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[What a Succulent Ass]

No really, I'm quite curious to know.

Pre-release, most were convinced that it would be a device capable of disabling, weakening, or otherwise incapacitating the reapers and/or their shields. Completing the game proper (without the EC), however, reveals that it's nothing more than a very large plot device with a superfluous shell: at best, it is responsible for (inexplicably) "creating new possibilities" for the Catalyst (whatever that is) by "changing" it (for whatever that explanation is worth).

With the EC's "refusal" ending, rock falls and everyone dies, leaving the next generation of spacefaring species to create their own Crucible, the fact of which follow the immediate questions:

- If the Catalyst was "changed," why was a new Crucible even necessary?
- If a new Crucible wasn't necessary, whyTF did the Catalyst not simply transport someone it could bend to its will into the Citadel? It surely was enthused about the idea of "organic energy" (...) being spread across the galaxy, being that eugenics was evidently the reapers' end goal.
- If a new Crucible was necessary, does this mean the "change" only temporary?
- If a new Crucible was necessary and was built, exactly what choice did the next cycle take?

Obviously not all of these answers can be extrapolated from the brief "epilogue," but they are worthy questions to ask, because I quite feel like the Catalyst makes less sense than it did before.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Of course, there is

>"My solution won't work anymore."
>"N*GGA SHOT ME??? SO BE IT, THE CYCLE CONTINUES"
>Solution works!

Logic!

[KingZayd]

Can't help you there, I'm afraid.

[Samtheman63]

wat wat and wat

[jds1bio]

All I know is that if you were trying to make a cup of instant coffee when the crucible fired, you would have traveled backwards in time.

[Ryzaki]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Of course, there is

>"My solution won't work anymore."
>"N*GGA SHOT ME??? SO BE IT, THE CYCLE CONTINUES"
>Solution works!

Logic!

Yeah I don't get it either.

[Memnon]

The Crucible is explained in the EC to be nothing more than a glorified battery ... which made it a hundred times more unbelievably stupid ...

[dsprado956]

IT MAKES SNOW CONESSSSS....YAAAAYYYY

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's a giant battery, or the Citadel is the battery. F*ck it I don't know.

[fr33stylez]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Of course, there is

>"My solution won't work anymore."
>"N*GGA SHOT ME??? SO BE IT, THE CYCLE CONTINUES"
>Solution works!

Logic!

I don't even see why Shepard is needed in the Control and Destroy options. Why can't the Catalyst just activate those options itself? Does it really need a guy to shoot tubes in order to activte the Crucible? Really?

[Mcfly616]

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....


The Crucible is simply a "power source"

[Taboo]

Wait for it.

Wait for it.

It...STOPS the Reapers.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It either fails or succeeds with flying colors... quite literally.

[comrade gando]

your choices are space magic, artistic integrity, and speculation.

no I'm serious:
Synthesis: space magic
Control: Artistic integrity
Destroy: Speculation

or if you refuse then SO BE IT

[DocJill]

jds1bio wrote...

All I know is that if you were trying to make a cup of instant coffee when the crucible fired, you would have traveled backwards in time.

MASS EFFECT 4



But seriously.  The crucible, when joined with the catalyst, makes magic space energy that (you choose the destroy option) destroys the reapers, disables the mass relays, does not destroy non-reaper ships, chases the Normandy, and makes the Normandy crash land on a planet.   

[Jadebaby]

The crucible is their artistic integrity. It's why they can maintain it after retconning half the endings.

[Little Princess Peach]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....


The Crucible is simply a "power source"

Can you blame us half the stuff casper the emo ghost say's is a bunch of lies for all we know he lied about ti being a battry because he did not want shepard to know the truth

[Jadebaby]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

It either fails or succeeds with flying colors... quite literally.

 3:53AM and I just giggled really loudly.

Thank you, time for sleep.

[my Aim is True]

It's a lame plot device.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....

The Crucible is simply a "power source"

Nah, just me. Mostly because playing through the game just makes my head hurt (ORGANIC ENERGY, U MAD, SCIENCE?). The real problem isn't even what the Crucible is or its function, it's that its existence muddies the Catalyst's intentions even further. Even accepting as a power source, more questions follow:

- If the Crucible is just a power source, this implies (unless I missed something) the Citadel was built with the capability to alter DNA (???) and grant sapience (???) on a galactic scale using...organic energy (???).
- If it IS just a power source, exactly why did the reapers not build it themselves? They are infinitely better suited to the task technologically, and given that it interfaces with machines of their own creation, it is far more logical.
- If the Catalyst acknowledges that its solution "won't work anymore," again, why did it not just assist the next cycle in creating technoabominations instead of killing them? According to new dialogue, eugenics IS the AI's endgame.
- How the hell did the previous cycles built a battery tailored to a machine they didn't know existed with a function that really shouldn't? This one is old, admittedly.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 30 juin 2012 - 06:00 .

[Mcfly616]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....


The Crucible is simply a "power source"

Can you blame us half the stuff casper the emo ghost say's is a bunch of lies for all we know he lied about ti being a battry because he did not want shepard to know the truth

he's not lying.....his logic is faulty.....he believes everything he's saying to you.....his logic is just ****ed up.....just because he's honest doesn't mean he's correct.....


It's quite obvious that Bioware was trying to convey that while StarBrat is explaining every single detail in the EC

Modifié par Mcfly616, 30 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[AntiChri5]

All i know is that it is powered by Lyrium.

[Xamufam]

Random Jerkface wrote...

No really, I'm quite curious to know.

Pre-release, most were convinced that it would be a device capable of disabling, weakening, or otherwise incapacitating the reapers and/or their shields. Completing the game proper (without the EC), however, reveals that it's nothing more than a very large plot device with a superfluous shell: at best, it is responsible for (inexplicably) "creating new possibilities" for the Catalyst (whatever that is) by "changing" it (for whatever that explanation is worth).

With the EC's "refusal" ending, rock falls and everyone dies, leaving the next generation of spacefaring species to create their own Crucible, the fact of which follow the immediate questions:

- If the Catalyst was "changed," why was a new Crucible even necessary?
- If a new Crucible wasn't necessary, whyTF did the Catalyst not simply transport someone it could bend to its will into the Citadel? It surely was enthused about the idea of "organic energy" (...) being spread across the galaxy, being that eugenics was evidently the reapers' end goal.
- If a new Crucible was necessary, does this mean the "change" only temporary?
- If a new Crucible was necessary and was built, exactly what choice did the next cycle take?

Obviously not all of these answers can be extrapolated from the brief "epilogue," but they are worthy questions to ask, because I quite feel like the Catalyst makes less sense than it did before.

They tried to copy the dakara superweapon from stargate but failed
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Troxa, 30 juin 2012 - 06:09 .

[Wulfram]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Of course, there is

>"My solution won't work anymore."
>"N*GGA SHOT ME??? SO BE IT, THE CYCLE CONTINUES"
>Solution works!

Logic!

Solution fails next cycle.

Of course, that it's specifically the next cycle is irrelevant.  The point is that it's now clear it'll fail eventually, that it's not a permanent solution.

[mad825]

Just in case you didn't get the message.

I could go on how this doesn't fit into ME lore but this is now getting boring, tiresome and stupid so instead I'm going to criticise the writers. It would seem that they are now bored with ME and couldn't be asked so basically ME3 was to get the story over and done with so that they can move on to newer and interesting things.

Modifié par mad825, 30 juin 2012 - 06:08 .