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[LinksOcarina]

hehehe...

Ever hear of fan edits?

That is what the indoctrination theory is, a fan edit. And the reason why BioWare is not putting the kibosh on this is because killing a fan edit will make people pissed off and loathe the company more.

Whats odd though is people are pissed off that the theory can still be real but not confirmed. That is called sour grapes. Simple as that.

But yeah, this a fan edit idea and nothing more. It's harmless and while a cool idea, has no more credence than the Squall is Dead theory.

[CoolioThane]

davishepard wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Why are you so butthurt about it mate? Just because you don't think it's true doesn't mean it isn't...or do you know all?

Actually, IT is not true. Really.

Prove it, sugar

[jijeebo]

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

[CoolioThane]

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

You don't know that for sure.

[davishepard]

CoolioThane wrote...

davishepard wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Why are you so butthurt about it mate? Just because you don't think it's true doesn't mean it isn't...or do you know all?

Actually, IT is not true. Really.

Prove it, sugar

I don't need to prove. Yet, none of the delusional believers can prove that is true. "EC will feature Shepard waking up and the real ending", they said. The EC is released and provide explanations to the plot holes of the original endings. Doesn't something appears off?

But no, the capacity to ignore the reality and keep believing in a delusion is very strong on IT'ers. Hope they are enjoying themselves.

Modifié par davishepard, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:18 .

[Anthropophobic]

davishepard wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

davishepard wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Why are you so butthurt about it mate? Just because you don't think it's true doesn't mean it isn't...or do you know all?

Actually, IT is not true. Really.

Prove it, sugar

I don't need to prove. Yet, none of the delusional believers can prove that is true. "EC will feature Shepard waking up and the real ending", they said. The EC is released and provide explanations to the plot holes of the original endings. Doesn't somethin appears of?

But no, the capacity to ignore the reality and keep believing in a delusion is very strong on IT'ers. Hope they are enjoying yourselves.

Nobody is saying that the indoctrination theory is totally definitely true--only that it might be true, which is a statement of fact. You're saying that it's totally definitely false, so the burden of proof is on you.

[davishepard]

Anthropophobic wrote...

Nobody is saying that the indoctrination theory is totally definitely true--only that it might be true, which is a statement of fact. You're saying that it's totally definitely false, so the burden of proof is on you.

I don't have any burden on me. This goes for the person who came up and those who believed in IT. Nothing happened as they predicted and they still believe in that nonsense. What does this tell?

Hiding behind the "IT might be true" will not make IT real, sorry. 

You are still free to make IT your headcannon, along with your friend belivers.

Modifié par davishepard, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[MegaSovereign]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I still think the Indoctrination Theory holds water and is plausible.

How unfortuante.

[Dougy Fresh]

Its call Indoctrination Theory, not Indoctrination Fact. IT still has strong claims. Most who support it know the possibility of it being false.

[MegaSovereign]

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

It's just a PR tactic. The endings are suppose to be taken at face value. They just didn't confirm/deny IT because they know that it has a strong following.

[jijeebo]

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

You don't know that for sure.

Tully said the EC was the definitive version of the endings and that they weren't doing any more DLC about them literally one day ago, so yeah... I do.

[AwesomeDudex64]

nullobject wrote...

The reason why should be pretty obvious:

The ITers are so "um, committed" that direct denial of IT might make them really mad, and cause them to stop being Bioware fans.

But throw them a few bones, and they'll do just what they currently are doing - continue claiming Bioware are genius writers and the "real" ending DLC ("greatest twist ending in gaming history") is on the way any day now.

Over time they will bargain themselves down to "IT is good headcanon that isn't completely contradicted by the endings we were given".

Mission accomplished - fans retained.

Exactly this.

[Tom Lehrer]

Anthropophobic wrote...

It's funny how, just a few months ago, this board was all over IT, totally convinced of its plausibility.

Now that the ending is a bit less painful, everyone who hasn't forgotten about all of the clues is a delusional conspiracy theorist.

The reason for the shift in the forums overall view on IT is because countless IT supporters have simply gone silent while those who opposed it stayed around.

[OdanUrr]

kleindropper wrote...

Call me crazy but I think non-IT'ers will be surprised in about 3 years. Either that or Bioware decided to shut down a franchise that was probably good for 3-6 new games and $1 billion in future sales.

I'm sorry but in 3 years I won't even care.

[dreamgazer]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

The reason for the shift in the forums overall view on IT is because countless IT supporters have simply gone silent while those who opposed it stayed around.

Or, they've taken the ideas of the "theory" and folded them into an interpretation. Which they can, and should. There's plenty of valid things to chew on.

What shouldn't be happening is the ridiculing and insulting. Hopefully that'll die out soon.

[GreyLycanTrope]

kleindropper wrote...

Call me crazy but I think non-IT'ers will be surprised in about 3 years. Either that or Bioware decided to shut down a franchise that was probably good for 3-6 new games and $1 billion in future sales.

Alright you're crazy

[CoolioThane]

jijeebo wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

You don't know that for sure.

Tully said the EC was the definitive version of the endings and that they weren't doing any more DLC about them literally one day ago, so yeah... I do.

Because Bioware and its employees have never lied? Mate, take your head out of the sand, not everything they say is true.

We will not change or add new endings they said...they lied

[jijeebo]

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

You don't know that for sure.

Tully said the EC was the definitive version of the endings and that they weren't doing any more DLC about them literally one day ago, so yeah... I do.

Because Bioware and its employees have never lied? Mate, take your head out of the sand, not everything they say is true.

