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[What a Succulent Ass]

@Wulfram: Exactly. By the Catalyst's own admission, then, it should be doing all it can to find a permanent solution now (and not going on another killing spree) rather than risk the same or similar scenario (its goal IS to "preserve" life, is it not?). Instead, it puts its thumbs up its arse, refuses to act, and reacts like a petulant child when it takes a round to its empty, virtual head.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 30 juin 2012 - 06:16 .

[Teneroth]

According to the star brat the crucible is an elaborate generator that unlocks capabilities in the citadel that weren't possible before. Apparently the starbrat was pissed because his creators didn't follow his 'bring your power source to work day' idea.

My theory is that we could of just pulled the Destiny's Ascension along side the citadel with a pair of jumper cable and gotten the same result.

[Rahmiel]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....

The Crucible is simply a "power source"

Nah, just me. Mostly because playing through the game just makes my head hurt (ORGANIC ENERGY, U MAD, SCIENCE?). The real problem isn't even what the Crucible is or its function, it's that its existence muddies the Catalyst's intentions even further. Even accepting as a power source, more questions follow:

- If the Crucible is just a power source, this implies (unless I missed something) the Citadel was built with the capability to alter DNA (???) and grant sapience (???) on a galactic scale using...organic energy (???).
- If it IS just a power source, exactly why did the reapers not build it themselves? They are infinitely better suited to the task technologically, and given that it interfaces with machines of their own creation, it is far more logical.
- If the Catalyst acknowledges that its solution "won't work anymore," again, why did it not just assist the next cycle in creating technoabominations instead of killing them? According to new dialogue, eugenics IS the AI's endgame.
- How the hell did the previous cycles built a battery tailored to a machine they didn't know existed with a function that really shouldn't? This one is old, admittedly.

Sovereign did say you could not fathom them or their intentions!  I don't know really.

All we do know, is that the reapers are far more technologically advanced than our imaginations.  With the combined knowledge of countless civilisations before us.  How does it work?  I don't think it's too important.  I mean.. how does a current through element zero actually work?  What is element zero made of?  I assume it doesn't contain protons because it's 0, but.. at the same time.. everything is made of up protons, no?  Besides smaller particles, but talking about matter and solids/elements.  So if you're willing to buy into eezo, why not this?

I can agree with you that I dislike the whole.. "the crucible has changed me, my solution will not work any longer."  Then you refuse/shoot the catalyst and suddenly the old solution is good again.  I mean, you could explain it as "you are obviously not ready" but.. it's just that the catalyst said "my solution will no longer work" is what's really nagging me about that refuse ending.  Perhaps changing the catalyst dialogue was just too expensive so it doesn't really fit in with the added refuse ending.

As for the previous cycles building the crucible or having plans for it.. perhaps this is something that was passed down from the original race that constructed the relays/citadel and were turned into the first reaper?  And various beacons carried this information down through the years, and it evolved to the point where we as humans could build it.

And the reapers wouldn't need to build it themselves.  The reapers are just tools of the catalyst.  And the catalyst had the solution already.  I must say, with the new EC I actually felt some sadness for the reapers.  Knowing they're just tools and nothing more.  Like fire.  Makes me pity them.  Makes me want to pick the synthesize ending so the knowledge of all those preserved races/species doesn't die.  But then I think.. **** the reapers.  And I destroy them all.  We'll deal with the rise of synthetics when it happens.

[Mcfly616]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....

The Crucible is simply a "power source"

Nah, just me. Mostly because playing through the game just makes my head hurt (ORGANIC ENERGY, U MAD, SCIENCE?). The real problem isn't even what the Crucible is or its function, it's that its existence muddies the Catalyst's intentions even further. Even accepting as a power source, more questions follow:

- If the Crucible is just a power source, this implies (unless I missed something) the Citadel was built with the capability to alter DNA (???) and grant sapience (???) on a galactic scale using...organic energy (???).
- If it IS just a power source, exactly why did the reapers not build it themselves? They are infinitely better suited to the task technologically, and given that it interfaces with machines of their own creation, it is far more logical.
- If the Catalyst acknowledges that its solution "won't work anymore," again, why did it not just assist the next cycle in creating technoabominations instead of killing them? According to new dialogue, eugenics IS the AI's endgame.
- How the hell did the previous cycles built a battery tailored to a machine they didn't know existed with a function that really shouldn't? This one is old, admittedly.

you're trying to break everything down to a scientific level and have it explained? Have you even watched any number of classic sci fi shows or movies? Please.....explain to me the "Force"...or how Ra's little healing pool in Stargate worked.....

