaper code.  A fetch quest involves finding it so Asari soldiers can decipher Reaper transmissions and preempt Reaper attack patterns.  EDI is based off Reaper code.  The Geth end up downloading it in order to acheive true AI status.  TIM found a way to control husks.

Take your scientists, and your AIs, and the data you steal from TIM, and create a virus to attack the Reaper code.  If you can't use it to shut down the Reapers, use it to block their transmission to the husks.  TIM and the fetch quest I mentioned implies this can be done.


Thanix cannons were specifically designed after the battle with Sovereign, for the purpose of attacking ships of that magnitude.  And the entire Turian fleet uses them.  Heck, the Normandy uses it.

Cains can kill a Reaper Destroyer in a  single shot.  Give your footsoldiers Cains instead of Grenade Launchers.

And for what is supposed to be the bulk of the Reaper army, there don't seem to be that many Reapers on Earth.

Without their husks (which would be disconnected from their control due to the virus I mentioned earlier), they no longer are an infinite army.  They are finite.  And their footsoldiers can be One-shotted by Cains on the ground, while their flagships are taken on in the sky, by the entire galactic armada.


Heck, at this point, the only thing they'd have going for them would be indoctrination...  Which, if they indoctrinated the military mind in charge of their enemy's attack strategy, then they probably have a pretty good shot.


Yeah, I stand by my statement.  Hackett is indoctrinated. 

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

  This is the 
Oculus[/b] 
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 


This make any assumtion of conventional victory bunk.
Why?
Because the reapers can make an endless ammount of them and they can dive into our strongest ships and destroy them form the inside out.
The reapers have been using this and much of there husk forces to wipe the floor with us.
Get it that unlimited forces will alway trump limited forces.

And I stopped a swarm of them with literally no casualties.

2 is not a swarm.

That is correct, but there were at least 5 attacking the normandy.

5 also is not a swarm.

Occuli are annoying gnats, that is why you use something like a cluster missile. Yes I know there is no mention of such a weapon in the universe but mass effect does have the ML-77 missile launcher which I think we all know what that is capable of . If the races can build one of those I think they would be perfectly capable of building a warhead that has about 100 independant launching and tracking missiles inside of it. Occuli are not a problem.

If your fighting an endless ammount of them it's clear that cluster missiles will not stop all of them or close to all of them. When you out of missils and you see the your still facing endless swams of them, you find your self quite dead.

The reapers are vast but they are not infinite and neither are their forces.

[ArchDuck]

dreman9999 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...
Unlimited? I am sure that must be a typo.:innocent:

You must have meant "How is it indoctrination to understand that limited forces>limited forces."

I mean Hackett must be right because if there is one thing history has taught me is that you should give up before you begin because an individually more powerful force can never be defeated in battle. No matter your tactics, terrain or other factors.

No...Let me be clear. You see that canibal...The reapers can clone that and make endless forces of them. Every husk they have they can clone and make endless ammounts of. This includes  the Oculus
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 

{image sniped}

Which can take out ships.
With the husk forces it is 
unlimited vs limited.

Remeber, one of harbingers quotes is"Kill 1 and 100 takes it's place."

Possibly you mean "virtually unlimited" or "easily replaceable"? Because unlimited is impossible.

And I can understand if you are annoyed by my insistance at clearing up a technicality. But my intention is not to harass or annoy but to show that it is not quite as one sided as it appears.

The Reaper minions are easily replaced, the Reapers themselves are replaced at a horrendously slow rate.

[Cecilia L]

The odds would be agianst a conventional victory. Luckily, you can fight like a Krogan and run like a leopard, but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard. Shepard kicks the ass of impossible odds at a daily basis.

It would be a costly victory. They would probably have to abandon Earth to the Reapers and attack them where they are not that many. Find lone Reapers, or small groups of them and put all allied fire power to use against them. Fight dirty. Show those bastards that organics are more resourceful than they think.

I fully support doing this with choices like in the suicide mission where a "everyone lives" scenario would require ridiculous EMS or be impossible.

[dreman9999]

ArchDuck wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ArchDuck wrote...
Unlimited? I am sure that must be a typo.:innocent:

You must have meant "How is it indoctrination to understand that limited forces>limited forces."

I mean Hackett must be right because if there is one thing history has taught me is that you should give up before you begin because an individually more powerful force can never be defeated in battle. No matter your tactics, terrain or other factors.

No...Let me be clear. You see that canibal...The reapers can clone that and make endless forces of them. Every husk they have they can clone and make endless ammounts of. This includes  the Oculus
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Oculus 

{image sniped}

Which can take out ships.
With the husk forces it is 
unlimited vs limited.

Remeber, one of harbingers quotes is"Kill 1 and 100 takes it's place."

Possibly you mean "virtually unlimited" or "easily replaceable"? Because unlimited is impossible.

And I can understand if you are annoyed by my insistance at clearing up a technicality. But my intention is not to harass or annoy but to show that it is not quite as one sided as it appears.

The Reaper minions are easily replaced, the Reapers themselves are replaced at a horrendously slow rate.

If you can show me a limit to the troops, which clearly is not shown, then you can say that. Reguardless, we on the other hand have clear limits that given time the reapers can over run. We can't win convertionally like that.

[savionen]

movieguyabw wrote...

We have the Reaper code.  A fetch quest involves finding it so Asari soldiers can decipher Reaper transmissions and preempt Reaper attack patterns.  EDI is based off Reaper code.  The Geth end up downloading it in order to acheive true AI status.  TIM found a way to control husks.

Take your scientists, and your AIs, and the data you steal from TIM, and create a virus to attack the Reaper code.  If you can't use it to shut down the Reapers, use it to block their transmission to the husks.  TIM and the fetch quest I mentioned implies this can be done.


Thanix cannons were specifically designed after the battle with Sovereign, for the purpose of attacking ships of that magnitude.  And the entire Turian fleet uses them.  Heck, the Normandy uses it.

Cains can kill a Reaper Destroyer in a  single shot.  Give your footsoldiers Cains instead of Grenade Launchers.

And for what is supposed to be the bulk of the Reaper army, there don't seem to be that many Reapers on Earth.

Without their husks (which would be disconnected from their control due to the virus I mentioned earlier), they no longer are an infinite army.  They are finite.  And their footsoldiers can be One-shotted by Cains on the ground, while their flagships are taken on in the sky, by the entire galactic armada.


Heck, at this point, the only thing they'd have going for them would be indoctrination...  Which, if they indoctrinated the military mind in charge of their enemy's attack strategy, then they probably have a pretty good shot.

Yeah, I stand by my statement.  Hackett is indoctrinated. 

Incoming response that Reapers have infinite spacecrafts even though a number is never determined/proven, etc, etc.

[dreman9999]

RethenX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, it's not.

Says the Reapers.

And Hackett.



Who wants to bet Hackett's indoctrinated?  I've personally thought so since the whole "Why haven't we heard from Hackett?!" line in the prologue.  

How is it indoctriantion to understand that unlimited forces>limited forces.

The Reapers cut all communication before initiating a full scale
invasion. If I recall the Alliance defence council says something along
the lines that they cant establish contact to the colonies. Also, I
remember Vigil saying something about the protheans not being able to
communicate to their territories because of the blackout.

What does that have to do with my point?