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[Adria Teksuni]

Internet Tough Guy Magazine. People feel safe behind the anonymity of the keyboard to dispense with social niceties and act in a manner they never would around flesh and blood folks.

[Magic Zarim]

Soretooth wrote...

This whole site was not designed properly from the git go. The Moderators complain that we are not following the rules. What rules? They break them all the time themselves!

Here's a potential solution: The fan posts whatever he/she wants. However, the post will not appear immediately. The post goes through a filter where a Moderator scans the title and content. The Moderator then places the post in the appropriate forum. It takes the decision out of the fan's hands and puts the decision squarely in the Moderator's hands, WHERE THE DECISION UTIMATELY LIES!! What's so hard about this?

If moderators would have to proofread every submission they'd run away screaming. Have you taken noticed of the post intensity during day time? Several posts each couple seconds! Some of these forums scroll so bloody fast..

What this forum really needs are simple spoiler tags: {spoiler}Text here is blacked out untill user clicks the blacked bar{/spoiler} with a firm rule not to put spoilers in the title.

It works as proven by other similar forums where spoiler sensitive info is discussed

[Adria Teksuni]

I do believe that the spoiler tags would definitely help!

[Zenon]

I thought this game was meant to be played by adults or at least people of mature age. Some posts here make me wonder who is playing this game... *shrug* one may expect a certain discipline and basic understanding and compliance to netiquette. No offense meant, but maybe I need to think again.



In the end some things can also accidentally be revealed like one moderator accidentally revealing an interesting detail about a companion... So just reminding these people or reporting such posts may help to turn some moderator's attention to it. If it becomes clear someone abuses an account the moderators can also easier banish them if the offending poster got reported repeatedly.

[maladictor2009]

I just feel like if people want a better game in "their" view.



Why not come up with the "how" and "why" before jumping to the "im not OP so something must be wrong".

[DragonRageGT]

maladictor2009 wrote...

people always go completely out of line on the forums, what is up with that. in the old days we didnt have forums for oure games we just enjoyed what was giving to us.

We still had some nice IRC #channels then, where we could slap ppl around with trouts and stuff... and get spoilers in PVT... boy, I miss those days... been a long while since I last used my mIRC! Wondering if anyone still is...

Modifié par RageGT, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[maladictor2009]

yeah mIRC was a totally cool program to bad it went out of style.

[FlintlockJazz]

I do have to say that the number of spoiler threads has actually diminished since launch, and the attitude of those who do make the mistake of posting spoilers has also improved considerable. 

I remember that just after launch I and many others were often getting attacked just for asking people not to post spoilers, getting told things like "If you didn't know that x was in it then you must be a retard!" and not just by the OPs posting the spoiler in the first place. Seems to have chilled out alot since then, and looks to be getting better imho.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 15 décembre 2009 - 11:09 .

[Adria Teksuni]

Zenon wrote...

I thought this game was meant to be played by adults or at least people of mature age. Some posts here make me wonder who is playing this game... *shrug* one may expect a certain discipline and basic understanding and compliance to netiquette. No offense meant, but maybe I need to think again.

After playing Halo on XBOX Live, I cannot be surprised by who is playing what games any longer, nor what sentiments they express.  You can be sure that a lot of kids are playing DA:O because they thought it looked cool and their parents bought it because they didn't care, were ignorant, etc.

Yes, there are a lot of mature teens and preteens out there, but too many of them are...well...dinky little weenieheads.

And FlintlockJazz (I love that name) a lot of the moderator tools were broken so they were unable to do a lot of what was needed by way of discipline.  The tools have been fixed, so now they can do their jobs.

[Kalcalan]

Zenon wrote...

I thought this game was meant to be played by adults or at least people of mature age. Some posts here make me wonder who is playing this game... *shrug* one may expect a certain discipline and basic understanding and compliance to netiquette.

It's clearly not the case unfortunately.

It's all to easy to dispense with basic notions like respect when you're hiding behind a screen name. Posting spoilers in a forum that is supposed to be spoiler free is utterly disrespectful.

[wanderon]

I think one of the things at the base of the issue is that a fairly large percentage of people who come to the forums to discuss the game are doing so specificly to seek out spoilers both major and minor.



How many people run out and grab the game guide or d/l a complete walkthrough before they even begin the game? What does No Spoilers mean to this group other than a hindrance to their experience here?