We will not change or add new endings they said...they lied

I'd rather assume they are being truthful and expect nothing, rather than ignoring what they said, assuming it's a lie, and getting my hopes up for content that is never coming.

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

[CoolioThane]

jijeebo wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Bioware didn't bother explicitly stating that it was false... So it didn't die.

And since the EC is the only DLC about the endings, it never will.


Such is life.

You don't know that for sure.

Tully said the EC was the definitive version of the endings and that they weren't doing any more DLC about them literally one day ago, so yeah... I do.

Because Bioware and its employees have never lied? Mate, take your head out of the sand, not everything they say is true.

We will not change or add new endings they said...they lied

I'd rather assume they are being truthful and expect nothing, rather than ignoring what they said, assuming it's a lie, and getting my hopes up for content that is never coming.

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

Whereas we have hope the endings aren't as terrible as they seem because it's all part of a bigger picture. It's being optimistic in the series rather than giving up. In the end, if nothing is added at all, like you say, we still have the IT as plausible, because Bioware haven't denied it...so in our stories it happened, just like in yours the literal endings are your interpretation.

If, on the other hand, the IT turns out to be true, you look incredibly foolish and judgmental and dismissive. 

It's a win/win for us, well, a win/not-lose as if it's not confirmed, we can still canon it and just proved we had faith in Bioware. I'd rather be me than you

[jijeebo]

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'd rather assume they are being truthful and expect nothing, rather than ignoring what they said, assuming it's a lie, and getting my hopes up for content that is never coming.

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

Whereas we have hope the endings aren't as terrible as they seem because it's all part of a bigger picture. It's being optimistic in the series rather than giving up. In the end, if nothing is added at all, like you say, we still have the IT as plausible, because Bioware haven't denied it...so in our stories it happened, just like in yours the literal endings are your interpretation.

If, on the other hand, the IT turns out to be true, you look incredibly foolish and judgmental and dismissive. 

It's a win/win for us, well, a win/not-lose as if it's not confirmed, we can still canon it and just proved we had faith in Bioware. I'd rather be me than you

You assume that not believing IT means I have given up on Bioware and have no faith in them.


Maybe, just maybe... I don't hate the current endings and don't see the need to completely retcon them and replace them with something else? My optimism lies in the Leviathan DLC and whatever comes after that.

[Bill Casey]

jijeebo wrote...

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

"Crucible Has Been Destroyed" is still a separate "ending"...
It still happens if you walk up to a choice and then walk away...

[jijeebo]

Bill Casey wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

"Crucible Has Been Destroyed" is still a separate "ending"...
It still happens if you walk up to a choice and then walk away...

I'd still argue that they're essentially one and the same, with Refuse just being a more elaborate version of that message.

It would've been awesome if they'd replaced the Critical Mission Failure with SO BE IT, but they didn't. Perhaps an oversight, or perhaps they felt that shooting Star-Jar resulting in an actual "Now you have to reload from after the beam LOL." ending was enough trolling for one game.

Modifié par jijeebo, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:30 .

[CoolioThane]

jijeebo wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I'd rather assume they are being truthful and expect nothing, rather than ignoring what they said, assuming it's a lie, and getting my hopes up for content that is never coming.

And I'd also argue that Refuse isn't actually a new ending, in the original ending you could choose not to activate the Crucible and got "The Crucible has been destroyed.", only difference is now it is an official ending and has been "expanded and clarified".

Whereas we have hope the endings aren't as terrible as they seem because it's all part of a bigger picture. It's being optimistic in the series rather than giving up. In the end, if nothing is added at all, like you say, we still have the IT as plausible, because Bioware haven't denied it...so in our stories it happened, just like in yours the literal endings are your interpretation.

If, on the other hand, the IT turns out to be true, you look incredibly foolish and judgmental and dismissive. 

It's a win/win for us, well, a win/not-lose as if it's not confirmed, we can still canon it and just proved we had faith in Bioware. I'd rather be me than you

You assume that not believing IT means I have given up on Bioware and have no faith in them.


Maybe, just maybe... I don't hate the current endings and don't see the need to completely retcon them and replace them with something else? My optimism lies in the Leviathan DLC and whatever comes after that.

Sorry, I meant given up on the game itself! I guess that could indicate a lack of faith in Bioware, apologies for being vague!

The retcon is IT, imo. I think we'll find out on the real-life date that Shepard's beam started. If it was August 12th in the game (I can't remember) it will be August 12 irl? It's an awesome idea

[dublin omega 223]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dublin omega 223 wrote...

I still think the Indoctrination Theory holds water and is plausible.

How unfortuante.

Alot of my friends think the same way I do as do five of my nephews.

[Bornjagged]

Why are people still arguing about this? Is it because for some reason we need conflict in our lives? Who cares if someone chooses to believe in indoctrination THEORY or not. I happened to like the original ending but there were just to many errors for me not to notice. So i took comfort in the Indoctrination theory because it gave me some solace that the errors may have been made on pupose. The the extended cut comes out, does nothing to correct any of the original errors but does explain what happens afterwards very neatly and actually gave us some different endings not just a series of different coloured pretty lights. (May i just say as well bioware, top work on the extended endings)
I think that if there was some sort of explanation for all those "mistakes" during the last mission then the indoctrination theory will die very quickly without the loss of any fans. I think people are just holding on to it because for now its the only explanation there is for those flaws....
Either that or bioware have managed to indoctrinate themselves being around reaper story for too long and this is all just a massive convoluted cover up for something much larger