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[Vanilka]

@Todd23
Well, it did happen to me. I got my female Warden rather friendly with Leliana and all was well. Then we dealt with you-know-who and in the dialogue after, Leliana suddenly blurted out: "I love you!" I was shocked as I hadn't expected that in the slightest. Not that I would normally mind, but my character was already happily romancing someone else. I've got pretty much paranoid after that, ahem.

Also, after I found out Morrigan was interested in my male Warden, which I didn't initiate on purpose, I must admit I didn't break up with her. It just seemed stupid to break up with someone I didn't even flirt with. So I kept pretending not to know with my Warden, which seemed the most appropriate for the situation. Morrigan doesn't seem to show any signs until much later anyway. (Either that or I'm just incredibly dense when it comes to these things.) But it was only worse as her approval was getting up and I was forced to choose between her and Zevran in the end.  But what was I supposed to do? "Hey, Morrigan, remember the relationship we've never had? Well, I'm ending it. Have a nice day!"

Speaking of which, there's a mod that fixes a few dialogues not working properly in the game: http://dragonage.nex...ds.com/mods/928 It should deal with Leliana's ninjamancing of female Wardens to an extent.

Modifié par Vanilka of the Sword Coast, 13 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[Amirit]

There is a way to brake up with Alistair without approval drop. But you have to romance someone else for that. And wait for the scene when that someone else will force you to choose. Then all Alistair says is " X is a lucky one to have you".

[Vanilka]

@Amirit
In that case, the problem would be that Alistair actively pursues the romance. That would mean avoiding talking to him and going to the camp completely as some romance conversations trigger automatically when you enter the camp. Some even outside the camp if you talk to him with the right approval. Otherwise, you would have to refuse him and thus lose approval, if you don't wish to romance him.

Modifié par Vanilka of the Sword Coast, 13 août 2012 - 01:28 .

[Amirit]

True. I had it only once and by accident. Just know it's possible.

[The Great Pepper]

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runscript zz_addapproval Alistair +20

You're welcome.

[Jerrybnsn]

Fauxnormal wrote...

If you got Alistair to the point where he gave you the rose, you were choosing the very obviously flirt options. That is your own stupidity and your own fault. They're easy to avoid, and the people who say they're not confuse the hell out of me.

Oh oh.  You got to the Rose offer by being flirty?  We're you playing with Alistair's emotions?  He's very sensitive you know.

[Cerah]

To be fair, there are some lines that start a romance with Alistair that IMO aren't flirty at all.
Like this (not word for word, of course, but yeah):

Warden: "What changes you after the joining?"
Alistair: "You drink some blood, faint, [...]"
Warden: "No, I mean physically?"
Alistair: "You know, I asked Duncan the same question, and all I got was a 'You'll see.'"
Warden: "Hah, just try that line on me." (romance begins)
Alistair: "Oh, I could think of some much better ones for you."

I kind of think that Alistair has some "ninja" romance lines so you end up romancing him to have your heart broken later on depending on your choices, unless you do some rather ah, specific, stuff first. XD

[BouncyFrag]

At some point in one of my playthroughs (with a male warden) when ever I'd cycle through my companions Alistair would say something to the effect of "yes, my love." I had no idea how or why his disposition was as such since I hadn't initiated any bromance dialog options. Weird.

[Vanilka]

@Cerah
Actually, there are two versions of this conversation. One that starts the romance - you have the option to tell him something along the lines of: "Well, why don't you try then?" (which starts the romance) when he says he has better lines for you or you can either ignore it or tell him you're not interested. The other happens if the romance is already active and you can't react to it in any way.

I wouldn't really call it a "ninjamance" though. Usually it's pretty obvious when Alistair flirts with your character. Just listen to his voice or watch his expression. Especially his voice. He speaks in such a nice, naughty tone. Often gives you a dirty look, too. However, the problem might sometimes be, in my opinion, being able to tell when you flirt with him... or any other character, for that matter. Some lines can be interpreted in many ways.


@BouncyFrag
I think it's a bug of sorts. As far as I know, Alistair has no "bromance dialogue options", unfortunately. But it happens. I sometimes get it not only with Alistair but with Zevran as well. Despite them not being romanced. I've heard it simply happens. Don't worry too much about it.

Or... or... maybe he has a secret crush on your character.

[The Great Pepper]

One of [Romanced] Morrigan's first banters with Alistair alude to that, actually.

Seriously though, I'm so glad I have the dev console enabled. I love this game but there are some...quirks that the console is good at sorting out. Gaining rep with Morrigan so fast you can't unlock Shapechanger, for example, or gaining it so fast (via saving up gifts) with Leliana that you skip her personal quest dialog triggers. In fact, I've found that saving up gifts for big reputation jumps will confuse dialog triggers for most companions, Sten being a notable exception.

Modifié par The Great Pepper, 15 août 2012 - 09:51 .

[Arthur Cousland]

I've had Leliana ask me to choose between her and Morrigan, after I told her that I just wanted to be friends and was careful about being flirty. The girl just doesn't understand "no".