Many others (I suspect) find it great fun to come and brag about how to beat The Great Soandso by using their own brand of tactics/exploits and otherwise bask in the sun of their successes while feeling good about passing this monumentous information on to less glorius gamers than they.



Why would any of this crowd be much interested in how the NO Spoiler rules are set up or enforced?



It is not my intent to put anyone who may fall into these categories down these forums exist for people to discuss and enjoy the game as they will -



I am just suggesting that there is in fact a portion of the community to whom NO SPOILERS is not an issue and that fact will need to be taken into consideration if the community is to craft a policy and enforcement plan that will work.

[FlintlockJazz]

Adria Teksuni wrote...

And FlintlockJazz (I love that name) a lot of the moderator tools were broken so they were unable to do a lot of what was needed by way of discipline.  The tools have been fixed, so now they can do their jobs.

Cheers!   Combination of nickname and a defining weapon from one of my favourite eras for campaign settings (age of sail) which I randomly put together one day and realised that they worked well together.  :whistle:Knew the forum was broken but didn't realise that included the moderator's tools as well, explains alot.  The atmosphere has definitely improved either way, no longer feel a compunction to get overly-defensive whenever I post about anything anymore like I did in the early days due to the general tone of the forums that's for sure.

[Kevin Lynch]

I agree with all that my fellow mods said earlier, but this forum hasn't been declared some special SPOILER-FREE ZONE. We're telling people that they can't post spoilers here, we're moving spoilers out as we can, and we can/will bring the hammer down on those that frequently disobey the rules. However, there is some onus on the forum community to act appropriately to make it as friendly an area for everyone as possible. And while this is true, there has to be some caution taken on the part of any forum member when accessing a site dedicated to a game that you don't want to be spoiled on. This can be said for any product of a similar nature.



So remember, "No Spoilers Allowed" doesn't equate to "Spoiler-Free". I guess it needed to be said, since that's the main discussion, it seems.

[DragonRageGT]

There should be some kind of Warning to people with Game Not Registered yet about being able to see and post on Spoiler Section only after registering the game.

Not long ago, I could not register my game (still waiting my pre-order CE here) but I was already kinda regular here and I could not see the Official Campaign (Spoiler) Forum.

So I had to go to http://dragonage.bioware.com/ where I was listed as member since 2002 (same old BW database no doubt) for a few ones when I got stuck (I was playing the game nonetheless). But now that site doesn't exist anymore and will re-direct people here.

Just an idea.

Modifié par RageGT, 16 décembre 2009 - 01:47 .

[Kevin Lynch]

RageGT wrote...

There should be some kind of Warning to people with Game Not Registered yet about being able to see and post on Spoiler Section only after registering the game.

You mean this?

This forum is for fans of Dragon Age: Origins to actively discuss story
or other discussion elements that may spoil the game for other fans.
This forum is open to registered game owners. Please register your copy
of Dragon Age: Origins to post here

It's right in the forum description in the index.

[DragonRageGT]

Still, the whole Forum title wouldn't show to me until I registered the game. I had only the General discussion thread and the Tech Support.

I don't really remember it that well now, been a while considering the amount of time I spend in game and in here... not sure if creating an account only to check that would show if I'm correct... and there were some changes since then I presume. (working search function, manage characters, perhaps something in the display requirements too? Just logging out did not prevented me from seeing the forums.

EDIT: Perhaps it needs to be more in evidence too... it's very easy to miss Forum descriptions by negligence concerning small letters...

Modifié par RageGT, 16 décembre 2009 - 01:57 .

[Kevin Lynch]

Suggestions for forum improvements, which the web folks are keen to have, are probably best stacked in the site help forum (they'll be unlikely to see them here). Certainly, a more obvious method of informing users of which forums are accessible can't help but be...er, helpful.

[Tonya777]

I think the no spoilers allowed thing is bull**** , who really.... REALLY gives a flying **** if they read a spoiler? I know I don't

[Adria Teksuni]

Goodness, such intensity.

[Kevin Lynch]

Tonya777 wrote...

I think the no spoilers allowed thing is bull**** , who really.... REALLY gives a flying **** if they read a spoiler? I know I don't

I do.

Discovering the story as it unfolds, not to mention any of the other badzillion aspects of the game, is a huge part of playing for a lot of people. That it isn't for you is perfectly fine. That it is for others is also okay. Why can't we all...just...get along?