Some things don't need explaining....its called suspension of disbelief.....which the entire Sci Fi genre relies heavily on.....the Catalyst explains the origins and purposes of himself, the Reapers and the Crucible.....he explains why he's even helping you.....he explains why conventional victory is not a viable option.....he also explains each choice(whilst some Sci Fi space magic).....nonetheless the EC did the impossible for me....they made sense of the endings without implementing the IT and without completely scrapping the StarBrat

[Traim Eisenblut]

The crucible started out as a bad and obvious plot device and ended as a prime example of bad writing and broken narrative coherence.

[XxDarkTimexX]

I still believe its a reaper trap

[Flidget]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

I still believe its a reaper trap

I still can't believe none of the cast believed it's a Reaper Trap.

Where they thinking "third time lucky!" or something?

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mcfly616 wrote...

YO, PLEASE DO NOT TROT OUT THIS OLD SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF BULLSH*T. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST VERY TIRESOME.

WHEN WRITING A STORY OR CREATING A UNIVERSE FOR ANY PIECE OF FICTION, YOU CREATE A FRAME OF REFERENCE AND A SET OF RULES BY WHICH IT ABIDES. IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT "WILLING SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF" FACTORS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR EEZO TO EXIST. THIS WE KNOW. HOWEVER, AS IT IS THE FOUNDATION THE SERIES IS BUILT UPON, WE CAN ACCEPT ITS PRESENCE WITHIN THE STORY, WHICH FOR ITS OWN PART, GOES THROUGH GREAT PAINS TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE. CONVERSELY, WE HAVE NO REFERENCE FOR "ORGANIC ENERGY," CREATION OF "NEW" (???) DNA AND THE ALTERATION OF EVERY BEING ON A GALACTIC SCALE, OR THE GRANTING OF "SAPIENCE" (WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE CANNOT QUANTIFY IRL, AND WHOSE ME DEFINITION IS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED BY THE ENDING). THE SYNTHESIS CHOICE--AND NOW--EC EPILOGUE JUMP HEADFIRST INTO THE METAPHYSICAL WITH NO WARNING OR JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

CAPS.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Seriously, EDI's line about being 'alive" had my jimmies rustlin'.

[shodiswe]

It provides enough power for the choice to be transmitted across the whole galaxy. The citadel does the work.

[OblivionDawn]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I feel like people played through the EC and didn't listen to a single new word the Catalyst said....

The Crucible is simply a "power source"

- If the Crucible is just a power source, this implies (unless I missed something) the Citadel was built with the capability to alter DNA (???) and grant sapience (???) on a galactic scale using...organic energy (???).

THAT is the question you should be asking.

The fact that the Crucible gives power to previously non-functional parts of the Citadel is easy enough to understand.

The real question is WHY there are handles, a breakable "in-case-of-Reapers" glass tube, and a synthesi...sizer, already on the Citadel.

[What a Succulent Ass]

I am asking that question.

I also wonder how the Crucible could possibly generate enough energy for synthesis. Assuming it's even possible, I can't even intuit the astronomical amount of power needed for such a feat.

The galaxy's last, best hope.

[Mcfly616]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

YO, PLEASE DO NOT TROT OUT THIS OLD SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF BULLSH*T. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST VERY TIRESOME.

WHEN WRITING A STORY OR CREATING A UNIVERSE FOR ANY PIECE OF FICTION, YOU CREATE A FRAME OF REFERENCE AND A SET OF RULES BY WHICH IT ABIDES. IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT "WILLING SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF" FACTORS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR EEZO TO EXIST. THIS WE KNOW. HOWEVER, AS IT IS THE FOUNDATION THE SERIES IS BUILT UPON, WE CAN ACCEPT ITS PRESENCE WITHIN THE STORY, WHICH FOR ITS OWN PART, GOES THROUGH GREAT PAINS TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE. CONVERSELY, WE HAVE NO REFERENCE FOR "ORGANIC ENERGY," CREATION OF "NEW" (???) DNA AND THE ALTERATION OF EVERY BEING ON A GALACTIC SCALE, OR THE GRANTING OF "SAPIENCE" (WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE CANNOT QUANTIFY IRL, AND WHOSE ME DEFINITION IS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED BY THE ENDING). THE SYNTHESIS CHOICE--AND NOW--EC EPILOGUE JUMP HEADFIRST INTO THE METAPHYSICAL WITH NO WARNING OR JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

CAPS.

SO WHAT'S THE "FORCE, AGAIN???!!!! LOLOLOLOL BAHAHA

caps troll.....nice

[Teneroth]

Random Jerkface wrote...