[Vanilka]

@The Great Pepper
Hah, that banter is so cute!  Uh, wait a second... I got the banter right after I entered Lothering, even before I accepted the stupid compliment from Morrigan, which I thought started the romance. If that's romanced Morrigan's banter, then when the heck did I get ninjamanced? There wasn't even an opportunity before. Or was it? Are you sure you have to be in a romance with her for that? If yes, then I'm clueless again. Eh, Fereldan women... 

I've found a simple solution for the approval problem. The first time I played the game, everything seemed to happen so fast. Especially the romance progressed too quickly for my tastes. Lately, I've simply stopped giving gifts almost completely and give them mostly for roleplay reasons now. Even then, some companions may develop massive approval if you do too much talking at once. That's why it might be better not to do all the available dialogues immediately. It's not as if they would run away. I'm not saying it will work for everyone but it definitely works for me. I think the number of gifts in the game is a little bit excessive if you decide to use all of them. It leads to "buying" your companions' friendship or love by burying them under a pile of gifts. If some people don't mind, that's fine. But I don't play that way anymore.

Modifié par Vanilka of the Sword Coast, 16 août 2012 - 11:45 .

[Arthur Cousland]

I only give companions their plot related gifts, and that's usually towards the end of the game when I've run out of ways to gain approval through normal means, usually with Wynne and Oghren.

While Morrigan and Sten's approval can be raised high very quickly through dialogue, with the other companions it takes much longer and seems to happen more naturally. With Leliana, it usually takes until just before then Landsmeet when she mentions that rich and decadent emotion that one hopelessly finds oneself stuck in, much like caramel pudding.

[AmandaTheMoogle]

Todd23 wrote...

A lot of bugged options were never patched, especially ones including romances. Probably because it's kinda' rare for someone to get a companion to the point of confessing without a want to romance them. I've blatantly told Leliana that I'm not interested, only to have her say I need to choose between her and Morrigan.

Yeah, same thing happened to me. Romanced Alistar, but had really high approval rating with Leliana (never flirted or anything). She said she loved me, I said we should stay friends. Then one minute she's asking about Al's, ehrm, performance, the next she's asking me to choose between them. Couldn't even respond "Wow, take a chill pill, I haven't even hugged you!".

[The Great Pepper]

Vanilka of the Sword Coast wrote...

@The Great Pepper
Hah, that banter is so cute!  Uh, wait a second... I got the banter right after I entered Lothering, even before I accepted the stupid compliment from Morrigan, which I thought started the romance. If that's romanced Morrigan's banter, then when the heck did I get ninjamanced? There wasn't even an opportunity before. Or was it? Are you sure you have to be in a romance with her for that? If yes, then I'm clueless again. Eh, Fereldan women... 

I've found a simple solution for the approval problem. The first time I played the game, everything seemed to happen so fast. Especially the romance progressed too quickly for my tastes. Lately, I've simply stopped giving gifts almost completely and give them mostly for roleplay reasons now. Even then, some companions may develop massive approval if you do too much talking at once. That's why it might be better not to do all the available dialogues immediately. It's not as if they would run away. I'm not saying it will work for everyone but it definitely works for me. I think the number of gifts in the game is a little bit excessive if you decide to use all of them. It leads to "buying" your companions' friendship or love by burying them under a pile of gifts. If some people don't mind, that's fine. But I don't play that way anymore.

I'll have to do some testing. Most of my approval testing comes from Morrigan & Leliana because, being the prototypical male gamer I am, I refused to be saddled with the "one or the other" option. Going from Flemmeth's hut to camp, before you ever step foot into Lothering, you can (through dialogue alone) acquire enough reputation with Morrigan to bed her. The trigger dialogue is the "shapeshifter" dialogue tree; if you have enough good vibes with her (it's okay, I giggled typing it) then you get the option to "tie her up and tickle her" which triggers romance flag. I'll have to see which dialogue triggers the Morrigan-Alistair banter, because Alistair clearly makes a "kissy face" reference.

(Downloading banternow is a must for testing this sort of thing. Conversely, "equal love" can REALLY screw with banter options, among my favorite being Leliana calling Zev out when he keeps hitting on her while she's in romance with the warden. Reminds me how much I freakin' love that girl. )

Arthur, oddly enough that caramel pudding remark I only got when romancing Leliana with my female warden. Which is an awesome mental image and induces jealousy amonst my male wardens.

My next playthrough will be a [solo nightmare] male warden trying to see if I can hold romance with Morrigan & Leliana, but leave with Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt through the portal. My understanding is Awakening defaults to / resets certain things but I'm hopeful I can make it work regardless.

Modifié par The Great Pepper, 18 août 2012 - 03:16 .

[Rapunzel Theirin]

Same happened to me when I played the first time, when I first got Dragon Age Origins, I had no clue there was romance in the game, I never played Roleplaying games before, so naturally I was choosing what I thought was friendly.And before I knew it, he was kissing and flirting lol, I found it sweet though and went with the flow, I just can't say no to his puppy dog eyes lol.