[TheBearMage]

eisberg77 wrote...

I have agree with the OP. They should make the General forum require game registration, and have the spoilers one not require registration. Most spoilers are given by people who have not registered the game.

Also agree with helpful information and spoiler information. Telling somewhere they can find unlimited elf root is a lot different then telling them that (KOTOR Spoiler). One is helpful information that doesn't ruin the storyline of the game, the other ruins the storyline.

Wow, and I was just starting to get into KOTOR. Thanks.

Modifié par Torias, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Torias]

I have edited out the KOTOR spoiler now....



The bioware website team have added a few really nice improvements to the moderation tools which make it more efficient for us to administrate threads, and finally got us the ability to ban trouble makers (before that we had to bluff them into behaving ;-) ).



One bit of advice is that if someone does post a spoiler thread here, don't reply to it. Send the original poster a very polite and friendly private message asking them to edit the spoilers out of their topic and to post it in the right spot.



If they don't play along nicely, then let the moderators know via a private message.



But above all, don't reply. That will help ensure the post drops off the first page as fast as possible.

[Lughsan35]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

Tonya777 wrote...

I think the no spoilers allowed thing is bull**** , who really.... REALLY gives a flying **** if they read a spoiler? I know I don't

I do.

Discovering the story as it unfolds, not to mention any of the other badzillion aspects of the game, is a huge part of playing for a lot of people. That it isn't for you is perfectly fine. That it is for others is also okay. Why can't we all...just...get along?

Because we are petty selfish humans.

[Godeshus]

 It is my opinion that the General discussion (NO SPOILERS ALLOWED) forum be merged with the spoilers forum. The viewer is coming to these forums armed with the foreknowledge that there may be some part of the game aspect that gets spoiled for them, regardless of the big caps.

It is deceptive when you enter a no spoilers forum, though, and the first couple threads you read spoil a part of the game you weren't expecting. If you are expecting spoilers to begin with you will be a little more careful about what you read. 

The potential customer can still come onto the forum and either search or post a thread about what he/she is looking for. It is then the poster's responsibility to specify that they do not want spoilers on their thread.
        
An example would be:
"how many hours of gameplay am I looking at (no spoilers please)?"

At that point, if someone blatantly disregards this they can be taken to task by a mod.

Policing these threads effectively, I can only imagine, must be a monumental undertaking. I would much rather the moderators put their attention to the mass amounts of flames and deliberate personal attacks we see across the entire board. In my opinion it is much more important to enforce respect and moral behavior, and this would be more effective if they didn't have to spend 70% of their time here worrying about who spoiled what.

While I agree that it sucks to have a plot aspect spoiled for you, all I can say is take responsibility for your own actions. Yes there are big capital letters stating this is a no spoilers forum. Assuming that the forum will be 100% spoiler free is naive, though.

Modifié par Godeshus, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:30 .

[Kalcalan]

Godeshus wrote...

I would much rather the moderators put
their attention to the mass amounts of flames and deliberate personal
attacks we see across the entire board. In my opinion it is much more
important to enforce respect and moral behavior, and this would be more
effective if they didn't have to spend 70% of their time here worrying
about who spoiled what.

Posting spoilers shows some lack of respect so while I agree with you I believe
it's the same thing. You don't respect other posters if you take it
upon yourself to assume that they won't mind spoilers that will ruin
their game experience in a part of the forum that is supposed to be
"safe" (if not spoiler free).

Kevin Lynch wrote...

Tonya777 wrote...

I
think the no spoilers allowed thing is bull**** , who really.... REALLY
gives a flying **** if they read a spoiler? I know I don't

I do. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Discovering
the story as it unfolds, not to mention any of the other badzillion
aspects of the game, is a huge part of playing for a lot of people.
That it isn't for you is perfectly fine. That it is for others is also
okay. Why can't we all...just...get along?

Getting along means playing by the rules and showing some respect to other posters and to the community as a whole.
I'm a smoker but I won't light a cigarette indoors when that may
inconvenience others because I respect their choice not to smoke.
Spoilers may not kill you but they will potentially ruin the game for
some people (and I include myself in that category). Following my logic
posting spoilers in a no spoilers part of the forum means that you don't respect the people who made the choice to avoid spoilers.

By the way, what is not fine is the language used by Tonya777, it shows immaturity and a complete disregard for others. I rest my case.