-snip'd-

I'm telling you, couple of jumper cables, pull a couple of the biggest ships we have, hook them up to the citadel and rev the engines. 

Edit to add: so basically this is the space hillbilly way of ending the series. Infact.. that's my new head canon for who made the crucible in the first place. 

"Well hol' on der Billeh! Looki dis. Seems da citadel just needs a jump."

"Ain't dat sumthin, ima pull mah truck along side. Yall get yer jumpa cablis out-"

"Dem darn reapas trashed yer Ford Billeh, we gotta make us a new un!"

Modifié par Teneroth, 30 juin 2012 - 08:11 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mcfly616 wrote...

SO WHAT'S THE "FORCE, AGAIN???!!!!

Do you really not understand narrative at all, or are you just being wilfully ignorant?

[What a Succulent Ass]

By the way, the force is Midichlorians.

Lucasface.jpg

[Jadebaby]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

YO, PLEASE DO NOT TROT OUT THIS OLD SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF BULLSH*T. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST VERY TIRESOME.

WHEN WRITING A STORY OR CREATING A UNIVERSE FOR ANY PIECE OF FICTION, YOU CREATE A FRAME OF REFERENCE AND A SET OF RULES BY WHICH IT ABIDES. IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT "WILLING SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF" FACTORS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR EEZO TO EXIST. THIS WE KNOW. HOWEVER, AS IT IS THE FOUNDATION THE SERIES IS BUILT UPON, WE CAN ACCEPT ITS PRESENCE WITHIN THE STORY, WHICH FOR ITS OWN PART, GOES THROUGH GREAT PAINS TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE. CONVERSELY, WE HAVE NO REFERENCE FOR "ORGANIC ENERGY," CREATION OF "NEW" (???) DNA AND THE ALTERATION OF EVERY BEING ON A GALACTIC SCALE, OR THE GRANTING OF "SAPIENCE" (WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE CANNOT QUANTIFY IRL, AND WHOSE ME DEFINITION IS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED BY THE ENDING). THE SYNTHESIS CHOICE--AND NOW--EC EPILOGUE JUMP HEADFIRST INTO THE METAPHYSICAL WITH NO WARNING OR JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

CAPS.

SO WHAT'S THE "FORCE, AGAIN???!!!! LOLOLOLOL BAHAHA

caps troll.....nice

Eezo = Mass Effect
Force = Star Wars

Funny how you just resort to calling him a troll. How about a rebuttal?

[kiyomizu]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The crucible is their artistic integrity. It's why they can maintain it after retconning half the endings.

[capn233]

Crucible supplies energy to the Citadel and retunes the dark energy waveguides to frequencies that interact with midichlorians. Depending on the exact frequency shift in the visible electromagnetic range of the dark energy pulse wave, it causes disturbances in the force that either destroy all synthetic life, mind trick the Reapers, or link organic and synthetic together by restoring balance and harmony.

Modifié par capn233, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:46 .

[Arturia Pendragon]

Mac: "Hey, a zap of power turned Eric Cartman from a kid that couldn't curse into a curse lightning master in seconds. Couldn't that work for this Crucible thing?"

Warning: link is uncensored content from South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut. Do not click if you're easily offended by foul language.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:48 .

[Blacklash93]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I am asking that question.

I also wonder how the Crucible could possibly generate enough energy for synthesis. Assuming it's even possible, I can't even intuit the astronomical amount of power needed for such a feat.

It wasn't just the Crucible's power supply, though. It was every Mass Relay in existance which is what I'd classify as an astronomical amount of power.

It was really just the makeup of Shepard's person which is both organic and synthetic being replicated into everything in the galaxy via mass effect fields (now called Space Magic). The Catalyst refering to it as "organic energy" was sorry I'm going to say it... utterly retarded.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 It is basically just a device that lets out a giant pulse of energy.


Damn, because that's exactly what I'd written somewhere (before EC release), I can't find the post where I wrote that.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[MegaSovereign]

Link in the signature.

[o Ventus]

It's a war crime dispenser.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Random Jerkface wrote...

@Wulfram: Exactly. By the Catalyst's own admission, then, it should be doing all it can to find a permanent solution now (and not going on another killing spree) rather than risk the same or similar scenario (its goal IS to "preserve" life, is it not?). Instead, it puts its thumbs up its arse, refuses to act, and reacts like a petulant child when it takes a round to its empty, virtual head.

Not much it can do if the one and only organic who had the power to change things decides to go full-retard.